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Q: Are you tired of ESL? Looking for something different to do in China?

I just want to ask and offer up a solution for a project I just finished. 

 

Honestly, after a few years... I was dead tired of the ESL game. The only places I enjoyed working at either had very long hours or very little compensation (such as at a university). If you got a good place to work at, that's cool. I am just not cut out to be a teacher full-time. I don't mind it part-time with students that really want to learn. 

 

So I am just wondering for those of you not in the ESL game, how did you find your job? 

 

Are any of you doing your own thing? 

 

And if you are in the ESL game, are you looking to get out? Or are you happy where you are at? 

 

(Removed link - if you are interested in the kit, contact me) 

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So, you're a shill. I don't know anyone making "6 figures" or more who has time to post on this sort of forum. BTW: check your spelling of "university".
Save your time, everyone, send me 1200USD right now and I'll send you the secret on how you can make almost 1200USD a day!

Paulberger:

where do i send it!!!?!?!

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Robk:

To answer your question:

 

No, I am not a shill. I simply found a method to make my own money... I posted on this board because I always run into ESL teachers that say... "Oh, I wish I could do this but..." or "I like living in China but I want to do something else.." or "I want to get out of China but the job market sucks..."

 

I guess I can't change your mindset. You are too busy trying to pick out spelling mistakes on a question post (thanks, I corrected it btw). 

 

It's a kit that helps you learn how to freelance market online. Something millions of people already do lol... 

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Then help people for free! You are no better than the 419 scammers. AND! With your "income" you could certainly afford to pay to advertise on this site. Here's another freebie: "Internet" is always capitalized.

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Contacted the site, haven't got a response yet. And it was just a question to see how many people on this board were looking to get out of ESL. 

 

You focused directly on the link. As for charging, I was thinking about making it free but as you already suggested with your first line.... time is money. And it took time to build this kit. 

 

Anyway, that's your opinion. You can hate on it if you want, it does work and I am happy as hell I did it cause now I make 5-6x I did as an ESL teacher AND I don't have to be in China to do it.

 

It's like not some kind of... "give me money and I tell you to go sell to everyone you know" pyramids. You have to learn a skill first that is marketable.

 

Since you love correcting people's grammar and spelling so much... use that editorial skill and make money off it rather than doing it for free (like you have now). Why not? 

 

Anyway, deduce what you will. It takes money to make money. 

 

 

 

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@robk dont pay attention to sinobear man, hes kind of a dick. Btw i know for a fact people make 6 figures and have time to come on this site. He has no idea what hes talking about. Anyways i think its great you made a kit and want to get it out there. Its a fact many people want to get out of esl just let them come to you I guess, when you bring it up then people will get pissed. Doesnt make any sense to me. I guess people dont like the shame of seeing others doing something constructive with their time. Peopl just enjoy shitting on others when they get the chance

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Exactly Mike, 

 

It's cool about Sinobear. I love a good debate. I enjoy answering these questions and accusations because I would be skeptical too. But I know it works and so do the people at my bank lol. 

 

People can be cynical if they want. I just know if someone who WAS in ESL had offered me a chance to learn, make more money and live in China on my own terms... I would have jumped at the chance. But that's me. 

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Thats a pretty broad statement, successful expats still might like online expat communities. 

 

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Im just tired of your shit post really

Robk:

Personally, I wouldn't type such angry things next to the picture of my daughter... but to each their own. 

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In before harmonization!

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Seems to be a lot of negativity... removed the link and rather just focus on the question. Are you looking to get out of the ESL game or are you happy where you are? 

 

Did you get out of it and move into something else? 

 

If you are in ESL and happy, then don't bother (unless you have something useful to say). Otherwise, I am interested in hearing about it. 

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I've got a pretty good job teaching English in a middle school.  I only have twelve 40 minute classes a week, each of 34 to 37 students.  Some of them are even interested in improving their English, which goes down well with me.

The school gives me complete autonomy and don't jerk me around.  And they pay me 9,000 a month and provide a single apartment.

It's a good job.  On weekends I do some private classes and that kicks up the income by another 3 or 4 thou a month as well as occupying some of my spare time, of which I have too much.  I really should think about a way to better spend my time, but I don't.

Perhaps I might open the link in your question post above..... Nah.

 

 

 

Robk:

Well, it is removed now, haha. 

