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Q: Are you surprised the value for qualified teachers hasn't gone up despite the recent visa changes?

http://jobs.echinacities.com/jobchapter/1354551995

 

I hate being right. Years ago when the unqualified foreign teacher crack down started in Beijing I pointed out that the illegal teachers were just being hired through agencies. I saw an entire university (and heard of another) fire all their qualified foreign teachers and hired an agency to supply teachers who did not meet the basic visa requirements . But they were able to get visas and worked for less pay and took on a higher workload 22 hours plus office hours to our 12 and they weren't paid at all during breaks. One of them were actually insane, seriously and had to be fired after 2 months (he verbally abused his students on a daily basis)

 

If you could buy stock in foreignhr, do it.

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No, not really, they need the wake up call first! After the wake up call the salary will have to go up because nobody will sit around in their home country and say: "Hey wow 12,000 a month in China, lets take all these docs and authenticate them, China Baby Yeah!, I can't wait for a 12,000 RMB salary."

 

No no no, I think in the long run companies will hire illegals or start turning to locals, but there are not as many as before and its not easy to get a long term visa unless your country can get you a 10 year visa lie America, or a family visa.

 

We've have yet to see the results of this new visa system and we'll have to wait for August 2018 to see the results.

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I'd say, that's --'get whoever you can and pay less!'-- normal in China.

 

Do you think, agencies worry for qualifications?

 

That's why Gov. changed the Law, i.e. diploma authentication requirement.

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How many schools can legally hire foreigners?.....There are far more that can't than can. So right off the bat nothing changes for these schools. The way it looks to me it was a more of crack down on non native english to seek legal employment. Since you need a degree from an approved English speaking country, this cuts out more of the non natives english people....Like 99%. And it does not hurt to check native english speakers degrees too, but there are ways around that if you are a white person from one of english speaking countries...but then again this only applies to legal teaching.which is less than half the total english schools in china.

It's like a deterrent for people who want to work legally.

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Their mantra of Maximum Profit>all else permeates throughout the work culture.
It directly affects the "value" of quality workers.

This is basically their mantra:
 

Act as though you have the "best quality"

In reality go for the cheapest possible solution that maximizes your own profit (Cheat, steal, and lie if you have to!)

 

When the cheap solution becomes too obvious, act as though you are cracking down and making sweeping changes.
In reality, it's a transparent attempt to tear down the "evil outsiders" in any way possible as long as it maximizes your profit and also fits the ultranationalist xenophobic agenda.
The secondary benefit of doing this is gaining face.

Remember, outsiders are below mainlanders, they can't be paid too much or given value or they will take advantage of it by demanding "fair treatment and pay".

 

Don't forget to ignore the rules if they interfere with your maximum profit.
Remember: quality is 'costly', so it must be avoided at all cost.
If you can, tear down the 'quality worker' and coerce it into being submissive and being paid lower to maximize your profit and face.

If the quality "worker" can't get behind your maximum profit, egotistic agenda, you must cast him out, laugh at him, berate him for coming to China (he must be low quality to come here hehe huhu huahua), get him deported if possible.

Rinse and repeat.

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No, not really, they need the wake up call first! After the wake up call the salary will have to go up because nobody will sit around in their home country and say: "Hey wow 12,000 a month in China, lets take all these docs and authenticate them, China Baby Yeah!, I can't wait for a 12,000 RMB salary."

 

No no no, I think in the long run companies will hire illegals or start turning to locals, but there are not as many as before and its not easy to get a long term visa unless your country can get you a 10 year visa lie America, or a family visa.

 

We've have yet to see the results of this new visa system and we'll have to wait for August 2018 to see the results.

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No.

 

Firstly, it's obviously been too soon!

 

Secondly, it sort of begs the question - how much would a (legal) school be willing to pay to have a qualified NES? Have those schools been seriously underpaying us for years? (remember the economy we're in, where 5K is an average salary for most parts in China). How much are they charging students? Is that also going to go up? And, are they going to get the same number of students if they do? (once we become rare, possibly...)

 

As said above, a company is going to try to pay the least to get the most... that happens everywhere in the world. So, if they don't need to, then they won't... See my first point! Maybe in a few months, when the new academic year starts (and the hiring processes should be done).

 

Lastly, look at the pays for Chinese... costs have skyrocketed over the last decade or so, but their pays haven't. Why should it be much different for us?? Granted, it should be much easier for NES FTs to 'band together' to start demanding higher pays (ie, not accepting lower pay)... but is that actually likely to happen??? Of course not!

 

 

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I don't know, I am one of seven foreign teachers at my school, and they gave all of us a 20% increase. 

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Someone said that pay actually stagnates for locals...

This is not true, actually the pay increase greatly by 10% in average every year. Now the company cannot really afford it anymore and it stucks in this year a bit.

 

The salaries in crappy companies with high employee turn over indeed stagnates, because if someone gets to expensive, they replace them. In china this policy is easy because the supply is great.

This obviously only works for those job position that are actually replaceable. FT unfortunately is in this category and actually encourage it with its one year contracts.

 

I don't see the salary go up for FTs in the near future as they are too easy to replace by other fresh adventurers.

The legal supply may go down but we are in china and no one gives a shit about legal

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I just got new 1-year Contract offer. Doesn't that confirm, my surprise teaching quals are up&up? 

Where's tits?

My Q might not be entirely correct ... is 'tits' pl. or sin.?

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