expatlife26:

no but he is breaking rules. Lets say I start another website and constantly link to it, I would be breaking the rules by promoting my website or business. Just like those guys you see every now and then selling magic services. Regardless of what the site content is it's still spamming. And I think there is reason enough to think this guy is a serious con artist.

If he was just a troll or something I wouldn't care. This is the type of guy who calls up old people pretending to be their grandchildren needing money.

RiriRiri:

He doesn't care too much about getting answers. He knows he'll get them anyway because not everyone here is keeping track. Understandably.

He is not trolling, he is building search engine reputation with second/third/fourth layer linking, making up stories, alarming yet believable enough and diversifying sources, using Yahoo, genuine expat forums, eChinacities, OpenSalon, whatnot. It's a good way to rank up in Google without rising suspicion. Actually the best way to go is to continue calling his bullshit at every post he makes. Then people have a greater chance to find out by reading us and not get scammed.

expatlife26:

exactly, this isn't a troll doing it for the lolz it's a criminal seeking to make a scam look legitimate with a network of websites and blog posts.

nothing he says is for our benefit. The standard of proof is a real person with a credible past who says "I am a member" But that person doesn't exist.

He can't convince us, but he can make the debate look 2-sided to people who don't know better.

He's got this shtick down pat.

Someone asks about joining? Oh it's totally secret you have to do 100 volunteer hours before anyone will talk to you.

Someone doesn't believe in it? They're a recruiter trying to spread lies! And here's a link to a post where he says anyone who doesn't buy it is a recruiter who spreads lies to prove it!

Someone says it's a scam? "Well we don't sell anything" Right, like I said that's not proof. Tons of shady extortion you could be doing.

Someone calls you out for posting CFTU links? "Oh well it's not ME that's bringing up the CFTU now is it??!?" Yeah, because to the person coming from google they don't know that pretty much all you do is post CFTU links.

Someone is interested in learning more? Then you're not even a member! You tried to join but there were too many volunteer hours!! But please send your email to this addresss and someone will be right in touch with you!! So you're a NOT a member but you obsess about it to the point of posting links constantly?

sm90:

I don't even know what this CFTU is, as everytime it gets mentioned, everyone gets really mysterious instead of just telling everyone what it is. Even now, I do not get from any of these posts what this scam is.

expatlife26:

SM90,

It's a fake volunteer/advocacy group for foreign teachers in China.

It claims to have 1000s of members, none of whom have a name or a face and to meet with govt. officials to advise on policy.

When you do a search for it, you find suspected links to other scams. 

So, you have extremely far-fetched organization combined with suspected links to other scams as well as constant spam and naked SEO techniques.

I explained exactly why I think it is extremely suspect in the OP.

Now do you understand? Or are you almost still in the dark?

sm90:

I get what you are saying it is and I get your accusations but I don't get anything else surrounding it.

I just am confused because everyone keeps accusing me of being a part of it, even though all I have ever said about it is 'wtf is it and what is this conspiracy', as you have done again. Or maybe you were just cleverly punning, sarcasm is hard to get online.

But cheers for your explanation.

RiriRiri:

I remember expressing some doubts about you right after you arrived, but obviously I have been to hasty. My apologizes.

expatlife26:

There's no conspiracy it's just one asshole who runs a couple fraud websites or maybe a guy and his partner I dunno.

My hunch is that he is either a recruiter himself and wants to down his competition, or he charges money to stay off the blacklists. So at best it's shady business practice at worst extortion.

By posting links constantly he makes his sites pop up higher in google rankings. By posting comments on different accounts he makes it look like there is a lot of members of a legitimate group, therefore giving it credibility to someone who stumbles on it from a web search.

Very simple.

RiriRiri:

I may have a hunch about what they're up to, but I'll wait to be sure and have evidence to say more.

sm90:

Apologies accepted RiriRiri, no worries.