 

But most ESL teachers work 20-25 hours per week at the max. That leaves quite a lot of time to do something on the side. Most schools don't like their teachers tutoring on the side and it can get you in trouble. 

 

Why not learn a skill and then freelance it online? That way you got a back-up plan if you move back home.

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is your school hiring 

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As long as I'm there, no, they're not (at least I hope not), but I know other middle schools out here in Xinjiang are.

 

 

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how would you market editing or esl skills on the internet?

Robk:

Editing easily, 

 

But there is no point marketing ESL online... you would probably make more tutoring locally if that is an option but I guess you could... Just doesn't make sense if you are already in China. You would need another skill. 

 

This is by no means... a gimmick. You have to learn a skill and get good at it first to a level that people are willing to pay you. It's not like being handed a job in China but it can make you a lot more and you get to be your own boss. 

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Logically, by creating such a kit, you have determined you could make more money off the kit itself than doing whatever you preach inside your kit, because otherwise you'd be doing that, right?  (I'm referring to the time and effort allocation)

 

Is your make money online kit about creating a make money online kit and selling it online? 

Iron_Monkey:

You didn't read "The Six Figure Second Income" by any chance, did you?

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Robk:

I answered that's in Bill's response. 

 

But you bring up a more interesting question. 

 

You asked a logical question, rather than just making accusations. 

 

I don't plan on selling this kit to make me rich. I don't even know if I will make money off of selling it... because frankly... most people are just too skeptical. I tell people what I do here in China and they look at me like I am lying. Seriously.... 

 

I can't fathom it... some people's minds just work differently. Whether someone buys the kit or not... I will still do what I do because it works. Selling the kit, is not my business lol. 

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Wait, I worked it out! The kit tells you how to market a kit that tells people how to market a kit by posting on forums!

Your business is internet marketing, right?

1.  make a kit that tells people to make a kit.

2.  post in forums

3. CA$$HH

no

Nothing to see here.

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Beat you to it, Bill... by 16 seconds ha.

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I was so proud of myself, but ultimately I lost to a freaking monkey!!!

Look away, leave me be.

cool

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Robk:

No, not even close. 

 

My online business is designing websites, mobile applications, games and developing them. I am not going to go into it here but this was just a side project. 

 

I don't "sell a kit that sells a kit"... that sounds stupid. 

 

I sell a kit, that helps people who have skills, so they can find the companies or clients looking to pay for these remote services (it is called freelancing). It explains tax deductibles, avoiding red flag clients, how to structure your payment terms... etc. 

 

I am disappointed, I clearly overestimated some of you. 

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Listen, 

 

Companies around the world OUTSOURCE (yes, to save money on the bottom line). Why do you think Apple outsourced to Foxconn? 

 

Companies and small businesses do this with employees (seek them to work remotely) to save money and it increases their search margins for new up-coming talent. If you offer them Western quality service or near to it... but a lower price (because you live in China or run a team in China... and the cost of living is lower)... then you are a diamond in the rough. 

 

My kit teaches you how to connect to them (the clients or companies) and set something like this up... BUT you need to know a skill first... like writing or editing, translation, design, coding, business consulting, marketing, sales, handling legal matters, whatever... Anyway, if you are not interest... you are not interested... I go on with my life, and you go on with yours. 

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bill8899:

Why pick on me? I am last. I lost. You hear me, I LOST. But seriously, it doesn't bother me. I have moved on. 

Anyway yes those are all great skills with scant competition. 

Yes, everyone wants to hire a lawyer they never met. Same with an editor.

I lost and you're attacking me. Way to kick a man when he's down. Let meet steep in my solitary grief.

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It's cool Bill, it's cool. 

 

Actually, there is this wonderful tool called "Skype", people sometimes conduct business over it. They sometimes hold video chats or make audio conversations. 

 

And when you are a freelancer, you sometimes have something called a portfolio, testimonials, referrals, reviews... 

 

Companies care more about the bottom line than being your friend, shi bu shi?

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Wait, wait a minute, I'm sorry. I apologize. That word: 'outsource'. Never heard of it. Sir, you have opened my eyes and I owe you a debt of gratitude. I must now look into this 'outsourcing' you speak of. Must be new, like 3d printers or something. Thanks.

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bill8899:

Holy ^%&$! Skype! I just looked it up!! Thank you! Please keep replying!! I want more knowledge!

