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Q: is 17000rmb a good wage to live in panyu with family including child schooling?

32 weeks 23 hours ago in  Lifestyle - China

 
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wouldn't bring a family, especially with children to China to work.

they would most likely not be able to communicate with the other children in the class and be subject to bullying from the children and harassment from the parents/grandparents of the other children.

 

17000 per month is no compensation for the trauma and emotional damage inflicted on a child used to another education system when subjected to chinese 'education'.

 

if you are looking for 'adventure' in your life, don't drag a family into it as well.

maybe just indulge in an ;extreme sport' at home.

is your spouse also going to be working in the same school?

if not working it will suck for him/her unless they are already Chinese or fluent in Chinese.

if your spouse will also be working, then your child/children will be at the mercy of the 19th century mindset for out-of-school care, as you would probably have to fork-out for an ayi.

 

and if the 'Panyu' you refer to is in Guangzhou, then 17,000 per month is pathetic for a family to live on.

 

bringing non-chinese children to China when a parent has to work there should be classed as child abuse IMO

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Is accomodation included as well as the schooling?

 

How many kids do you have?

 

You'll get by but it's not a huge salary. Though depends whether you eat out a lot or cook for yourselves. 

 

 

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wouldn't bring a family, especially with children to China to work.

they would most likely not be able to communicate with the other children in the class and be subject to bullying from the children and harassment from the parents/grandparents of the other children.

 

17000 per month is no compensation for the trauma and emotional damage inflicted on a child used to another education system when subjected to chinese 'education'.

 

if you are looking for 'adventure' in your life, don't drag a family into it as well.

maybe just indulge in an ;extreme sport' at home.

is your spouse also going to be working in the same school?

if not working it will suck for him/her unless they are already Chinese or fluent in Chinese.

if your spouse will also be working, then your child/children will be at the mercy of the 19th century mindset for out-of-school care, as you would probably have to fork-out for an ayi.

 

and if the 'Panyu' you refer to is in Guangzhou, then 17,000 per month is pathetic for a family to live on.

 

bringing non-chinese children to China when a parent has to work there should be classed as child abuse IMO

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Y17,000 plus 1 or 2 part time jobs will get you by, you should find away to make enough to pay your rent and bills by using Part time and try each month to save your whole salary, this is key to saving, and only use your whole salary 2 times a year during summer and winter school breaks so you can have some family fun. I just worry about the taxes after they tax that 17,000.

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People knock me for saying this but only you can answer that question. Each person is an individual. I don't know your lifestyle, your wife's life style or whether or not your wife will be working, the age and number of your kids. 

Where you're coming from plays a big part in what your expenses will be in China also . Add to the fact that you'll need to be ready to move when working in China. Chinese companies routinely screw over their employees and when your visa is tied to that company, you can't really settle. 

Be a grown up, sit down with your wife over coffee and plan everything out . And remember to plan for emergencies. Hospitals in China charge upfront and will try to screw you also. (Ask any expat who's had to take their kid to the doctor here)

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I have to agree with Blondie... I wouldn't raise a kid here in China.

 

It is just completely unsuitable to raise a foreign child here. 

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First thing first Panyu is probably the worst part of Guangzhou (or maybe Baiyun is, hard to decide), it's not really the city anymore but it isn't a beautiful countryside, most of it is made of sprawling industrial areas and poor districts for the people who can't afford to live in the city.

 

The local population is at >90% made of poorly educated or uneducated migrant workers with extremely rude manners and near to zero hygiene standards, they spit and urinate in public, they shower once a month and they will not hesitate to touch your kids with their dirty hands (think of a homeless on crack touching your kids back home, except they aren't homeless or on drugs here, but same if not worse hygiene standards).

 

There are some "enclaves" of civilization within Panyu such as Clifford Estates where you can live within the community with supermarkets, malls, hospitals, schools, etc... and never get out to other parts of Panyu, most of the Foreigners in Panyu actually live in those enclaves, if you are going to live there or in something similar then it's okay, elsewhere in Panyu I wouldn't recommend.

 

Now 17k is very very tight for a family, it may pass as a single person. You need to realize that while locals live on 2-3k a month, you can't do so. Why? Because Chinese people are used to live with very little comfort and to eat rice with veggies on a daily basis, you can't and don't want to do that, and you don't want to put your kids through that.

 

As a Foreigner, if you come from the West, expect to pay 3 times as much as you did back home to keep your lifestyle in China. Imported stuff is usually very expensive, especially imported foodstuff. Expect to be cheated, just because (you are a Foreigner), by unscrupulous people at any given opportunity, you will pay more than the locals for the same things if you don't pay attention. Some of them have even made a specialty of it, they know where the Foreigners live and hang out, they are ready to scam you, be it taxis or vendors.

 

One good thing with Panyu is you can expect your rent to be cheap, maybe 3-4k for a large 120-150sqm apartment in one of the enclaves, mostly because it's in the middle of nowhere, which will ultimately be compensated by the money spent on regular trips to Guangzhou just to keep your sanity.

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17k is hard if rent and schooling is not included.

 

17k - 4k Tax = 13k net

 

13k - 5k rent = 8k

 

8k - 3k living = 5k

 

5k - 1k utilities etc. = 4k

 

so you would maybe have 4k left per month if you dont buy anything like clothes etc.

not much to save.

 

My advise: 17k is only ok if rent and health insurance and schooling is included. Schooling obviously the most important because it can be up to 20k per month. But as the saving is as little as 4k you should also consider hospitals and doctors for you kid(Drunk.

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