Shining_brow:

SM90 - to actually answer your question:

The Chinese Foreign Teachers Union is an 'organisation' (alleged) that 'looks after' its members (and some guests) by trying to protect their interests through publishing information about bad recruiters, agents and schools. They also provide 'advice' to their members when things go bad, or before it goes bad - by offering information (which we can get without them, TBH!! - ie, don't go through a recruiter/agent,  don't work on any visa except Z, if you have a problem - contact SAFEA, etc).

They've made claims regarding their powers and abilities, and publish 'reports'.

All of the above is on their website.

How much is true... just ask around :p

Almost:

You even fabricate quotes ExpatLife26:  When the hell did I ever say this that you allege in your OP???  Give a link doorknob.

Almost: "But how can we be a scam we don't sell anything"

Also, I am not an IT expert, but I think anyone who hosts with "Go Daddy" will probably all show up with Phoenix, Arizona addresses because that is where Go Daddy has there servers. 

Now I understand fully why Traveler resigned his Moderator position with ECC.

No need to ban me doorknob, I will find the door on my own.  You have zero ethics to knowingly bring teachers to work in China illegally thinking the odds are in their favor they won't get popped and deported.

Almost:

Expatlife26 recruits people to come work in China illegally on L visas knowing damn well that long after he gets paid his fee, the teacher could get arrested, thrown in jail, and then deported.

THIS IS MY MESSAGE NOTHING MORE OR LESS.  It is a message that has nothing to do with the CFTU doorknob.  Former ECC Moderator "Traveler" explained exactly who ExpatLife26 is, and everyone should visit Traveler's real blog at China Daily Mail and read his comments about the paid users here at ECC, two of whom are teacher recruiters. And if you have a beef with the CFTU, take it up with them not me.  Once again, I leave you with these links, none of which have anything to do with the CFTU:

http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12147-beware-of-agents-recruiters-masquerading-as-esl-tefl-teachers-at-expat-esl-tefl-forums.html

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/04/12/too-many-agents-recruiters-now-posting-teachers-expat-forums

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125

http://www.esl-jhttp://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523obs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523

These links and former ECC Moderator "Traveler" explain exactly why Expatlife is so damn upset.  Here is what Traveler says:  http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/

DrMonkey:

Just for the sake of completeness

http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org

Creation Data: August 26, 2012

Expiration Date: August 27, 2014

Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com

Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com

Registrant Street: 14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309

Registrant City: Scottsdale

Registrant State/Province: Arizona

Registrant Postal Code: 85260
Registrant Country: United States

expatlife26:

And again, why would a normal person constantly link to these blogs and organizations that no one else talks about?

Everyone who talks about the CFTU...pretty much only talks about the CFTU. Nobody just mentions going to a meeting, it's either all CFTU all the time or sensible skepticism.

Almost once sent me a PM, when I first made a joke about the CFTU being a bunch of fanatics. He said "i'm not a member because there are too many volunteer hours" or something like that.

This was months ago.

I replied, "i'm a member I go to every meeting, why do you post all our links if you think the volunteer commitment is too serious?" You know, like saying join up or STFU don't act like you represent us if you won't put in your hours.

Silence. This guy is so obsessed with the CFTU, but he doesn't give a member the time of day. I followed up a couple times too. Nothing.

This guy knew right away as soon as I said I was a member that I was full of shit. Because there are no members.

mike695ca:

That list is interesting. And when i read it, i only thought one thing. For months Hulk was telling everyone he lives in Scottsdale Arizona.....

expatlife26:

i actually don't think that location means anything to be honest, that's probably just where a big server farm hosting outfit is based.

Scottsdales one of the most expensive places in the US, a lot of people retire there. It's hot but zero humidity so pretty pleasant.

expatlife26:

yeah scottsdale is where godaddy is located. So even though that supports my accusation it's meaningless

Almost:

And as I told you many times, ExpatLife is the one who keeps bringing up the CFTU - not me. I do not represent the CFTU nor have I put any links to them. If I wanted to promote them I would do so very directly so don't put words in my mouth. I speak for me and only myself. You can assume anything you like, the bottom line is that Expatlife26 recruits people to come work in China illegally on L visas knowing damn well that long after he gets paid his fee, the teacher could get arrested, thrown in jail, and then deported.

