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Q: Can Muslims be taught to respect women?

In Stavanger Norway, 3/4 convicted rapists over a 3 year period were immigrants. 

This seems like a BS response. Why address a problem that doesn't exist I have yet to hear 1 bleeding heart admit the problem exists!

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2016/aug/01/norway-muslim-immigr...

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respect means loosening of control.

some sad sacks only feel like men (generalisation i know) when they are oppressing someone, whether it is women, children, or other men in positions of less power.

 

some muslim countries don't even allow the sale of tampons because this would allow women to have greater autonomy (over their bodies) every month, and not confine or shame them remaining at home.

look at how some women are taught to believe that the use of tampons will 'damage' their virginity - this is nothing but a huge piece of BS, yet millions of women can not access even basic sanitary products.

a few years ago women in Zimbabwe were advised to use animal skins but resorted to smuggling in products that many of us take for granted.

 

heaven forbid women have some degree of autonomy and control over their natural functions angry

there are probably still millions of men world wide ( mostly in Africa and the Middle East i suspect) who regret that women have been taught to read.....

 

the recent death of Maryam Mirzakhani shows that women are capable of achieving success in areas traditionally considered 'male'.

 

there will be some people who will pay lip-service to the orientation being given for the sake of the benefits they receive.

but there is no doubt some of the guys will feel emasculated by any country that insists they treat women with respect, and not second-class (sometimes even non-citizens)  

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thank you blondie,,, gosh,, isn't it strange how some males treat females?  yet they all,,, as far as I know about biology,, had a female mommy.

 

u ever seen those stoning videos,,,,, I'll never be the same...  jeez,, people are Demons. plain and simple.

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there are clearly some people threatened by the words i post. 

 

yes, diverdude, all people have a mother, yet there is a percentage of men that sees women purely as a baby maker and/or something to f***, not as a person.

 

thankfully there are many guys in this world who are not threatened by a woman who wants to lead a challenging, productive, intellectually stimulating, fun life - a life based on equality.

and i am thankful for being able to associate with many of these guys, men who are confident enough to combine being masculine with being respectful and supportive to women, and treat us like equals - real men another-words.

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respect means loosening of control.

some sad sacks only feel like men (generalisation i know) when they are oppressing someone, whether it is women, children, or other men in positions of less power.

 

some muslim countries don't even allow the sale of tampons because this would allow women to have greater autonomy (over their bodies) every month, and not confine or shame them remaining at home.

look at how some women are taught to believe that the use of tampons will 'damage' their virginity - this is nothing but a huge piece of BS, yet millions of women can not access even basic sanitary products.

a few years ago women in Zimbabwe were advised to use animal skins but resorted to smuggling in products that many of us take for granted.

 

heaven forbid women have some degree of autonomy and control over their natural functions angry

there are probably still millions of men world wide ( mostly in Africa and the Middle East i suspect) who regret that women have been taught to read.....

 

the recent death of Maryam Mirzakhani shows that women are capable of achieving success in areas traditionally considered 'male'.

 

there will be some people who will pay lip-service to the orientation being given for the sake of the benefits they receive.

but there is no doubt some of the guys will feel emasculated by any country that insists they treat women with respect, and not second-class (sometimes even non-citizens)  

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thank you blondie,,, gosh,, isn't it strange how some males treat females?  yet they all,,, as far as I know about biology,, had a female mommy.

 

u ever seen those stoning videos,,,,, I'll never be the same...  jeez,, people are Demons. plain and simple.

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there are clearly some people threatened by the words i post. 

 

yes, diverdude, all people have a mother, yet there is a percentage of men that sees women purely as a baby maker and/or something to f***, not as a person.

 

thankfully there are many guys in this world who are not threatened by a woman who wants to lead a challenging, productive, intellectually stimulating, fun life - a life based on equality.

and i am thankful for being able to associate with many of these guys, men who are confident enough to combine being masculine with being respectful and supportive to women, and treat us like equals - real men another-words.

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You can take the pig out of the shit hole but it's still a pig

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Just like you can't take the Botany Bay convict out of an Australian or just like you can't make the Ossie convict speak proper English.  Same bullshit redneck logic all the way around.  More of the white folks in control around here kind of crap.  Move on folks, the days of empire and poo bah are long over.  Get some humility or at least sober up.

