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Q: Are not native english teachers exploited in China?
I know that I am not native english teacher，I have been working at a training school for around 14 days all of the students are kids of 6 to 12 years old and when I signed the contract the manager told me that I had 5 hours per week of training to prepair classes but, that is not true. Every day I prepair the clases I have to work more than 8 hours, and change my classes schedule many times. Do you have the same problem??. I don,t know what to think, thank you
I'm not exactly sure of what you are talking about. How did you even land an english teaching job? Anyways, if you are at a training school most of them are run the same exact way! Don't be surprised!
You can't speak English that well, why teach it? A good school will never hire you. Try to get another job (stay away from teaching English) or maybe do an internship. This has nothing to do with you not being a native speaker. By the way, you should put a comma before 'but', not after.
Shining_brow:
I thumbed down, because the English isn't that bad! Besides, we only get the written language on here, not the spoken!
(OP - you do have spelling and punctuation issues!!!)
angelina8:
His English is not that bad for an EFL learner, but we are speaking about him being the teacher here. His problem is this: he doesn't speak English fluently, thus he isn't qualified to teach English, thus a decent institution won't hire him. Let's leave where he comes from out of the equation. He is exploited because he isn't qualified for the job.
Shining_brow:
Shenma??? How do you know the OP isn't 'qualifiied'??
I know numerous NNS English speakers with CELTA's, BA's and Master's degrees (and no doubt there are a stack of PhD's out there) in the English language who would know FAR more about English, and ESL, than the majority of people doing that job... both here, in other NNS English-speaking countries, and in a large number of NS English speaking countries!
I think it's moronic to think that just because someone isn't a native speaker of a language, they're completely unable to teach that language!!!
Being a NNS has many advantages over NS ....
angelina8:
I am a NNS of English with a Bachelor's in English Language and Literature and a recognized teaching certificate. I would NEVER say that only native speakers can teach a certain language.
Even people with limited knowledge of a language can teach it when there is nothing better around. It probably was like this in China 10-15 years ago, but not anymore. OP is obviously being exploited because he heard stories that you only need a foreign face to get hired as an English teacher in China. Well, the kind of places that are not likely to exploit their employees will not hire someone who speaks English like that (complete lack of coherence and numerous grammatical mistakes). My sincere advice is "Get away, don't waste your time!"
Your first sentence explains exactly why you get exploited. You are not a native speaker, and your English is terrible.
You cannot complain about being cheated, when you yourself are trying to cheat the schools.
Shining_brow:
What a ridiculous reason to be 'exploited'!
Every Chinese teacher in this country is a non-native speaker, so you suggest they should all be exploited as well??
When I learn my Russian (not to mention Sanskrit, Classical Greek and Hebrew) I had NNS - should they have been exploited as well???
Traveler:
Shining: They are illegal, like your little union buddies, so have no rights under Chinese law. Chinese teachers are legal, and have the same interlanguage so therefore better qualified.
Run along now, Shining. There's a good lad.
:
Traveler, soon or later you may get a proper answer about all this campaign you flag against the non-native teachers. It could be from anywhere else. While I appreciate your endeavor, somehow you're getting annoying. But for now I can tell you that the OP refers to his contract and therefore he is complaining about a break in that document not to mention the afterwards abuses he is submitted to. Unless his contract would state that all the rights of his contract are conditioned by his writing skills, your answer it's simply a nonsense. I hope you don't want me to make a drawing of what nonsense is or it means. Your answer to the OP complains show to what extent your campaign against the non-native teachers in China went so far that you're start making some ridiculous points already. You need to revise yourself and your determination to make fun of us as non-native teachers and this place only a heaven for the Native ones. Please do question yourself why all this, especially when, as far as I've understood, you're not even living in China but campaign all this bitterness yours from Australia? Believe me or trust me, as you wish, that I read your posts and have a great deal of respect for your "justice" including when it comes to us, the non-native teachers, but I know of at least one native teacher on this Forum who proves much more compassion and understanding as to us and shows much more respect than you basically never do. Be happy Doug from your Australia, as we are trying to be happy from inside China.
