By continuing you agree to eChinacities's Privacy Policy .
Sign up with Google
Sign up with Facebook
Q: Is anybody else sick of the guy that keeps making new accounts about the teachers union?
This guy seems to pop up on sites all over the place, including here, advertising the China Foreign Teachers Union.
In the past, he has used the accounts Zip, Slinky and Pegasus (all banned), among a lot more I can't remember.
Now he is using the name Alienated.
What and why is so bad about it? Maybe we should have a Teachers Union too. Forgive my ignorance, I just don't know much about it.
GuilinRaf:
Problem is, unions are not allowed in China, especially one catering to foreigners.
After all, theoretically speaking, a Communist country already has protections for the workers, therefore at best a union would be redundant and at worst it could be construed as a tacit admission of failure.
Theoretically speaking.
Traveler:
He gives the false impression he can help people, when he only seems to be obsessed with one particular agent in Beijing, attacking websites that advertise for that agent. The so-called "facts and figures" appear to be fabricated, and only supported by his own articles on other websites.
ambivalentmace:
flooding an agent with many resumes and fake names and fake credential to clog up the system would be a much better way of getting even , perhaps he needs by devious revenge class for neophytes, but im expensive.
Nope. Couldn't care less. Most of the accounts on here barely make it into my peripherals.
I was unaware there were multiple accounts. Just assumed it was the same post over and over again.
Guess I haven't bothered to read them.
Is he a friend of yours that's why you care so much.... <3 awwwww...!
the accounting firms in shanghai have been approved for a union whidh is very bad news, so chinese accountants at the firm can have a union but directed by union government leaders so that they can cook the books at government orders or tell the auditor opinions and dirt on competitors of state run enterprises, the point being without a government ie corrupt official in bed with you , a union of any kind would not happen in china. china want let the pope pick a bishop in china , have foreigners form a union is way down the list of reforms to even dream of here.
I haven't really noticed any of these posts on the echinacities website myself really. Generally having a Teacher's Union in a country like China is probably a good idea although it is questionably legal and moral, with the country being supposedly 'communist'.
Not at all, Traveler. In fact, I'm all in favour of it.
I don't consider it a real 'union', except in the original meaning of the word - getting together for mutual benefit.
It's something we teachers desperately need here.
What is disappointing is that the accounts are being banned because... why?? Someone upsetting an apple cart? I've not yet noticed any offence, nor bullying, nor insult, nor 'abuse'... only a fairly detailed rant against a particular school in BJ... which is no worse than most other rants against any other schools.
GuilinRaf:
It would be the advertising AND the fact that unions are illegal in the PRC.
Traveler:
Part of this guy's agenda seems to be to close down eChinacities and a lot of other sites that allow one particular agent to advertise on them. The guy seems to be a little overly ambitious, and obsessed with this agent, not with actually helping anybody.
Shining_brow:
Yeah well.... I haven't noticed (but I've been off more than on, recently).
shutting down echina?? I did get an email about such a thing - not so much to 'shut down', but more 'change'... which I'd be all for (as indicated by a thread or 2 I've made).
Although, I'd also say, echina probably isn't the best place to be advertising
As for 'agendas'... nothing new there :) There are obviously many agents that need to be removed in one form or another.. otherwise, people wouldn't post 'advice' such as 'stay away from agents'... hey??? And, got to start somewhere :)
Phil798:
I happen to agree with Shining Brow and have to admit that about three months ago I almost joined the CFTU but decided against it. Not that I do not support what they are doing but because one day they will catch a corrupt official being an owner of a dishonest school or agency, and then what?
Also I am a new poster who uses a VPN service and I was twice wrongly blocked from posting here because I was probably using the same VPN service as another foreigner (one of over 500,000 in China that probably also uses a VPN). If people use the same city proxy of the same VPN they will wrongly appear to be posting from the same IP. This is an indisputable fact. When I wrote to admin asking why I was banned and asked to please consider the above explanation. I received no reply.
I also agree with Shining Brow who was personally attacked by Traveler at the other thread about the CFTU that an "apple cart" was surely upset when false accusations were made and people started digging into the background of the party who first made them and realized it was none other than "Traveler" himself who used his own blog as the "source" of his own new thread. The proof can be found at these three thread if anyone cares enough to read them.
http://craighillchinadailymail.blogspot.ca
It is my opinion that "Traveler" is personally losing money because of the CFTU because of his role as a teacher recruiter for people recently exposed as scammers by the CFTU on their web site. Traveler also has a long history of "down-voting" anyone who disagrees with him if anyone bothers to do a little research, or if that does not work, he will accuse everyone who disagrees with him as being the same person, as he will probably also attempt now, and then scream and bitch to admin to get them banned, as they did to BTW... and probably Fluid who supported the CFTU and challenged Traveler to document his claims with real proof and not just opinions. (The same fate probably awaits me too and if you see no further posts from me you will know that is the case)
It is bad enough that the Chinese government censors everything, but when an expat forum poster has to start taking screen prints just to prove they posted something, it is even more unethical than the government's editing. Those who read the above three links will get a crash course in "creative editing" and how I learned that "Traveler" is really Mr. C.H. - the "editor" of the blog that started the BS gossip with false accusations.