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Who you calling white ? Gringo As for drinking i think you got me confused with Sudsy Alan

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Friends in Harbin tell me that  they saw you bloody drunk on numerous occasions. ....Australian hobby I think.

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You are full of shit Marcos. I don't believe a pompus bullshiter such as yourself would have any friends.

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According to some local news reports apparently there is a Glory hole named after Marcos .

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And my little Ossie convict, you fell right into the shithole...

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Haha Is that the best you can do Punta?

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Hey Iwolf get a load of that Lady boy Macos. You would think he would half a brain if he really worked for an NGO...lol

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No.

 

hey marcos,, haha,,u r a dick.  first, look stoning or murder of a woman in the muslime 'culture' for something simple, u can find on internet.   then, if u still defend muslime,, let me know on this forum.  then if u have any balls,, we will figure out a personal contact system.  I'll meet you one to one.  sorry, can't say Man-to-Man.  waiting,,,,, u dirty creature.......

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I am really sorry to  learn that you have a case of AIDS of the mind, a cancer of the soul, an addiction to drugs and to alcohol and otherwise you are just a perfect candidate for a job in the White House along with the rest of the newly afflicted.  Try AA please ... it might help.  If that fails, jump out of a window.  That might work

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You are kind to care for others.  Thanks.  :)

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Sorry,,,,, haha,, my reply may have been a bit stupid,, I am a bit of a drunk,,,  I'm trying not to be,,, but I doubt I'll change.  hey, I didn't mean to be mean to u,, but ,, i still think u should steer away from any Ethos that teaches cruelty to others......  I wish u well inyour life.  Peace out, bro.

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You are not a bit of a drunk ... you are a full drunk and probably a heroin addict too.

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Yeah, Even China is more progressive than those countries. That sounds pretty hopeless.

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It is impossible for Muslims to be respectful of women, I say this because I have been to every Muslim country and it simply does not exist. In fact, you would be surprised how many Muslim countries actually tell them what they are allowed to study and learn and school with no personal options for education whatsoever. Probably hopeless for at least another generation, Indonesia and Malaysia may come around first, but it's a slow progressive process. Most people have forgotten how they wiped out all the Christians and churches in Indonesia the 80's though, but I was there trying to save the few I could and sending as many Muslims as I could to paradise. Fighting in vain is a common problem though.

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It depends but most people will take the advantage and rarely give it up if they are told "it is right"...  Men have a HUGE advantage over women in Sharia Law. 

 

They aren't just going to give it up... and it seems like the people that should be mad at them "liberals" and "feminists" actually stick up for their way of life. 

 

So probably not going to happen unless the Muslim women do something radical about it. 

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AMEN!

 

it seems like the people that should be mad at them "liberals" and "feminists" actually stick up for their way of life. 

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Englteachted:

In Stavanger Norway, 3/4 convicted rapists over a 3 year period were immigrants.

 

Yup.  How many rapes.

 

I suspect the Nazies one a few rapes. Fucking Nazi immigrants.

 

Keep with the number 4. Nazis... maybe 40k?

 

I have no idea. How many Norwegians did The Nazis kill... I have no idea.

 

Now you say 3 out of 4 concvicted rapists in Norway were immigrants. Is that 3 rapes, 3 thousand rapes or 3 million rapes?

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/europes-rape-epidemic-western...

 

 

Wow. There is a problem..

 

The problem is, that when I try to get actual facts, the internet is just awash waith crap. The actual real facts are so far down the line they are in the ether.

 

I have no problem at all accepting your numbers. 3/4's of rapes in Norway are committed by migrants. I accept your fact no problem, no issue, no arguement. Fine. It's a fucking rock solid fact.

 

Now tell me how many rapes there was in Norway last year. And the year before that. Go back 50 years. Go back to Nazi occupation if you like.

 

Make sure to add times lines when rape was redefined under law. For example, most countries have a date when raping a spouse became a crime. That affects the numbers.

 

You could do a PHD on this shit. Probably thousands done already..