Traveler:
Jeani: I didn't even bother reading all your text, because it was poorly written and hard to read. Good reasons why you are not suitable as an English teacher.
I don't care if I have upset you, so it's no point in wasting your time telling me.
Unqualified, unskilled teachers cheat the students, keep education standards low, and also keep wages low for qualified teachers.
If you're happy to cheat everybody, that's your business. But please spare us all your whinging and whining about being cheated in return. You have no rights, so stop complaining.
:
I was expecting this sort of comment. So you basically are offending me with no reason at all, and tell me that I am a cheater. Dude you're going on slippery slope. No non-native English teacher here in China is a scammer. I am proud to be a teacher, qualified with a BA in Sciences of Education. I came in China with no reason to cheat anybody else. Yet, we are scammed by Chinese employers. You keep humiliating us and again you prove ridiculously obsessed about us. I don't care how much a coward like you,who only keeps offending us for not being Natives, appreciates or not my writing skills. I'm no Shakespeare whatsoever. But I can tell you that I speak 6 languages including yours while you speak yours only. Nobody in this Forum goes after you, yet you keep harassing us. Nobody has required you to be the voice of the Natives. While you complain of the Unions and all this shit, you try actually to make us so defendless so you can keep beaching us at your will. Believe me, you do have a serious problem. When I suggested you to reconsider your endeavor I also meant that you should go to ask a shrink about your obsessive and compulsive issues. We have the right to be in this Country the same way as you do and we will be in this Country as long as we are allowed to teach English.
Shining-brow has already told how ridiculous you are, I told you how ridiculous you're becoming, you attacked him with your stupid union obsessions and you attack me taking advantage about my poor writing skills. You've also tried to tell Elena-Dob that you will be back with some answer, suggesting that she may not be this good at writing either.
Man, go bitch somebody else and let us be happy. You are becoming poisonous.
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BTW. What has an ex policeman to do with teaching children anyway? I am sure I have read about you in one of the posts and I also heard that you were a sort of guardian at a prison????? Dude, what on Earth are you trying to pretend you are? Stop being a poison for anybody. The only think you are is a hero of a lost cause and the only thing you can make it is some tempest in a cup glass of water. Period.
Traveler:
Jeani: It is amazing that people like you that promote criminal activity, like illegal teaching or illegal unions, will attack anybody that has once been a law enforcement officer, even if it was 25 years ago. In fact, you pick that out amongst all other aspects of my life, as if that is the real criminal act. Sorry to disappoint you - it's the other way around.
Since then I have obtained a degree in Adult Education, a degree in Training & Development and a Masters degree in TESOL. I also have 16 years western teaching experience. I will back my qualifications against yours any day.
Now run along...
:
Dude, now you show you're as vulnerable as any of us, no matter how much of a Native you are, because you are trying to justifie yourself. So far, I've never promoted criminal activities in China. This is a serious accusation you're putting on me, you're putting on me things I am not guilty of and I expect some apologies. I am convinced that you need some psychological control. You only repeat yourself over and over again in any of your posts making up enemies of people who are not your enemies. I am not your enemy, I am not your problem. You are the problem for yourself. Go get some real life, dude, than come back and share some good experience with us. I will be happy to hear of something good too from you. I am sick of you so far.
Amonk:
I think most of us are on the side of the guy capable of writing in decipherable English. You are certainly more qualified than some employed ethnic Chinese teachers and less qualified than some others. That's life. Your ability to motivate students, capacity for preparation and ability to field questions are more important than which accent you possess… but without an ethnic Chinese teacher to compare you to, this becomes an argument without purpose. It's quite impressive that you have this level of fluency in 6 languages, but I wonder why you are incapable of leveraging that knowledge into a position you are more appropriately qualified for.
Shining_brow:
Taveler - try, just try, not to be so immature in the future when you respond publicly on a forum... remember, everyone gets to see your posts! (and, given the other thread you started, they also know your name... could be quite interesting for future employers if they choose search for your name prior to hiring you.... Especially when making loose, unsubstantiated accusations against people... might come back and bite you sometime!)