Traveler:
Now honestly, Shining. Look at the tactics this nut uses and his lack of rationality, along with the fact that he keeps getting banned on this and every other expat site around. Look at how many he accuses of being involved in a giant conspiracy against him.. And he constantly quotes you as his only supporter. Do you really think that enhances your own credibility on this or any other site?
Shining_brow:
T - ok... let me analyse this post - hopefully in an 'unbiased' way, in the same vein as I look over yours... is that ok??
First paragraph.. I can't really comment on - the individual is making a statement about their history and posting an opinion regarding something I've said on here previously.... opinions aren't really open to debate (unless one changes one's opinion in the midst of the argument, yet still takes the same stance).
Paragraph 2... again, can't comment on this due to the facts are completely unknown by me. However, on the surface, it would make sense!
Third paragraph... now we start getting meaty... (crap, it's a long sentence, with lots of different ideas...). Ok, was I 'personally attacked'... well, I'd say 'yes' (certainly, as much as you accused Expat.John of doing to you further down). Was an "apple cart" upset?? Probably... I certainly think so. But, supposition...
Were 'false accusations' made? Apparently! You have said that you aren't connected to this R.Tang or ChinaESL. So, yes, I'd put that down as a 'false accusation' (assuming that you didn't like about it). You have constantly posted that I'm one of the posters spamming CFTU.. yep - definite 'false accusation' (which, given this reply that I'm writing, does that now mean you've realised you were wrong?? If so, I'm still awaiting the apology!) False accusations about the CFTU website... I can't really comment on that - I don't have either an eidetic memory of the times I looked over their site, nor do I have copies of it.
Is the accusation that you're a mod on here false? Apparently!
Is it true that the original post on ChinaDailyMail that you linked to on the first ECC thread about CFTU being a scam (answers.echinacities.com/question/china-foreign-teachers-union-actually-chinese-run-operation?showid=129157) a 'false accusation'? NO! It is, indeed, true! You have (in various ways) admitted to this! (blogger sites... still not seeing them well.... so, not going to comment on them!)
Next paragraph... firstly, an opinion.. I can't really comment on the validity of it (although, it would make some sense to me... I've indicated I think your posts about this verge on 'vengeance'... and certainly that there's an emotional connection here! Are you losing money from this?? No idea! (yes, I would call for 'evidence' on this, but given that Phil has at least qualified this with "it is my opinion" (something which I noted you've never done on this topic!)
Do you have a "long history of down-voting anyone who doesn't agree with you"? Don't know... until we get to see who actually does the voting, we'll never know. However, I would actually agree with this as well... (Ie, I seriously doubt that 4 people actually give a stuff about this entire thread, enough to bother voting at all without having some sort of personal investment in it... and that precludes most of the ECC crowd!).
Do you "accuse everyone who disagrees with you as being the same person"? No. You haven't yet accused Expat.John... However, I do believe you have accused everyone else... certainly you've accused me! You have just accused Phil of being the person who "gets banned on this and every other expat site"... so, I'd say that's a pretty definite 'yes'.
Will you "scream and bitch to admin to get them banned as they did to BTW...". Well, I wouldn't use those words, exactly, but since you've made it a habit to post about everyone you consider to be a CFTU member who's just created a new account, and that they've been banned (or attacked - ie, Fluid's post about whinging but staying), I can understand the thought. Will admin listen? Hmmmm... I hope not! I'd like to think that as long as people stay within the rules of this forum, they're allowed to stay - regardless of their level of support for this 'union'.
Did Fluid as you to "document your claims with real proof and not just opinions" TBH, I don't recall... but I think so! And did you supply that? Pretty sure if the first is true, I'd say no, you didn't (after all, you still haven't after all the times I've asked for it!)
Will the same fate await Phil798? Apparently, yes! (I just tried to look at their account, and it's "blocked", the same way that deleted threads are...).
Last paragraph... First part of the first sentence is opinion (and not totally mad... I think most ppl on here aren't fond of the censorship).