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Robk:

Okay Bill, 

 

Have a nice life. Maybe you can freelance your sarcasm online, write comedy articles or something. People pay for that you know. 

 

www.cracked.com 

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bill8899:

Cracked.com is awesome, seriously. I have a half finished article for them. Thanks, my life is quite nice. 

Thou doth protest too much.

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What Robk says is correct actually. If you can find a niche market to sell your skills you can do pretty well from that as an additional income. I have fiddled about with online marketing and outsourcing what I perceive is a talent with limited success. I am a creative writer and I make about 15000RMB / year in additional income by selling my talent. By working pretty hard these past 12 months I have now outsourced that talent to my Chinese school by selling them all my Power Point Lesson Plans and they have contracted me to write new English books. The Lesson Plans are good enough to be sold to kindergartens and primary schools who can buy them outright or they can pay 1000 - 2000RMB a month to use them and I will maintain them for the life of the contract. Not bragging here just saying that I have a talent and have found a market.

 

There are sites out there such as www.elance.com and www.iwriter.com that are always looking for writers and editors and proofreaders for companies that require them for their business. It's pretty successful too. I have met a couple of people who do make a shitload of money on creating websites and selling via MLM.

 

The beauty about this type of work is that you do it at home and all you need is a computer and an internet connection. I have 2 mates in the Philippines that live exactly that way - one makes a killing and the other one does okay. Freelancing is a growing market but the difficulty is in introducing yourself online to enough contacts to keep you busy. In fact I see this line of business having exponential growth over time because it really is a smart way to work. Even ESL is online with most Koreans using the skills of Filipinos and Americans to teach them English one on one through skype and a computer. And, it's big business there.

 

I can see from some responses it's just not for everybody but there is an Aussie saying: Don't knock it before you try it. Be skeptical and be careful but also don't miss an opportunity!

Robk:

Thanks Daqing, 

 

You are 100% correct, which is obviously why you were able to make an extra income off it. Finding and keeping the contracts flowing is the hardest part. That's EXACTLY what my guide deals with... among other challenging aspects of it. 

 

I guess if people want to be stuck in their box, who am I to open the lid. 

 

 

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i completly agree with everything....... except the dont knock it till youve tried it part. Im pretty sure that isnt australian but rather an english expression. Language not country lol

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Anyway, for anyone interested I will post the link here : www.thehomefreelancer.com

 

I HIGHLY suggest getting into freelancing now if you got the time to learn a new skill or have the skills already and you are thinking about it. It is only getting more competitive by the day. 

 

Two of the top dogs in Freelance Marketplaces... oDesk and Elance (one of which Daqing mentioned) are merging  this year. Best time to get in. 

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So I looked at your website, ok, a kit to become freelancer. At the "testimony" bit, you mention Cynthia Harrison, Troy Cote, Randy Shaleq, and Sally Vaughn. They look awfully like stock pictures for stock testimonies. You might convince more people about your kit by providing a link to the personal web pages of those people. With the kind of jobs they do, they surely have a webpage with a portfolio. Couldn't find with Google, those names are very common it seems.

Robk:

Thanks, good point. I will look into doing that. 

 

Actually they don't run businesses under their own name. Reason being, when you are looking to sell off your business, you aren't trying to sell "John Doe Designs"... which would probably be too difficult to sell. That's a tip in my guide, to not name your business after yourself.

 

I will take your suggestion though as it probably would certainly help. Thanks again. 

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You do know pyramid schemes are very very banned in China?

 

And, if I give up my full time job to try your idea, who gives me a Z?

 

 

mike695ca:

I am not sure you fully understand what a pyramid scheme is my friend. And he stated pretty clearly that it is part time to supplement income or to be free to go where you want.

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You should read it first. But that would take some effort... like getting out of ESL. 

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I am not in ESL Robk.

 

Mike:  I read the OP as saying his scheme is a way to get out of ESL teaching, not as an addition to it.  

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I have a special, limited time offer, friend! I have discovered one weird trick to add at least six inches to your car insurance, lower your language payments, and learn a new penis! 

 

Insurance companies, language professors, and people with small penises hate me!

 

 

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Freelancing is definitely hot right now. I know this because I hired freelancers to build my website, WordPress optimization, SEO, and graphic design work. For just building my website alone, I paid this guy the equivalent of 1500rmb and it only took him 3 days to complete it, while he worked on other projects, I'm sure he was probably racking in around 5000-6000rmb a week just from Freelancing. I might end up doing something like that while in China, although my skillset is mainly in writing and social media marketing. I'm more interested in learning how to start an import/export business in China.