THIS IS MY MESSAGE NOTHING MORE OR LESS.  It is a message that has nothing to do with the CFTU doorknob.  Former ECC Moderator "Traveler" explained exactly who ExpatLife26 is, and everyone should visit Traveler's real blog at China Daily Mail and read his comments about the paid users here at ECC, two of whom are teacher recruiters. And if you have a beef with the CFTU, take it up with them not me.  Once again, I leave you with these links, none of which have anything to do with the CFTU:

http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12147-beware-of-agents-recruiters-masquerading-as-esl-tefl-teachers-at-expat-esl-tefl-forums.html

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/04/12/too-many-agents-recruiters-now-posting-teachers-expat-forums

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125

http://www.esl-jhttp://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523obs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523

These links and former ECC Moderator "Traveler" explain exactly why Expatlife is so damn upset.  Here is what Traveler says:  http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/

Almost:

You even fabricate quotes ExpatLife26:  When the hell did I ever say this that you allege in your OP???  Give a link doorknob.

Almost: "But how can we be a scam we don't sell anything"

Also, I am not an IT expert, but I think anyone who hosts with "Go Daddy" will probably all show up with Phoenix, Arizona addresses because that is where Go Daddy has their servers. 

Now I understand fully why Traveler resigned his Moderator position with ECC.

No need to ban me doorknob, I will find the door on my own.  You have zero ethics to knowingly bring teachers to work in China illegally thinking the odds are in their favor they won't get popped and deported.

expatlife26:

wait but didn't you accuse us of being traveller accounts?

I'm confused.

Either way, no i'm not a recruiter asshole. I'm not even involved with education in the least and anybody who has been on this site can vouch that I've had a consistent personality/background the whole time i've been here. Unlike you.

This is just your game you know? You post a bunch of links to noncredible forum posts, claim you're not a CFTU member etc. We outlined all of this! You are a criminal! Stop it!

RiriRiri:

Almost,

The only reason you are not claiming to be CFTU anymore is because we already busted all your previous accounts, and that you have no chance at doing direct promotion ever again.

So now, what you do is posting indirect links, to unverified posts, blogs, Yahoo questions and else, links that carry more links that eventually end up to your CFTU bullshit, hoping to grab innocent readers into your scam.

This is your strategy. And now you are trying to slander, make noise trying to bury everything.

No one buys your BS. No one. And we will make damn sure that you can't post here without a disclaimer about what is going on.

Almost:

Once again you fabricate:  When and where did I say you were "Traveler"?  I said you you were one of the people he described in his China Daily Mail post at this link when he talk about "paid users" - ECC staffers protecting or promoting an agenda http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523 (The second post in this thread is what I am referring to). 

DrMonkey:

@Almost China Daily Mail is the blog of one man with a serious case of paranoia. He says a lot of things with *ZERO* evidence going for it. According to this guy, I'm supposed to be a sock-puppet too.

Almost:

No, Dr. Monkey, I never accused you of anything sir, and certainly not of being a "sock puppet".  From now on I am just going to avoid discussing anything that is not the subject of an OP since some users on this forum will endlessly twist words and even fabricate quotes. I have to go to work now.  Catch up with you all later.

expatlife26:

And you're still posting direct links to the CFTU website. 

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/how-necessary-it-get-tefl-or-tesol-certificate-teach-english?&showid=230901#answer230901

Right there bunch of stupid links to BS sites like Chinascambusters and the CFTU homepage. 

You're doing that same BS I said you'd do. "I'm not the one talking about the CFTU!" 

yeah not here specifically but you do it constantly that's why everyone on this thread is against you. We know what your deal is.

expatlife26:

we did it! our grassroots anti-scam campaign worked. Thanks everybody for pitching in. Might actually have some peace for a while

iWolf:

lol.....I wish I was a recruiter and then maybe wouldn't have to work my ass off everyday and post asinine rubbish on this site. I could sit back and watch the big bucks roll in.