 

Numbers are pretty important. And I don't know the numbers. At a guess, 100 rapes in Norway last year, 10k in USA, 70k in Syria?  I have no idea. Nor does the OP.

 

Is it religion or is it culture? I suspect culture. And Norway is a country in a good position to research it and present solutions. Education being the key of course. Indeed, given the progressive socialist nature of Norway, it's not difficult to see why they should be the target of right wing racist bigots.  Their North sea oil fund is prety fucking amazing.

 

Am I a Muslim apologist?

 

Nope.... I substitute words. Words that sound different, but mean the same to the haters.

 

When I read the word Muslim, I hear the word Jew. I see the Nazi propagana. And I cant tell the difference between what Breitbart says now, and what the Nazis were saying 80 years ago.  The target has changed, thats all. I recall the ship, full of jews, that was denied permission to dock, denied...sent to France... most died. MS St Louis from memory. Now we have services to say sorry to them. Now we live in a world where we cry as we think of Anne Frank ( not on ship of course)

 

But a Child called Mohammad is a cockroach?

 

Shame on you. That is really fucking disgusting.  That puts you on the same level as the people who gassed Anne Frank. Fucking shit.

 

Now the point of this rambing post.

 

It is false news that Muslims do not demonstrate against terror attacks. They do. The Mail and Breitbart dont report it. And nor does the left wing press. Go figure.

 

And just as my Muslim brothers and sisters are being told to fight against radical elements in their ranks, I am doing the same in mine.

 

Idiot right wing ideology is a danger in this world.. Possibly the biggest danger.

 

 

 

 

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https://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1754

 

A conservative newspaper in Europe, how in the hell do they stay in business? I suppose a rape rate six times higher than New York City but was half New York City a decade ago is just "fake News".

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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/muslim_sacralized_rape_and_feminized_sweden.html

 

So they kick out 1000 most violent muslims and the crime rate dropped 30 percent, just a coincidence i suppose.

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Not so very many years ago, Oslo was virtually a rape-free city, inhabited by people who had been brought up on civilized notions of mutual respect and tolerance.

 

 

You mean the good old days before progressives screwed up the country, yes, i remember those days quite fondly, but we all have to evolve, Damn, where is my prayer blanket?, lost another one, like gloves and umbrellas, hard to keep track of.

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http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/august/culture-crisis-norway-tackles-muslim-immigration-/?mobile=false

 

a liberal newspaper admitting a problem, never, fire the writer the writer and editor immediately, norway is perfect.

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http://www.newsinenglish.no/2014/02/26/rape-statistics-surprised-researchers/

 

So, according to official research from the Norwegian government, about 10% of all Norwegian women have been victims of rape (and aobut 1% of men). "Most" knew their assailant, and half had been raped before they were 18 years old.... And yet, according to RiC and Engles... Muslim men account for 3/4 of all rape perpetrators in Norway's prisons these days (over the last few years).

 

So, if we believe both statistics, that would mean that MOST WOMEN IN NORWAY ARE MUSLIM! (either that, or there's a whole pile of BS being thrown around.... 

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shining, if there was virtually no rape a decade ago in Norway, and now this a serious problem, what is your interpretations of the facts and what are we missing?

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"shining, if there was virtually no rape a decade ago in Norway, and now this a serious problem, what is your interpretations of the facts and what are we missing?"

 

What are we missing? Firstly, good reliable data. NONE of the above links actually show reliable numbers & data! They reference, and there's a line or 2 here and there - but NOTHING about the full data set (and, as we know, it's easy to hide the BS when you don't have the data!)

 

One line I noticed (which, frankly, I had to read carefully to notice) was "Recent police statistics showed that in the capital city of Oslo, 100 percent of assault rapes between strangers were committed by immigrant, non-Western males"

 

Do you notice that qualification??? From an article and links that are saying "1005 of all rapes are committed by Muslims", it's now "well - only those where the assailant wasn't known". Which, if anyone has bothered to look at the stats will know that that's only about 10% of rapes! (unfortunately, I don't have actual numbers....

 

So, "All rapes in Norway is committed by Muslims" is BLATANTLY UNTRUE, and obviously it's designed to say that as a propaganda tool...which you all fell for, because critical thinking isn't highly valued to people who love to hate!