Now, back to the real issue here... who says they're 'illegal'?? I mean, other than yourself??? You (foolishly) forget that not being a native-speaker doesn't actually mean they don't have the right passport! And, just because NNS don't have the language ability from day 1 (as most NS do), doesn't mean they aren't qualified to teach.
Fortunately, far more enlightened and not-so-closeminded people than yourself, such as the British Council and Cambridge ESOL don't have a problem with NNS either teaching or even examining English around the world - why do you?? Cambridge even has CELTA and Delta NNS teachers!
(speaking of that... oh, gods, please don't tell me you actually try to teach this language... to real human beings??? You have zero compassion, and zero patience... not to mention zero ability to pull your head out of your arse!)
Jean's post, and the OP's were quite understandable to anyone who tries to actually read them... if you can't, then you seriously have no 'right' to be teaching a language!!! That sort of understanding is an essential ability for foreign language teaching!!!!!
Jeania, don't bother... I know I just wrote all of that up above towards Traveler, but I do know exactly what type of response I will get... and it will include zero intelligence. (and about the same level of maturity!!)
On a side-note... prison guard is a somewhat loose definition of 'law enforcemen' officer' - no???
Many teachers have or had the same problems, or even worse. It doesn't help matters that you are not a native English speaker.
The more experienced you get, the easier it is to prepare for classes. You have to be ready to roll with the punches and keep smiling.
GuilinRaf:
So true!
My first day of class was a DISASTER!!!!
My first two years, I would spend nearly one hour preparing for each class.
However, as time passed, and my collection of lesson plans grew, I found that I needed less and less time to prepare.
Now, I usually need just one hour per week to adjust and tailor each lesson to each class. However, I do spend more time since I get bored with the same lessons every term, so I look for ways to improve my lessons and bring in fresh material that not only will be better for the students (I hope) but will also keep teaching "fresh and new" for me. Even so, I make sure to have at least three lessons prepared for each class as experience has taught me that what worked in one class may fall flat in another and vice versa.
When that happens, all you can do is smile sweetly and move on to the next lesson...
thanks for your advices. I think you are right, Junglelife
JungleLife:
Since you are not a native speaker, you will have to make up for it with hard work and striving to be liked by all the students and the bosses; then they will treat you better. But know your limits too, don't stay if they aren't worth your time. Good Luck.
I only work like 34 hours per month as a native speaker. Not even 2 hours each day, and only 5 days per week.
Son, you're not a native speaker, so they'll exploit you hardcore. Sorry. 
Why no one here picks on my English? I'm a non-native teacher too. I posted a bunch of answers, come on, find mistakes in them & tell me I shouldn't be teaching English.
MissA:
Errr, Elena, your written English at least is excellent, and I'm sure from your previous posting that you're a good teacher, but..... didn't you mean to ask a question in your first sentence sentence of this post? i.e. "why doesn't anyone pick on my English?"
ElenaDob:
Fair enough. Question mark is supposed to be at the end of the sentence.
Amonk:
There are literally hundreds, but I am used to being paid to correct non-native's mistakes. Sorry.
Stop thinking , eat a Kitkat.
:
hahahahaahahah that's a great advise. I remember the advertising on TV. You're right, why thinking so much?
Amonk:
Jeanie please stop using the word advise in place of advice, and do not use "a" when mentioning said advice, unless followed by "piece of advice". Thank you. Sincerely, The Uppity Native English Teachers Alliance
Most likely - are you being hired as a teacher, or are you caucasian (preferably with blue eyes)???
Yes, you're going to be exploited in any typical language school in China... however, there are other schools, and universities, where you won't be screwed over quite so much.
Just highlight all the difficulties you had in learning English, and what you learnt from that that you can then teach the students. In some ways, you have a much greater opportunity than us native-speakers!!!
I am european, spanish, lathin race. In any case I didn,t try to offend anyone here,
GuilinRaf:
Tranquilo hermano! No te preocupes, hay mucho patan en este foro.
No veo como llegas a la conclusion de que ofendiste a alguien?