It appears he goes to a great effort for nothing. Does Craig have yet another personality? Attack himself to lend credibility??

Almost:

You are an ass and can't even read. I never suggested i-wolf was a recruiter.  I suggested that YOU were the recruiter.  And as I told you many times, YOU are the one who keeps bringing up the CFTU - not me. If I wanted to promote them I would do so very directly so don't put words in my mouth. I speak for me and only myself. You can assume anything you like, the bottom line is that YOU recruit people to come work in China illegally on L visas knowing damn well that long after you get paid your fee, the teacher could get arrested, thrown in jail, and the deported.  THIS IS MY MESSAGE NOTHING MORE OR LESS.  It is a message that has nothing to do with the CFTU doorknob.  Former ECC Moderator "Traveler" explained exactly who you are, and everyone should visit Traveler's real blog at China Daily Mail and read his comments about the paid users here at ECC, two of whom are teacher recruiters. And if you have a beef with the CFTU, take it up with them not me. I DO NOT REPRESENT THE CFTU you moron.

expatlife26:

Well again that's because you post links to it constantly which I addressed in the OP. That's just your standard defense mechanism.

You can say that on this particular thread because you haven't done it here. Because you aren't talking to us, just saying shit out of context for the guy stumbling on this from google.

Everyone on this thread knows that you're full of shit almost, that's why every single post you make is downvoted to hell. 

It's not because we're all recruiters, even if you do post links saying anyone who criticizes the CFTU is a recruiter! 

If that's an acceptable standard of proof than all CFTU members have been castrated, including Bobby Bolles

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/recruiter-scam-alert-have-you-been-victim

expatlife26:

haha that's funny dude. 

maybe you saw my satirical posts. Claims were made about how All dogs go to heaven...if those dogs have TEFLs that is

I was just having fun copying their style as best I could...but then making a completely absurd claims that make them look like absolute morons. 

expatlife26:

oh yeah and how members get booted and castrated if they use profanity.

Those damn recruiters going around shaving curse words into the hair of helpless CFTU members!

DrMonkey:

Necroposting and posting new questions takes time, give him time

expatlife26:

haha yeah and those 3 downvotes were all within 5 minus of posting. you know he's gotta try to bury this. Expect a flurry of necroposts and new asinine questions.

Hopefully we can figure out his other accounts.

I know Head_coach is one. Cause again it was a far-fetched organization (claiming to offer jobs) that was only talked about on that CFTU open salon page, which is a dead giveaway.

my goal with this is just to lay everything out in one place we can link to in the future when he posts CFTU stuff. We can't all be recruiters, right?

ironman510:

Ask that after you take a look at the freedom of speech in Hong Kong. What a mess.

DrMonkey:

He is saying that this guy used multiple accounts to prop-up a scam. If you dig in the post from the identifiers mentioned, you will see a pattern. Denouncing a scammer is against freedom of expression ?

laowaigentleman:

Hong Kong is not subject to the same laws as the mainland.

It's a disaster there at the moment. I feel very sorry for the Hong Kong people.

expatlife26:

Laowai what does hk have to do with laws here. This is about calling out a scammer.

laowaigentleman:

I know. I agree with you too. Nice work catching him. I am just being a little flippant, that's all. 

expatlife26:

Thanks I appreciate that. I dont think its a wumao though. Its an american con artist. N

coineineagh:

i gathered that, but he'll still be selling his CFTU info on to chinese gov't or employers, hence the red guard snitch comparison.

Almost:

ExpatLife26 is a teacher recruiter identified quite well at these links and he probably got many teachers arrested, jailed, and deported:

http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12147-beware-of-agents-recruiters-masquerading-as-esl-tefl-teachers-at-expat-esl-tefl-forums.html

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/04/12/too-many-agents-recruiters-now-posting-teachers-expat-forums

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125

http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/

expatlife26:

I think coineineagh has a good idea who I am. Because unlike you I have a consistent personality and background across all my posts and we've been talking for about a year now.