 

RE: the 14 year old girl who was gang-raped. Very sad, and the perpetrators ought to be castrated, and flayed alive, and other such similar things.... However, the fact that one of them got off with 'community service' is NOT related to religion... it's related to the lack of sufficient evidence. Sucks! BAD... but it happens (all too often, and all around the world!)

 

@RiC and Ambi... when you read that headline "100% of all rapes in Oslo are committed by Muslims:, did you actually believe it? (come on, try being honest here...).

 

Do either of you deny that the headline is intentionally sensationalist, (as well as inaccurate).

 

And, would either of you deny that it was wrong to have had that headline (knowing that it's actually not true)?

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shining, what are other immigrants besides Muslims are coming into Norway, what are the numbers? I would assume that 80 percent of the immigrants at least were Muslims without doubting the numbers, but your welcome to prove me wrong. Perhaps, half the immigrants were drunk Australians and it's there fault, then I stand corrected.

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The sad dirty little secret here is the government is protecting there immigrant policy mistake by pressuring citizens not to report or rock the boat in many EU countries, like the coverup for a decade of pakistan men with teenage girls in England in my next post below, so we don't know how many women have really been raped and I automatically assume the numbers reported are only 20 to 40 percent of the real numbers depending on the country. Some women don't want the stigma, don't want their husband or family to know, don't want publicity or gossip, this problems is much more serious than what we are discussing and if this forum had more women, it would be a more heated discussion. Finally, my 20 to 40 number, i consider to be conservative and fear that it is much worse.

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The only good thing I see in this European refugee chaos is maybe European women have some balls like American women, the men are certainly metrosexual wusses that don't have any fire in the belly. More American women own guns now than men, and this relapse of women's rights with Sharia law want happen in America, while the men play snowflake and "we love you, why can't we get along", the women are going to making these sexists wish they were in paradise all over the country. It is going to be a nice show in Europe, trying to convince people that there is no danger, lack of coverage, but people on the ground really see the problem, Will European women vote for security over progressive policies and if progressives keep saying this is normal to have terrorism, will they believe it, I don't know how much longer this charade can go on, and frankly I'm surprised how long it has lasted so far. Yes, immigrant Muslim rape of your women is terrorism, self inflicted terrorism, the worst stupid kind.

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@RiC...

 

"I would assume 80% of the immigrants at least are Muslims without doubting the figures"....

 

That's your quote!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway

 

You are dead-set 100% WRONG.

 

And, yes, your 'assume' did exactly what it means (except for the 'u' bit!)

 

This link (from Jan this year) has most immigrants from (NOT surprisingly) Sweden, Poland, Lithuania. Ys, there are a good percentage coming from other countries with a strong Muslim population, but as the data further down suggests (although a little old :(  ), the number of Muslim immigrants was dropping

 

Some C&P:

 

In 2012, net immigration was 47,300, a national record high. About 62% of the immigrants were European citizens.[7] The largest immigrant groups were Poles and Lithuanians who mainly came as labour immigrants, followed by Somalis and Eritreans who mainly came as refugees. Other countries in the top ten were RomaniaLatvia, the PhilippinesSpainAfghanistan and Thailand.[8].

 

Immigration has altered the religious demography of Norway. Among the immigrants, 250,030 have background from predominantly Christian countries, 119,662 from predominantly Muslim countries, 28,942 from mostly Buddhistcountries, and 7,224 from countries that are predominantly Hindu.[14] The proportion of Muslim immigrants has fallen drastically in recent years, from about 80% in 2000 to less than 20% in 2007.[15]

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Since when did rape and murder become a numbers game? Tell that to rape victims that their suffering is not important enough to warrant doing anything about

 

You guys are fucking pathetic. 

Excusing rape and murder in order to promote immigration

Shining_brow:

Ummm - since you guys decided to denigrate and entire group of people based on the actions of only a few...

 

There are a few murders and rapes.... but you want to punish 100% of the group.

 

When did that become a sane option?