Robk:

Yeah, I thought of the import/export thing too but it is really tough because you usually need Chinese partners. And in most cases I have heard, the Chinese partner will wait until you built it up and then find a way to shut you out. 

 

Also, the area is super competitive. But if you find a great niche, like Freelancing, anything is possible. 

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This post is really depressing. I know the internet is a dark faceless place filled with trolls who love to shit on everything but did anyone realise the the OP isnt some spammer? For months he has been on here, just a regular dude, answering and asking questions. Same as everyone else.

 

You can tell that he has worked hard on it, and now he wants to get it out there. If you dont like it or want it you can just continue on with your day. I always thought of this site as a place for expats to band together and piss and moan about China.  If there was ever a place where people could understand that he simply wanted to try something different, that this would be the place. To see that number of people shit all over his work is really disappointing. Even the laziest, most useless douchebag on this site should be able to at least understand what hes trying to do.  A little support for you fellow expat please? 

Sinobear:

The pot calling the kettle black. Found an article about you: http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-report-confirms-you-are-most-interesting-most,34857/?ref=auto

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@mike - It's cool, if I let people like this keep me down I wouldn't have been able to start up my actual business. When I started initially in freelancing, I had all kinds of people tell me it is "impossible", not realistic, and give me a strange look when I tell them... like it is feng pi. 

 

I am surprised by the feedback though from a majority of these people. Some gave excellent advice while others are just extremely spiteful... like they bought a pyramid scheme in the past and now is their chance to get revenge or something lol. 

 

@Sinobear - You keep wasting your time on trying to be condescending. Some people are using that energy to make a better life for themselves and their children. It is too bad, you seem clever but you are wasting your talents. NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING is more worse than wasting your potential... NOTHING!

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Sinobear:

Rather odd that you and Mr.Wilcox like to demean others who disagree with you or call you out. Your self-promotion contravenes forum rules.

You are selling a product...you are attempting to gain financially from those same gullible people who fall for 419 scams, "secret shoppers", and the "Google pays me 6000 a month to work at home" frauds.

You both attempt the "first-strike" approach by labeling those who question you or disagree with you as having no life or having no abiliity to think critically.

Why are you so defensive? Why is Mr.Wilcox so defensive of you? Collusion? Sock puppet?  

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@sinodick  Why do you all of a sudden hate the idea of people profiting from work??? I suppose you teach your students for free?  How is any of it a scam or tricking people?  He made a product and hes selling it. Perhaps there is no capitalism where you come from.

There is literally zero difference between him trying to sell a skill and you trying to sell english. In fact any teacher who has worked in a training center is in collusion with their schools who promise their kids fluency and instead watch cartoons. Every demo  you have ever done is just as much of a scam.

 

I have no idea if his product is any good whatsoever, im just applauding the fact that hes doing something constructive with his time. Its unfortunate that this fills you with so much jealousy that you must take time out from your obviously busy day to denounce this heinous act. 

 

If you can read, you would see that hes asking for 35 bucks.... not alot. With a money back guarantee. Im sure this screams scam to you as you are too afraid to trust buying something on taobao or ebay. But if you crawled out from under your rock once in a while you would see that buying something through paypal actually gives you protection to get your money back.

 

Anyways you should get back to your volunteer job as theres no way that you would possibly be so hypocritical as to collect money for your time or work.

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Thank you so much for proving my point. Honestly, that response made my day!

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If that means youll stop talking then we can both have a good day!

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Thanks for the positive and negative feedback. Maybe some of you bought into that pyramid scheme stuff and got burned and decided to take revenge without even reading and connecting the dots.

 

I have been reading some of your posts on other topics... purposely posting questions about cars, opinions, social status and other items to determine who some of you are behind your posts. 

 

It seems to be that the most successful, clever and positive people on the board have attested that freelancing your talents does work and can earn you extra money. Or have asked intelligent questions. So quite honestly, their opinions matter more to me as these would be the people I am targeting.

 

People who WANT to change their lifestyle and careers and have the ability to do so. I don't need people getting the kit and then crying to me because they thought I promised them a better life when they slapped down $35.00 lol. 