I mean shit that doesn't prove positive i'm not a recruiter but I'd like to think I have a credible backstory. I even wrote what almost amounted to an eBook about who I am and where I came from which I know a lot of people on this forum read. Including coineineagh.

More important I don't make any outrageous claims. I make no representation that "expatlife26" is anything but text on a screen. Someone asks a question in good faith i'll try to answer it and give some advice if I can. Take it or leave it.

What's bullshit about the CFTU scam is that it makes itself out to be something trustworthy...an appeal to authority. Yet has nothing to back it up. No names, no faces, no history. Just big talk and hostility on forums. Anyone who doesn't believe is a dirty recruiter!

I knew you were going to play the "Oh but I didn't bring up the CFTU, you did!" card. Which is why I mentioned it in the OP. EVERYONE responding to this thread but you knows you're the CFTU guy because you constantly post links to it!

Just because you haven't in this thread doesn't mean you haven't done it elsewhere, which is why everyone on this thread is against you. Are we all recruiters?

It's not like this is just my opinion, I think we have a pretty good reason to be extremely suspicious of you. And you've confirmed our worst fears by making up some bullshit about how you talked to Traveller or something. We all know that's not true.

Almost:

Look Dude (ExpatLife26) stop twisting my words to suit your argument!  I did NOT accuse everyone here of being a recruiter. I spoke about 2 people and YOU are one of them. Got it?  And for the record "Traveler" himself admitted to being Craig the editor ot the China Daily Mail and also admitted being one of a handful of Moderators here at ECC.  If you don't believe this send him an email at contact@chinadailymail.com and ask him what he meant when he wrote this article a while back:  http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/  I now quote from his article:

"The worst part is that many of the genuine expats have gone through a kind of “Stockholm Syndrome.” They have been bullied and even banned by eChinacities, and only allowed to continue posting there if they toe the party line. While many left, or refused to apologise and give false praise to China when banned, others have submitted to the party demands, and openly praise the “reforms” that the website has gone through.They even support the likes of Hulk, Icnif and Victoria, whereas once they agreed these posters were fake.

Of course, most of the “expats” on the site are not genuine any more, a tactic George has admitted to. The overriding principle is to give the false impression to China newcomers that the site is genuine, and that the ads and “advice” given by the likes of Hulk and others will help them. In this way, George and eChinacities can continue to entrap newly arrived expats. George Xu continues to make his money out of advertising for illegal schools and recruiters, as well as receiving kickbacks from the government for entrapment by Hulk, Icnif and others on the site."

Finally, whatever ax you have to grind, take it up DIRECTLY with them because I do not represent nor speak for them. Their email address is admin@chinaforeignteachersunion.org.  Maybe ECC should not have banned them here so they can at least participate in this argument and defend themselves.

RiriRiri:

You still mention "them" and talk about "them" like "they" actually exist.

Which isn't the case, and which no one does but you.

expatlife26:

Ok, so where are all the expats i've bullied into submission? Where is everyone coming out of the woodwork saying "Expatlife26 made us all stand against the CFTU! Down with Expatlife26!"

The whole point of this is THERE IS NO CFTU. I can't take my complaints up with them because there IS NO THEM. It's just you and you had an identical looking scam before that called the China Trade Commission.

Again, I will take back EVERYTHING i've said if ONE person who has a name, a face, and a credible history comes forward as a current or former member of the CFTU. That's my word and I think others will do the same.

I'm not against the concept of what the CFTU claims to be...shit I support a volunteerism/advocacy group for expat teachers. Why the hell not?