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Another fallacy, no is saying every single Muslim anything, but look at the stats, a high percentage don't believe in respecting women well over 50%

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Englteachted:

Oh and refusing entry to a country is not punishment, no one has a right to a visa

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"no is saying every single Muslim anything,"

 

You don't read anyone else's posts on here - do you?? Here I am, saying that not every Muslim is evil and full of hate... and 'people' <cough> respond saying that I live in la-la land.... 

 

As for your next bit.... if you're going to 'quote' statistics (which you're not - you're being sensationalist!), don't ignore the opposite side... even if your stat was right (50%), that still means that the other 50 % don't agree,and thus, do respect women!

 

As for the rights and visas.... firstly, people are bashing all Muslims (as you well know and refuse to acknowledge!!!!). That includes the ones who are citizens of the various countries who are talking about this (US, Can, Aus, Ger, Fra, Nor, Swe, Den, etc etc). So, for many millions of people, that bit just doesn't cut it! Secondly, I'm also talking about refugees from war-torn countries (often, only war-torn because of US intervention in its politics) They may not have a 'right' to a visa, but they ought to have a right to a safe life (although, I'm willing to bet that you don't think so... at least, not for them. However, all Americans (non-Muslim, obviously) do have that right....).

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When I hear about the rape committed in these countries skyrocketing... Sweden, Germany and Norway... I get really pissed off. I know it is those god damn Muslims... 

 

I want you all to do me a favour that don't agree. Recently there has been the problems in Syria... the media is screaming to let the Syrian children and women in... yet it seems to be entirely men... on top of that... WHY THE FUCK ARE 90% of them from Pakistan? Is there a war there I haven't heard about? Go check it out on Youtube... see for yourselves... the locals of many European countries are mad as hell. 

 

Why are they leaving their women and children in war torn countries? 

 

I have personally witnessed a young group of Muslim boys sexually assaulting a caucasian female. I was very young at the time and didn't realize what was happening. And it probably scarred me. These sick bastards have no place in a civlized country. 

 

They have been taught to hate all that do not believe in Allah. And that is all of you! 

 

 

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Today: http://www.newsweek.com/woman-arrested-wearing-mini-skirt-saudi-arabia

The outfit caused uproar in a country where a justice system based on Wahhabism prohibits liberal dress. Under the strict religious code, women must cover themselves and wear full-length all-black robes known as abaya.

Let's all apologise, you first Shining Clown

ambivalentmace:

After the beating and scars from 100 lashes every 2 weeks for a little more than a 3 month period, after 6 months of confinement, and about 3 months to recuperate she will be released. This is the usual punishment for this. The problem is the embarrassment to the government, so 900 lashes want be enough, they will make an example out of her, and of course every male worker at the jail and friends, relatives that wants her body will get free access at night when the lights are out.

 

nothing good will come out this at all.

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I was reading about that a few days ago, I'm shocked that they tracked her down. So sad.

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Your wasting your time mate. People like burger boy and Sudsy will never understand what the real world is like. They think this shit is made up . Well do gooders ...go to those shit holes and have a look . Go and experience the wonders of the peaceful religion. And fucking stay there

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/21/norways-muslims-form-pro_n_6727...

 

Norway’s Muslims Form Protective Human Ring Around Oslo’s Synagogue

 

So... what is this? Fake news - it never really happened?

 

Or are you going to suggest that those 1000 people aren't real Muslims? (or even Muslims at all, and it was actually a group of Christians dressed up as Muslims, and lied about their religion??)

 

or... what's your excuse this time?

Shining_brow:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/muslims-christmas-charity-work-east-london-mosque-what-muslims-will-be-doing-a7492751.html

 

More false news?? Or just fake Muslims?

 

 

http://nypost.com/2016/04/27/good-muslims-are-quietly-looking-out-for-all-of-us/

 

How about this one? Is this fake too??

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-famous-muslims-us-history

 

For all you Merikans who need to feel the hate - is this all lies and BS as well??

 

http://www.chicagonow.com/midwestern-muslim/2014/01/muslims-dont-contribute-to-america-think-again/

 

And this one??

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And who were they protecting it from? Don't omit that part

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"And who were they protecting it from? Don't omit that part"

 

A) why?? We already know there are fucktards in the world who hate others so much they'll happily kill them.  (some even frequent forums in China

 

B) I notice how, once again, you've ignored every other bit of evidence - and one focus on the one bad bit you could take out of it... Willful ignorance! Total hate!! You are no better than the Taliban and IS.