 

So, once again... if you are happy in ESL and going to stay there forever. Then congratulations! If you want to do something new, here's the opportunity... pass it by if you will... I already sold 675 kits, and doing fine! 

Sinobear:

"I already sold 675 kits" not bad for something you "just finished."  

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Robk:

Thank you. It did exceed my expectations.

 

Just finished = Beginning of New Year

 

New Year = New Year's Resolution

 

New Year + New Year's Resolution = Good time for marketing lifestyle changes/new directions

 

Good marketing team > You. But thanks for reading my posts so closely. Keeps me on my toes. There's a freebie in marketing for you. no

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"Contacted the site. Haven't got a response yet." (from way above). 675 kits sold overnight?  

And can you, just to humor me, explain how you and Mr. Wilcox both use "lol" in exactly the same way (lowercase, immediately after a word - no space)?

It's funny how many people have to come to China as just teachers but suddenly discover this "miracle" on how to become so rich and successful, and yet those who came to China already rich and successful are bailing out.

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@sinobear its called hard work. You should google it. Just cuz you havent found any success doesnt mean no one else can. You should refer to that onion article you linked. p.s. i really dont get the mr wilcox reference.........

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Are you saying that based on how we type lol that we are in fact the same person? wow u sure are a master of deduction sinobear. Are you sure you arent chinese ? im just guessing based on your lack of logic or common sense. Yes, we are in fact one and the same. Back in 2010 rob created his profile with the genious plan of scamming you. Well not you, others, obviously asking for 35 bucks infuriates you so you wouldnt be the target customer. Then he waits a year untill june 2011 and creates me! HAHAHA dastardly! for the sole purpose of tricking you into buying a product he will create in the far future of 2014! Good job dick tracy you have outed me.... or is it robk?

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@Sinobear - I could debate with you for days and you could never win whatever it is you are trying to win. eChinacities does not encompass the entire "Internet" and there are an infinite number of marketing channels to utilize. 

 

It comes down to this my furry friend, either this freelancing thing works (which others have already attested to) or I am trying REALLY hard to scam you... which would be pointless... because you could simply demand through PayPal that I return your money as the product you purchased was not as advertised. 

 

You don't seem to know very much about today's technology and how it is being used. People can hate on it all they like, but that doesn't change the reality that online freelancing works. You can try to find holes, you can try to win... but you can't because it is not a scam. I don't get you at all... it's like you are trying your best to refuse to believe you can make money online. 

 

The PayPal screen shot I posted is totally real, oDesk is a real online Freelancing Market... what are you trying to do? Salvage your pride? 

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Sinobear:

I am not trying to win anything. You are trying to promote yourself and your product. I have merely become a thorn in your side because of the ensuing negativity that your own post, plus "teaming" with a troll, has wrought.

Not versant with today's technology? You know nothing of who or what I am. It would be prudent to not make assumptions about anyone here (thinking that everyone on this forum is a naive rube and hence easy pluckings was your first mistake).

 

And! You're still being defensive! If your product (and by proxy, yourself) is so good, let it speak for you.

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Whew....catching up with this post sure has made me thirsty.  And well done to the key contributors,  with not a back step taken!  I  don't believe I've wasted my time this afternoon but now I'm off to quench my thirst. 

 

Red_Fox:

You're a right salty dog, matey! An ex-Qingdaoren tar. I'll join you with a pint as seems we're all comin' apart lately. Cheers, laddie! wink

(BTW, Leo is in Oz. Taking care of Mum...)

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Och n away....doodly doot t do....  cheers Red!

 

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After reading Royce and Mike's posts on this topic I logically concluded that anyone who does not buy the kit now is a loser.