Do we "need to take screenshots to prove we posted something"? Well, given that I've got a reply that lists a number of comments, and yet only a couple can be read, I'd say 'yes'! I did the same on the CDM website with a reply I posted (and screenshot!) Paranoia??? Hardly, when it's obvious that posts ARE being deleted! Is it "more unethical" than the Chinese government doing it? Hmmm... opinion again, but I think we'd all like to feel that we have some right to have our opinions heard (in a non-abusive way), and that we have the right to defend ourselves and the things we value when they are 'attacked'.
Last sentence... will people get a 'crash-course in creative editing" by reading your blog? I can't really comment on that... I don't know what was edited, and what wasn't! (although, I've read posts that have suggested this). Are you the person Mr.C.H, editor of CDM? Apparently... you certainly didn't deny it when I asked (when you denied other things from the same PM). Did you write the original blog that started the BS gossip with false accusations? Well, again, seems you are the author of that blog... whether it's "BS gossip with false accusations" remains to be seen...
Shining_brow:
Now then, let's analyse YOUR reply....
"look at the tactics this nut uses and lack of rationality"... ummm - not irrational at all! In fact, quite rational and logical! Good coherent sentence structure, connected paragraphs, follows logical premises, and even points out when something is an opinion versus 'fact'!
"He keeps getting banned..." looks like his prophecy came true. And, also looks like you DO accuse everyone who disagrees with you to be the same person! Not even remotely irrational (or nutty!).. unless you call the ability to tell the future a form of insanity...
"Look at how many he accuses of being involved in a giant conspiracy against him".. Ok, let's see... firstly, one may consider admin to be one of those accused, when he asks why he was banned, and admin chose not to reply (valid call, btw!) Next, you... yep! No qualms with that one either... third, admin again (given that Phil798 has been banned, I'd say that was a fair call too!). Fourth, Chinese government censoring.. well, we all know that's true! And, lastly, yourself again, this time in the role of editor of your own blog - CDM (again, good call!) So, to answer your call, the correct answer was '5', and all are legitimate. (maybe not 100% accurate, in the case of ECC admin, but 'legitimate' none-the-less!)
However, YOU seem to consider this a "giant conspiracy"... now who sounds 'irrational' and a 'nut'??
"..constantly quotes me as his only supporter". Not entirely true - after all, BTW, and Fluid were mentioned in this post. Possibly I get mentioned because I'm willing to rip your threads apart (without actually obviously defending the legitimacy of them), AND because I've been on here for quite a while. It would make some sense... especially since they're actually, you know, replying to my post!!!!
Fortunately, my credibility doesn't rest solely on this person's replies to my posts. Nor to his quoting of my posts. Not that I'm worried... after all, as I showed above, their response was fairly well reasoned and rational. Personally, I'd be far more worried about your 'credibility', given the obsession you have with all things anti-CFTU (and your questionable logic and critical reasoning skills).
Tarzan:
In my humble opinion there is clearly prejudice on this forum towards the CFTU, which apparently is not even allowed to defend themselves (banned and apparently no explanation was given). So this begs the question "WHY?" After doing some digging, I found the answer...
Most of the people who bash and trash the CFTU are recruiters agents, and judging from these links some of them like Traveler lurk on this forum pretending to be a teacher colleague. Quite clever.
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12147-beware-of-agents-recruiters-masquerading-as-esl-tefl-teachers-at-expat-esl-tefl-forums.html
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/04/12/too-many-agents-recruiters-now-posting-teachers-expat-forums
http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125
Also if you Google "Traveler, scam, China Daily Mail, China ESL" you will see WHY Traveler has been trying to smear the CFTU here at ECC. He is a recruiter for China ESL which is an unethical job agency blacklisted by the CFTU since 2010.
Traveler admitted to being a moderator for EchinaCities.com at this link here which is certainly "interesting" to say the least.
http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/
As for who the REAL users are on this web site that attack the CFTU, this blog entry by Craig aka "Traveler" is even more intriguing.
http://chinadailymail.com/2014/06/04/ccp-vilifies-echinacities-owner-george-xu-for-being-gay-on-his-own-website/
Now posting under the name sarahmplane.
sarahmplane:
Just so you know, I am not some alias used by the union guy you are having a vendetta against. I am actually someone trying to sort through all the crap on the internet to find a job in China. It would help if people like yourself would stop using mad power against these issues and just starting recommending companies and schools to work for. It is so frustrating for someone who wants to work in China, despite all the crap they read on the internet about working as a teacher in China, but can not find ONE good recommendation. Everyone seems to generalize or give ridiculous suggestions.