 

 

 

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A few good ones justify letting all of them in, including the bad ones, Poland did not believe that crap when Macron tried to make them feel guilty for not letting any Muslims in their country. I'm sure Japan and China want buy that argument either, maybe Poland should be my next stop or Slovenia.

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"A few good ones..."

 

Are you fucking kidding me?????

 

Even those fools who are agreeing with you are giving statistics in the range of 50%... that's NOT "a few good ones".

 

(unless, of course, you have a serious pathological hatred...) 

 

 

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Iwolf, thank you for posting that Breitbart link.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/07/government-report-fgm-30-per-...

 

FGM is a massive issue. It is cultural stupidity that should be eradicated. I totally agree.

 

I follow Breitbart, and in the past few days they ran a story about FGM in Scotland. It's disgusting. Chopping bits off kids.Wow. I even heard they chop the foreskins from baby boys dicks in some places.

 

I totally agree, any genital mutilation of Children is totally wrong.

 

I have no issue with the numbers quoted in the article, and I agree it is a North African custom. And I agree that within Germany, it will be migrants who are sexually mutilating their daughters. I have no idea how many boys have their foreskins lobbed off in Germany, and quite right too.... that's politically sensitive.

 

Here is the but... This bit here, that I quote:

 

"FGM is common in some Muslim and African societies, where it is used to suppress and control female sexuality. The government document directly linked its rise in Germany to immigration, explaining:"

 

True. It's the word order that troubles me. Some Muslim and African Countries. The emphasis seems to be on Muslims.  Lets go on... Quote

 

"Most of the women living in Germany who have suffered FGM originate from Eritrea, Somalia, Egypt, Ethiopia, and Iraq."

 

I have limited knowledge, but I am pretty sure Ethiopia is Christian.

 

Lets dig deeper. Breitbart is suggesting FGM is a Muslim and North African Issue. No mention at all about Christians...or Jews

 

WHO says this:

 

"in most societies, where FGM is practised, it is considered a cultural tradition, which is often used as an argument for its continuation."

 

Link is here:

 

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

 

The breitbart article might be factual, but it is misleading. FGM is cultural. Breitbart is not claiming it is an Islamic custom, but anyone reading that article could be led to believe it is. It is clever writing, designed to inflame passion and hatred.

 

I mentioned the word Jew above. Yup, because some sects of Jews do FGM too.  Lets ignore the Jews and their adversion to foreskins. God says to lop it off after all.

 

FGM is a terrible terrible crime, committed by ignorant parents in the name of culture. An ignorant barbaric culture. We all know what ignorant people are capable of.

 

Research it. Understand it.

 

If you skip read the Breitbart article, print it out, fold it to a bullet shape, and load it into your anti Muslim waist mounted 6 shooter, then you are ignorant too.

 

Dumb people fall for propaganda.  Left and right. Rise above it.

ScotsAlan:

As an add.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Aslan

 

This guy knows his stuff. His interview on Fox news is an all time classic. If you have a VPN, you gotta look it up on youtube.

 

Wow.... its here.... in China...

 

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTg5MDMyNjA0.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2

 

 

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It is more cultural in Africa and some Muslims would surprise you that don't do this.

Saudi Arabia does not, but most Sunnis and even the moderate Kurds do this. Eritrea is almost 100 percent for this, where the legion does desert training for France. Ethiopia is about 45 percent Christian but the Muslims will run the country with in a decade or so, they are about 34 percent right now.

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I think you have me wrong. I'm not anti muslim. I am anti-dickheads killing people or mutilating women or hurting kids, in the name of religion. I'm coming to believe that religion is the problem. Hell, look at the crazy shit half of the white bread Christians believe. Islam is just so in your face and overt with their indignation and eagerness to flaut the laws in the countries which welcome them. When in rome and all that.....

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_mutilation

 

Probably a sane way to look at this argument...

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Also...