I'm against what the CFTU actually is, a shady scam website run by a con artist.

coineineagh:

the amount of effort that would be needed to set up expatlife26's persona, who has shown a fair amount of disdain for the teaching profession in the past, wouldnt be worth the trouble. accusing HIM of secretly being a recruiter is beyond nonsensical. no magical document can prove your claim about him. if he was the senkaku/diaoyu islands, then you forgot to check if japan built a military base there before you concocted your documents. the link list would perhaps muddy the waters if it was anybody else, but not him. he works in a bank, and background-checking alleged organizations should be within his (colleagues') capability. swing and a miss. yer out! as for your claim that ECC is controlled by the party, well it loads faster than any website i use here in china, so perhaps. but this is a separate issue, not tied to your CFTU. the worst i've experienced is that quite a few of my more poignant, on-the-nose critiques got deleted without notification. i also received a macro-format warning that my comments were deleted for being borderline racist, which was a bit OTT for the comment but who cares. as to their suggestion to make ECC a more welcoming place, well thats what i do with RANTING. offering some cynical witty entertainment for expats trapped in this happy happy joy joy, smile-or-die red guard dictatorship. ECC lets us rant because they know thats what we want, which gives this site an OK review in my book.

expatlife26:

you fools helped me defeat the great and noble CFTU,  now you will pay the price for my treachery.

following their dismissal from this forum The Leader had no choice but to hang himself. Discord followed and now masses of castrated and Leaderless CFTU members set upon each other in fear.

All are dead. Now recruiters are free to do as they will. Expect an uptick in profanity, an outpouring of F visas and all the things the CFTU stood firmly against. Although Salaries will go up because the CFTU advocated strongly for low salaries.

Almost was telling the truth all along! It was ME that was the recruiter!

Almost:

Read again amigo. I did not post any messages or links from the CFTU. I am not even the person who raised the subject of the CFTU. My subjects have nothing to do with the CFTU and expatlife26 is the character who keeps dragging them into the picture.  Read my post on Z visa deportations and tell me when and where I mention the CFTU for example. The topic of the thread was people who got deported for Z visa end up with travel bans that affect them for years. Expat tried to divert the discussion to be about the CFTU - NOT me.  Why did he do this?  Here is your answer:

http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12147-beware-of-agents-recruiters-masquerading-as-esl-tefl-teachers-at-expat-esl-tefl-forums.html

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/04/12/too-many-agents-recruiters-now-posting-teachers-expat-forums

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125

http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523

expatlife26:

check this out, here's the same guy defending the CTC, the predecessor to the CFTU

http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/doing-business-china/55872-china-trade-commission-being-smeared-6.html#post238110

tell me that's not our man almost!

icnif77:

Hey guys, are you seeing this???

Almost:

I just want to clarify something here. In my MANY posts the only time I get attacked is if the subject has to do something that deals with unethical recruiters creating problems for teachers, and it is always the same guy who drags the CFTU into the argument - not me! I am not posting as a spokesman for the CFTU or anyone else. They should not be banned here so they can speak for themselves.  For the record, I do not agree with all that they do or how they do it, but the issues they raise are good ones and some of them I brought to this forum under my name.

When people start putting words in my mouth or misquoting me, you're damn right I'm going to respond.

What really puzzles me is WHY anyone would be upset to talk about teachers who got arrested and deported  ONLY for believing a recruiter who was short on ethics and long on greed?  Every decent person should be against such exploitation, especially after learning that these deportations can create long-term consequences.

This message was NOT a promotion for the CFTU in any way guys.  And for someone to get so defensive sets off alarm bells in my mind especially after reading what former Traveler said about the running of this forum. 

To be very clear, IF I wanted to promote the CFTU or the YMCA, or the ACLU, I would do so directly - in no uncertain words and give direct links to their websites. I am not one to beat around the Bush as you can see in many of my other posts that have nothing to do with the CFTU or teaching.

Shining_brow:

Almost - the problem is your sources! Your most recent thread on Z visa deportations had 2 links to CFTU associated (linked) websites, and the third was merely a Yahoo Q&A that was asked only a couple of days ago, and had NO real content!!! Certainly, no indications of legalities or whatever.

The comment with the table - I tried to find that, but unfortunately, SCMP seems to be blocked :(

If your sources lack credibility, and you choose to use ONLY them, then you're going to have problems!!!

Almost:

Okay I see what you mean. But I can only go with what I find online. But I seriously doubt that "Traveler" who admitted his own identity would lie to us now that he is no longer employed by ECC right?  Did you see what he wrote?