"Go look on (insert job posting site) and look through the jobs, if you get a good feeling about it, apply" doesn't sit well with me when other people post horror stories about being swindle out of wages or booted from the country for having an illegitimate working visa. On the other hand you get the all to helpful "run... run far away" which is really helpful considering I actually want to teach English in China and think I would be pretty damn good at it if I was given a chance. Why don't you suggest something helpful, or give a recommendation for contacting a SPECIFIC company or school before slandering someone new to these forums for not being sure what to believe with the plethora of crap on the internet!
bill8899:
sarah, for various reasons that I won't describe, it's obvious you're not looking for work but instead you are promoting an endeavor which, for various reasons is doomed to fail before it starts.
sarahmplane:
Bill,
For various reasons I think some of the people on here are not helpful and kinda ass holes! I am looking for work! I think it's crap that people like you are so unwilling to help the new people sort though all the unreliable information. Maybe instead of attacking me for being ignorant to the concepts that all you folks have already become aware of and clearly have more experience with, you can help me out a little! I am not sure what else I can ask for. Seriously, I guess being gullible to some crap on a website leaves me open for this shit?!
Shining_brow:
Well, Sarah, I did just see your post under that one with the guy wanting a job in Guangzhou, and you do seem to know all about it... and yes, I would agree with Traveler, that last bit was quite the ad for the CFTU...
But, I do agree - there does tend to be far more negative comments regarding schools than positive ones.. and that really needs to change (both in the bias for the commentary, and with the quality of the schools in China).
I posted on your main thread...
giadrosich:
I think Sara forgot to take her Valium today. Maybe for the week...
Now posting under the name Fluid
adminanswer:
Hi folks. I thought I'd point out that this user's IP address is the same as "BTW...", kjm", "magoo", "geezer" and "ChinaScamPatrol", and that they have been banned from the website for this reason. Carry on.
I think I could make a post titled "Anyone else sick of seeing the same person complain about the stupid teachers union over and over?" And I bet it wouldn't even be half as inane as these whiney little posts.
Traveler:
Fair enough. Though I am surprised at your personal attack against me, considering your previous posts criticising the union's operations. Not sure if you are now supporting the union or not. I don't, because I think it is dangerous, and I seek to warn newer expats (especially) about this "union."
Obviously there is a reason Admin has also branded their spamming practices as shady, and posted about deleting dozens of their spamming identities.
I make repeated posts to counter their own repeated attacks on this site, just as other posters highlight the union's PMs, also attacking this site. I also notice quite a lot of people complaining about Fluid (the latest identity) making yet another anti-foreigner post today.
Congratulations, Shining. Your following for your beloved union may have now increased to three - you, Silva and John. I am sure he will bring you more followers, as he is one of the most credible and respected posters on here.
Shining_brow:
You really do love making crap up, don't you T?? Admin has, (to the best of my knowledge) NEVER made any comments regarding 'shady'-ness!!! Only against people spamming the boards and having to delete them.. .quite a different thing!!!
Traveler:
Shining: Again, you deliberately insist that what was said, wasn't said. It is like trying to reason with a Chinese person, who will reject all evidence that points to them being wrong, and lie in a pathetic attempt to prove themselves right.
Admin said: "...these actions I consider very shady," yet you hold forth with the obvious lie that it was not said. The link to the comment is here:
Shining_brow:
Ah, thanks for the link... you are quite correct, and I apologise for my mistake! You did mention that the spamming and blatant promotion was considered by Admin to be 'shady'...
That is, obviously, different to the actual CFTU itself being shady.... at least, I'm capable of seeing a distinction. (if admin wishes to clarity this, I'm all ears.... not that it actually 'proves' one thing or another... it's just another uninformed opinion (unless, of course, admin has done some good research on the topic, or has reliable sources...))
Now, before John gets on here and roasts you, I'd just like to point out how egotistical it is to presume that if someone doesn't agree with you, then they must automatically be against you.... In this case, I'm fairly sure John isn't going to hop on saying this thing is all it's cracked up to be... he's just saying that he's sick of your going on about it! Have you never done critical thinking and logical reasoning?????
Traveler:
Shining: You're as much of a nut as the guy the keeps getting banned for using dozens of names. You, Icnif and Silva talk amongst each other. Everybody else has moved on from the CFTU except you three.
Tarzan:
In my humble opinion there is surely prejudice on this forum towards the CFTU, which apparently is not even allowed to defend themselves (banned and apparently no explanation was given). So this begs the question "WHY?" After doing some digging, I found the answer...