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Let’s take a different tack. I did not start a thread denouncing your attempt at online marketing, you started a thread to promote your product (again, contravening the forum rules).
As you are selling a product, you automatically open yourself up to circumspection and should thus expect questions. Your method thus far to deal with criticism and questions is to infer that those who question or criticize you are somehow flawed in their thinking (see "victim card" comment below). Ask yourself, is this a mature response?
You have one ardent supporter, who is an obvious troll (or sock puppet). Mr. Wilcox mentioned your money back guarantee. Let’s examine this. 35 dollars is not a lot of money. Most people who get scammed for such an amount will not seek a refund. Let’s say they do. What guarantee, other than the words, ”Money back guarantee” ensures that dissatisfied customers will be refunded? Obviously, the legal costs involved in obtaining a refund will far outweigh the end result. Win-win for you.
You attempted to back-peddle by deleting the link in your original post, but re-added it soon after. Couldn’t resist, could you? If you are making money hand-over-fist, you could certainly afford to pay to advertise your product on this site. Now, double-edged sword here: advertising costs money and free publicity is better than no publicity, but where’s your legitimacy?
You know nothing about me, I know nothing about you. That is what is best and worst about these types of forums – I don’t have to worry about bizarre stalkers with a grudge and you are free to try and make a buck. Mr. Wilcox is free to disparage anyone else (and make anonymous posts to further his trolling kick).
Do you not think that some people in the ESL field are just here on a lark? Do you not think that some people are actually trained professionals in their respective fields? Do you not think that some people see “get rich quick” schemes are just that?
Really, look up the meaning of ‘hubris’ and think carefully before you attempt to open a can of worms and then spend countless hours trying to justify yourself.
As for Mr. Wilcox, a little Google search (note the capital ‘G’) shows a hell of a lot more about you than it ever will about me. Please stick to playgrounds and sandboxes where your type of ignorance and bullying prevail.

Robk:

It has already been mentioned that PayPal... the service used to purchase the kit offers protection against unsavory types by allowing users to submit a refund request in the event an item is not as advertised. Are you purposely overlooking for this? 

 

Mike was not the only one to confirm that Freelance Marketing is a hot market and is a good idea... are you also purposely looking over this too? 

 

Yes, I agree and that posting the link opens myself up for criticism. However, I did expect more open-minded, intelligent and logical questioning... overall. 

 

That's fine and dandy Sinobear, you can start playing the victim card... I have seen that all too often in China. This isn't about you, nor myself... this is you trying to convince yourself it isn't possible when it is clearly is... because I have already done it. I am done, it was a nice back and forth debate but I think enough information was offered for people to come to their own conclusions. 

 

 

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You're being defensive again.

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true sign of a moron, when you lose an argument , call the other a wu mao when that fails, attack the spelling. You are a gem. Its probably best you dont try to improve yourself. Doomed to fail. Enjoy staying right where you are for the rest of your life.

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Be great if someone bought it and gave some feedback.

 

Just wanted to mention that with Paypal refunds, the person applying for the refund has to have good standing with Paypal and a healthy transaction history. There's probably more to that but I certainly remember this from getting a refund last year. 

 

Respect the initiative by the way, I could probably do with and use the information within, but wouldn't fork out even a fiver. The internet has made specialist knowledge widely available.The oDesk and others mentioned were very interesting and don't see how you'd need much more intel than this to get going.

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I opened the link. $60k in first year it said.

 

Then this, from the site:

 

"But marketing and business consultants would probably charge you at least <>u$10 000 for the same knowledge and practical advice I put in my kit.

Obviously, I am not going to charge you $10 000. I am not even going charge you $500.

You can get The Home Freelancer and start living your dream for only a onetime payment of $35.00. No waiting, download immediately after purchase."

 

It reads rather like an infomercial. Erm.... and sorry if I have infringed copyright by cutting and pasting here.

 

"Freelancer" is such a romantic word.  Where I come from we call such people self employed. 

 

And you know, in most western countries there is an amazing amount of Government support for people who want to set up their own business. There are loads of highly paid people waiting to help and give free advice.

 

Even banks have employees ready to help others set up companies. Go to them with a good business plan and they will do their best to help get you started.

 

To imply to potentially vulnerable people that you can sell them their dream for $35 is not really a good business plan. Maybe for you it is.  Maybe you really do believe you are helping people by offering to sell them your kit.

 

Sorry, I don't believe you. I call it a scam.  But good luck to anyone who buys it.  I would love to be proven wrongwink

 

 

 

 

 

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It seems to me to be a violation of forum rules at the very least.  It also reminds me of this advertisement that's been popping up on my computer lately. Some guy wants to sell me a guide to picking up women.  If you're making so much money freelancing, why are you wasting your time developing and marketing this kit?  If it's truly to help people, why not make the info free on a website?  I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.  Good enterprise though, scraping information and data on the topic from the internet and other sources, compiling into a "kit", and selling it off to interested parties.  But don't try to make it something it isn't.  And keep it out of this forum.

bill8899:

I know, this is a great message and it's true to make easy money on the internet. My friend Jenny made $1,847.00 last week with no taxes, only direct deposit. Her cousin, Wendy, made $7,849.00 last month and bought a house for $265,000.00, all from their internet working only about two hours per day. Karl makes about $9,505 per month and bought a Corvette all from Google when you goto this website then it is easy for all. Cassh.bit.lee 

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As an after thought, I bet, the eBook, kit whatever is full of typical eBook style writing. You know the vagueness, the repetition, the stuff that tries to get you all worked up, 'now I'm not going to say this or that', 'it can be done...with', 'this is not guaranteed but with a bit of dedicated work...', 'pay close attention to the valuable advice I have given you and soon...' 