"The worst part is that many of the genuine expats have gone through a kind of “Stockholm Syndrome.” They have been bullied and even banned by eChinacities, and only allowed to continue posting there if they toe the party line. While many left, or refused to apologise and give false praise to China when banned, others have submitted to the party demands, and openly praise the “reforms” that the website has gone through.They even support the likes of Hulk, Icnif and Victoria, whereas once they agreed these posters were fake.

Of course, most of the “expats” on the site are not genuine any more, a tactic George has admitted to. The overriding principle is to give the false impression to China newcomers that the site is genuine, and that the ads and “advice” given by the likes of Hulk and others will help them. In this way, George and eChinacities can continue to entrap newly arrived expats. George Xu continues to make his money out of advertising for illegal schools and recruiters, as well as receiving kickbacks from the government for entrapment by Hulk, Icnif and others on the site."

The entire article he wrote is here at this link and the above is just a snippet: http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/

Now if you think back to when and why the CFTU was banned it was right when they raised the issue of whether or not blacklisted advertisers with a known history of cheating teachers should be allowed to advertise here. In my mind at least, that is a legitimate subject to debate. If I had to, I could argue for and against such ads. But as Traveler and others may recall the entire thread was just deleted within a few hours and the CFTU was banned.  None of us got any explanations and the two teacher recruiters who are regular posters here at ECC were elated.  And now they want to ban me because I raised another touchy subject of the the long-term effects of working without a Z visa - if you get caught.

If this was a government website I could understand the censorship and even the attack dogs. But ECC is registered as a private for profit company from what I can see at SAIC. Am I being unreasonable here?

Shining_brow:

I put Traveler on ignore ages ago (not that it matters - but it was well before he left/was banned). But I'm sure you've seen our bouts. His words mean nothing to me....

I do, however, see connections between advertising space, money, and bad agents/recruiters (and their protection).

expatlife26:

Yeah but i'm not at all against what the CFTU claims to be. I'm all for a volunteer advocacy group for expat teachers. That's a good thing and easy to get behind.

I'm against what the CFTU actually is...which is a shady website run by a con artist.

Again not one person with a face, name or history has ever come forward as a current or past member. It's just conveniently a total secret whos a member. Every website that talks about them at all...is 100% anonymous. Not one real person.

Almost, I take back every word of this the second a real person emerges. Someones with a name, face and pre-china history. Like say somebody with a facebook who talks to their high school friends you know?

Come on not one person has that?

expatlife26:

Shining I want to answer one of your points there. The posts go off topic because it's almost because he's so clearly been pushing what seems like, at best, a suspect group of websites for a long time.

I respect an honest discussion and I think most people here do. I see a guy like DrMonkey or Scandinavian post something I might not agree with it but I believe it's a real person with a real opinion.

I don't think almost was either of those things. A human perhaps, but not anybody that addressed us or carried on a conversation. He'd say whatever supported the idea that his sites were real, completely out of context.

In the beginning we'd ask legitimate questions and he'd always blow them off or accuse us of being recruiters. And then his next post, same deal. After 6 months of this crap it was obvious he was spamming links for search engine optimization, pushing his sites and then trying to make a discussion look 2 sided on each individual thread.

I would NEVER call for someone to be banned just because I disagree with them, that's BS. And I still say ONE real person connected to the CFTU comes forward and I take everything back. That's my word. But that standard of proof is apparently too high. So instead he freaks out.

Englteachted:

You are missing one glaring fact. He posts incorrect information. Telling people that they do not need to have some sort of teaching cert . He makes up stories to try and make his lies seem true.

He made a post  offering to connect teachers to  a lawyer who for 10 grand would magically void their contract. 

Englteachted:

You are deflecting by bringing up Traveler . He has nothing to do with this.

expatlife26:

Don't forget me. We're the same person too right?

I don't want to be left out.

RiriRiri:

Of course we are.

Shining_brow:

They already know I am you... Traveler told them all about a year ago - remember?

TedDBayer:

I'm glad no one is after me ,  I want my raincoats and flashlights.