Most of the people who bash and trash the CFTU are recruiters agents, and judging from these links some of them like Traveler lurk on this forum pretending to be a teacher colleague. Quite clever.
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12147-beware-of-agents-recruiters-masquerading-as-esl-tefl-teachers-at-expat-esl-tefl-forums.html
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/04/12/too-many-agents-recruiters-now-posting-teachers-expat-forums
http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125
Also if you Google "Traveler, scam, China Daily Mail, China ESL" you will see WHY Traveler has been trying to smear the CFTU here at ECC. He is a recruiter for China ESL which is an unethical job agency blacklisted by the CFTU since 2010.
Traveler admitted to being a moderator for EchinaCities.com at this link here which is certainly "interesting" to say the least.
http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/
As for who the REAL users are on this web site that attack the CFTU, this blog entry by Craig aka "Traveler" is even more intriguing.
http://chinadailymail.com/2014/06/04/ccp-vilifies-echinacities-owner-george-xu-for-being-gay-on-his-own-website/
I don't 'do' unions. period. Therefore I don't read anything about unions, therefore I cannot say I've noticed anything about this union apart from what I'm reading here and I think a comment someone (perhaps this fluid) made on my previous post that said, "I have a problem with unions, period."
The reason "Traveler" is trying so hard to discredit the CFTU can be found at this link http://craighillchinadailymail.blogspot.ca which exposes him for who and what he really is - an ex prison guard from Australian who now earns a living recruiting teachers for the scammiest agent in China that was exposed by the CFTU and the old China Teachers Alliance, and China Scam Patrol. He apparently tries to legitimize himself by "writing" a blog that he uses to support his own threads here at ecc. And because it was proven he is also a mod here at ecc, I will take a screen print of this post so it does not get deleted like he has done to others in the past. If it happens again I will take this story to every blog in China that will listen. Traveler is traitor to every expat teaching in China from my point of view.
Amonk:
Can anyone explain to me why Chinese always mix up the name of a country and its people's nationality? It's just such a blatant thing...
Shining_brow:
NOT saying I agree or disagree with Phil's post, however..... given the rest of the language (and as a professional teacher who sees a hell of a lot of Chinese English...), I'd put that 'n' down to a typo (or change of thought for sentence construction...). The rest of the post is quite 'native-like'... no????
Boing:
This is Phil798 and I came back to make a follow-up comment and discovered I was banned even though I am posting from the Starbucks at Solana and not on anyone else's IP as admin has erroneously claimed. The censorship on this ECC forum is absolutely outrageous and people get banned just for disagreeing with mods and admin who are supposed to be unbiased.
Whenever people challenge Traveler or Admin, the same BS response comes back - you must all be the same people posting from the same IP. This is utter bullshit because almost every foreigner in China uses a VPN and maybe 10,000 of us use Astrill and another 10,000 use VPN express, and another 10,000 use Hot Spot, etc. So please stop trying discredit people by saying they are all using the same IP when in fact we are only using the same VPN service! Why was I banned for making a comment that was fully compliant with all the rules at this forum? Here is the real answer friends... http://www.tefl.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5805 The problem is not the CFTU but rather the scam agents who are allowed to advertise here at ECC! Let's stop beating around the bush! Traveler collects commissions from China ESL and his posts as "Chaofan" at the Beijinger.com prove it. End of story.
Tarzan:
In my humble opinion their is prejudice on this forum towards the CFTU, which apparently is not even allowed to defend themselves (banned and apparently no explanation was given). So this begs the question "WHY?" After doing some digging, I found the answer...
Most of the people who bash and trash the CFTU are recruiters agents, and judging from these links some of them like Traveler lurk on this forum pretending to be a teacher colleague. Quite clever.
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12147-beware-of-agents-recruiters-masquerading-as-esl-tefl-teachers-at-expat-esl-tefl-forums.html
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/04/12/too-many-agents-recruiters-now-posting-teachers-expat-forums
http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125
Also if you Google "Traveler, scam, China Daily Mail, China ESL" you will see WHY Traveler has been trying to smear the CFTU here at ECC. He is a recruiter for China ESL which an unethical agency blacklisted by the CFTU since 2010.
Traveler admitted to being a moderator for EchinaCities.com at this link here which is certainly "interesting" to say the least.
http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/
As for who the REAL users are on this web site that attack the CFTU, this blog entry by Craig aka "Traveler" is even more intriguing.
http://chinadailymail.com/2014/06/04/ccp-vilifies-echinacities-owner-george-xu-for-being-gay-on-his-own-website/
Not that this comes as much of a surprise to anyone at this point, but the above user's IP address matches previously flagged users associated with CFTU and China Scam Patrol.