 

In saying that I wonder did you buy a kit to make a kit.... and module whatever was eBook/ persuasive writing technique. In any case you had to have learned how to write the way you do and/or finely polish it to eBook standard. The reason I wouldn't buy for even a fiver is the amount of red flags, some mentioned in previous posts. 

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i think the kit just describes the usual way to open a business and what you have to think about it. Thats actually fine but it is nothing new and you can even find it for free in the internet if you look for it.

 

as long as you dont sell GREAT ideas for a niche it is as useless as anything else.

The big deal with opening a business or freelancing is not the skill, it is to find something that has a chance to survive on the market.

people come here and think wow i can do some im/export business but dont realize that they have no chance at all because of the competition.

 

you wanna make money? get out of the esl? i have some tips for free:

 

-find a job in your major (since everyone has a bachelor you have a major)

-you are smart and find a niche that doesnt exsist yet? open your company

-you are good at talking and have a lot of connection/ are good in making contacts, -> become a sales for whatever

-you love esl and have money? invest it and try to open your own kindergarten in a small countryside (rich) village

 

learning skills by yourself is a nice idea but you will never be as good as people who learned it from a professional.

for example i havent learned these things in university but i learned it by myself but i cant sell it as my profession because i am just not skilled enough.

-creating websites (java, html, css, php, sql) i can all these things but not as fast and professionals as IT graduates

-autoCad, ArchiCad, artlantis after a month of trying testing editing i am quite good at building normal stuff but far not good enough to open a business. i even saw a small shitty shop downstairs who offered autocad solutions for like no money at all

 

so what are good skills to learn? if you dont sell these idea then your kit is not useful at all

Robk:

Exactly, 

 

You think I don't keep that in mind? Freelancing is up to the freelancer. 

 

I know it is competitive, you are preaching to the choir. I have lived off of freelancing in China for years now and I am buying an apartment. I don't teach ESL. 

 

Obviously, I would have to know what I am doing or I wouldn't even be able to live here. If you have skills, then sharpen them and my kit will cut significant learning curve off marketing your skills. Sure, you don't need it... you could do it yourself... but it would take you an additional years at least months of learning through trial and error. 

 

There are many websites for learning skills, such as: www.eclasses.org

 

But they don't teach you how to market yourself, find the clients or how to setup procedures to make your business run smoothly. 

 

Being an online freelancer is not like running a usual business. You have to wear many hats as an online freelancer. You need to do a bit of accounting, customer service, marketing, etc. 

 

I could refute ever claim every made against me on these boards, but I simply don't have the time. You know why? Because I figured out every angle and because I know 100% my methods work.

 

Can you build nice, functional websites? that's all many clients care about. They don't care if you are an I.T. graduate, or you worked for Microsoft... Maybe they just want a website for $1000.00... can you do it or not? 

 

They don't have time to check your references deeply or test you, there are website procedures in place for that and portfolios. Can you do it or not? Yes? Good... do it and I will pay you. 

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yes i can build websites that are good and work, BUT i dont wanna sell them rubbish, because my way to build code is old and not up to date.

so you grab the good old chinese tradition and cheat the people and produce shit that the world dont need.

i have a reputation to lose and wanna submit professional work. If you sell semi professional work you will soon be put in a section that no one cares anymore about.

 

what you say about it sound all but not professional, sounds like you have no system and its all about marketing yourself but nothing what you really do

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Robk:

So who is to blame you use old and outdated coding? 

 

You want someone to hold your hand and walk to success without you putting in an effort? I didn't say you should sell rubbish, but you don't have to have 10 years experience with a degree in it either. 

 

Did you bother to take a look at my site? 

 

Professional means, you are have the knowledge, skills and reputation that people are willing to pay for. You can learn this yourself, passion is stronger than obligation. You watch the movie "Good Will Hunting"? Remember the line about how the guy wasted 200k on an education he could has received for a $1.50 in late charges from the library?

