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Q: Is anyone else out there feeling the same vibes I am feeling?
I have been reading a lot of articles on the new changes to go in effect on July 1, 2013, and even the law as it was proposed on the Internet. And I am developing a concern, and will like to hear the opinion of others.
Even if the Law has been written and published, it says that the detailed regulations will come out later. And not enough information is given, even with the fact that it is considered that this Law in an attempt to stop those that use an "L" visa to enter China to do things not allowed under that visa, like working, living here for years, etc. Now, the vibes I am getting are as follows: No where in my readings I have seen mentioned that multiple entry L visas will continue to be issued. EVERYWHERE I read that the validity will be from 6 months to one year maximum (no more two years will be issued?), the number of entries will be 1 or 2, depending on your particular circumstances and reasons for coming to China (no more multiple entries issued?), and the number of days to stay will be either 30, 60 or 90 days, with 90 the maximum (no more 120, 150 or 180 days stay ?). Another thing that worries me is the statement for the L visa. "Issued for persons wishing to visit China for tourism purposes" is basically the explanation for that visa. And now they have created another type, called "Q" visa, for the purpose of visiting relatives. Will that force those of us not actually married to Chinese nationals to leave China? I am here because I want to be near my 11 years old daughter, but her mother and I are not married, and my daughter was not born in China, she is here under a student visa. If any one knows more than me, or see things in a different way, please do reply to this post. I will appreciate all the input I can get.
PS: Another thing I managed to read was that holders of "L" can only ask for one extension of the "stay" days, and that extension can be for a maximum of 30 days, then must leave China. Now you can get two extensions of 30 days each.
10 years 43 weeks ago in Visa & Legalities - China
Sounds like it will be busy times at the marriage office.
honestly i do not care. i work here and have a work visa that the school takes care of. guys like you happy are people who genuinely loves china and love spending your time and money in china, legally.
this law seems to be aimed at hurting people like you, go figure. guys like you take no money from china but put money into china. ccp has it's head firmly planted up it's arse.
the ccp does not like foreigners here and with china's economy on shaky ground they seem to be targeting the wrong group of foreigners first .
the stated reasons are usually not the real reasons. this is not aimed at illegals. they would not need new laws for that.
i said this on another post, guys and gals start saving your money. stop going to the pubs, massage parlors , western restaurants (i must try that german restaurant first) and save your damn money! the ride is about to end and it will be abrupt .
Hulk:
Well said, crimo.
China's government likes to punish foreigners who like China. It's like saying, "Why do you like us? Damn you! Get out of our country, you scumbucket."
happywanderer:
Couldn't agree more - feeling very unwelcome at the moment
I wonder if this is China's way of getting other Countries Governments to do Deals with them ?
Thin edge of the wedge so to speak
It has got to be related to financial gain for CCP somewhere
I'm wondering if China is trying to force foreigners out all together, and seize all foreign investments and assets. There have been a few court cases recently where they have done that in so called "restricted" industries where foreigners had invested, and paid just a fraction as "compensation."
happywanderer:
It basically is. It's about getting rid of expats in general (except rare cases) so that locals can fill them. What they don't realize is that that causes long term damage because trust (on a multinational level), and expertise (at a local level) will be lost. Nevertheless this is a very protectionist country so they're sensible moves in the eyes of petty tyrants. For now multinationals will put up with it because of the value of the Chinese market but it only takes a few more bad examples to really spoil things for everyone.
Stop the migration of Chinese into other countries. More so the marriage visas that have always been on the rise.
Honestly, I dont care. If I need to leave, then so be it.
Still waiting for my good conduct cert to arrive to renew my visa. According to the website of the US Postal Service, it arrived in China on June 22. But China Post has no record of it.
Truth be told, having had a BC week, I would probably welcome it if it got lost in the mail. I am just so tired of all the BS here, and it is only getting worse.
Happy, the two year visa is still available but you must apply with in your home country, my father is here and he has a two year multiple entry L visa and so does my son, we tried in Hong Kong but they said no more than 180 days with only one entry so we made a field trip back to the states, got it done in 3 days.
I do believe that they are trying to push the limits but in one hand you really can't blame them, what I do feel sorry for is ESL teachers for it seems like they can basically run all over their employees knowing the new laws.
I hope for all the foreigners working on anything other than a Z visa realize that your risk factor just went up 10 fold.
Gil, what do you need a good conduct cert. for? Unless Im mistaken, your first Z visa should have been the only time you needed it, unless you changed provinces.
GuilinRaf:
I was informed by the school that the PSB requires (at least in Beijing) that I present a good conduct certificate in order to renew my visa. The fact that I presented one when I first came to China in 2007 does not seem to matter. They insist I present a new one. Moved to Beijing in 2011 and it was not required. This is the first time it has been asked of me since 2007.