 

That line is very memorable because it is very true. If you need someone to take your hand and walk to through everything... then don't bother... stay where you are. 

 

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yes, people who buy this stuff need someone to hold their hand. For what else you pay money if you have to do everything by yourself anyways Oo.

 

and yes my coding is not 100% up to date because i do coding as a hobby (html/css) and i dont have the time because i have a full time job (non teaching). And actually i am more into game coding with C# and C++ but i m not good enough to sell it. The thing is at a certain point you will have problems and dont understand everything fully and then you have no teacher

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You know what I find the most interesting from these posts... 

 

There seems to be a lot of interest yet also a lot of skeptics (which is totally fair). I am actually going to change the pitch so it is less infomercial and more informative on one version of the landing page (so thanks for helping on that). 

 

Just today I landed a client in Canada for two website designs for 3k USD. I did this by using the marketing and communication techniques I put in my kit. Knowing the skill isn't enough... you HAVE to have a crash course in these areas (which the new website version will inform upon):

 

- customer service

- finances (how to track your income vs. expenditure, tax deductibles)

- legal issues (such as contacts, guidelines)

- administration (setting up strict system from A-Z on how to handle these clients)

- marketing (know how to market yourself, how to go about getting referrals)

- protection (how to guard your info, back it up, necessary insurance)

 

Obviously, MANY people want to make around 60-100k USD from home. Travel and work where they want, when they want. Perhaps I am just wrapping this up wrong, but the kit, itself, isn't vague at all... it shows direct points and clearly marks them. 

 

The most annoying thing is that this is REAL and it does work. But there have been so many scams that this is automatically tossed into the bunch with them for many of you. If I dressed it up differently, would you see it differently? Purely from a marketing point of view... I may market this as A-B.
So whether or not you wanted to give useful advice or just shoot me down. It is good for me to see the product and confusion through your eyes so I can address those questions on the website and in a FAQ. So thanks a bunch!  

dom87:

i would like to see the websites you built and see how professional your skill got by learning it yourself.

just curious if you are just talented in learning and managed to become professional without studying or if your clients are stupid and dont care

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Sure, this is my newest business: www.snovadesigns.com

 

It's not 100% complete yet... clients before myself lol. But it gives you an idea... 

 

All self-taught, only online courses and learning through trial and error. I am a pretty quick learner however. Actually, I prefer smart clients, so I don't have to explain everything over and over again. Most clients choose you because of your communication more so than your degrees or what you may be referring to as "professional". 

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dom87:

well code is "ok" probably also not up to date as far as i can see.

dont wanna make it bad.

site is overloaded though and after 1min i wanted to quit it without getting any information about the company. Maybe their wishes, dunno.

 

searchengine entries are non exsistend yet or are a disaster, but i guess you didnt do that yet.

 

i dont wanna tell you these self learning stuff isnt a good thing, BUT i guess you like to program and do coding probably even in your free time before you sold it. (like me) 

these only really works if you are 100% into it. You have to keep up to date all the time and i wouldnt say webdesign is a part time job. Not sure how long you need for a website like this and how much you get. Sure it isnt done in a week. (maybe you are faster than me=

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Here are some ideas:

 

Promote yourself as consultant for companies from Europe/Americas/Africa/Oceania

 

Because living in China you understand mentality in China much better than people from other countries working with Chinese companies, depend of your quality you can make up to 200 USD/150 EUR per day. Investigating market in China for import in China or for export from China.  

 

You can during this consultancy service offer QC (quality control) service. Companies usually pay 500 USD+transportation costs for people controlling the goods before loading. Check color name on box and inside of the box to be sure that it is correct, English level of workers in factories is almost equal to 0. etc... etc...

 

Somebody mentioned freelancing, you can work in a team with some Chinese friend for translations Chinese-English / English-Chinese. There are many websites seeking for freelancers. You can also do content writing, logo design, . .

 

Top level of income is selling luxury products to Chinese companies, very difficult but biggest profit. Wine, clothes, accesories. We all know that Chinese are called "walking wallets" in Europe when they enter brand name shops.

 

 

dom87:

all these things together still would give me much less money than i currently get from a full time job and the difference is i dont have to look for work, i still get paid.

free lancing is always a risk finding customers and if you dont get any you dont get any money

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