 

"The Greek geographer Strabo (c. 64 BCE – c. 23 CE) wrote about FGM after visiting Egypt around 25 BCE.[t][u] The philosopher Philo of Alexandria (c. 20 BCE – 50 CE) also made reference to it: "the Egyptians by the custom of their country circumcise the marriageable youth and maid in the fourteenth (year) of their age, when the male begins to get seed, and the female to have a menstrual flow."[154] It is mentioned briefly in a work attributed to the Greek physician Galen (129 – c. 200 CE): "When [the clitoris] sticks out to a great extent in their young women, Egyptians consider it appropriate to cut it out."[v]

Another Greek physician, Aëtius of Amida (mid-5th to mid-6th century CE), offered more detail in book 16 of his Sixteen Books on Medicine, citing the physician Philomenes. The procedure was performed in case the clitoris, or nymphê, grew too large or triggered sexual desire when rubbing against clothing. "On this account, it seemed proper to the Egyptians to remove it before it became greatly enlarged", Aëtius wrote, "especially at that time when the girls were about to be married":"

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Cant say it any better than this:

 

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTg5MDMyNjA0.html?from=s1.8-1-1.2

 

 

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Islamic Scholars on Female Genital Mutilation Islamic scholars disagree on FGM: some say no obligatory rules exist while others refer to the mention of female circumcision in the Hadith. According to Sami A. Aldeeb Abu Sahlieh, a Palestinian-Swiss specialist in Islamic law: The most often mentioned narration reports a debate between Muhammed and Um Habibah (or Um 'Atiyyah). This woman, known as an exciser of female slaves, was one of a group of women who had immigrated with Muhammed. Having seen her, Muhammad asked her if she kept practicing her profession. She answered affirmatively, adding: "unless it is forbidden, and you order me to stop doing it." Muhammed replied: "Yes, it is allowed. Come closer so I can teach you: if you cut, do not overdo it, because it brings more radiance to the face, and it is more pleasant for the husband."[38] Abu Sahlieh further cited Muhammad as saying, "Circumcision is a sunna (tradition) for the men and makruma (honorable deed) for the women."[39] While some clerics say circumcision is not obligatory for women, others say it is. "Islam condones the sunna circumcision ... What is forbidden in Islam is the pharaonic circumcision,"[40] one religious leader explained. Others, such as the late rector of Al-Azhar University, Sheikh Gad al-Haq, said that since the Prophet did not ban female circumcision, it was permissible and, at the very least, could not be banned.[41] In short, some clerics condemn FGM as an archaic practice, some accept it, and still others believe it to be obligatory. It is the job of clerics to interpret religious literature; it is not the job of FGM researchers and activists. There is a certain tendency to confuse a liberal interpretation of Islam with the reality women face in many predominately Islamic regions. To counter FGM as a practice, it is necessary to accept that Islam is more than just a written text. It is not the book that cuts the clitoris, but its interpretations aid and abet the mutilation.

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Middle East forum... tag... protecting American interests.

 

Dude. Are you serious?

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not every American slants their views, the article is very accurate, a few mistakes but not major, the fact it was discussed in 2007 and no one quotes it was a surprise given the attention that now has come to the light. I have read this journal for years, especially when I had to work in the Middle east, sometimes it kept me alive. Sources are footnoted, they quote the New York times and liberal publications. Just because I have biases, does not mean I don't read both sides and the moderate middle of a topic. I hope one Muslim country that is tolerant of other religions manages to stop the practice, I did have high hopes for Indonesia, but probably not going to happen.

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Wow. I bet you have Sebastian Gorka on your twitter feed.

 

Do you know who Gorka is?

 

I do. I researched him. I downloaded his PHD to my phone and studied it. Months ago.

 

That link you posted is in bat shit crazy Gorka land.

 

It is ultra right wing mad stuff, that is designed to make usual bat shit republican madness look ok. It's a shifting of the stupid populist masses to the far right, to make the middle right look sane. Lets push Trump so far he cracks... then Pence looks normal.

 

Then there will be quiet after the storm. All back to normal. All are exhausted.

 

Then they will dig the coal and frack the gas... and fuck you over.

 

Research the website. Who paid for it? Who funded it?

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I don't use any social media, very seldom email, everything you do is recorded somewhere, I don't even use bank cards or credit cards. Hell, I don't even fly commercial. If i take a train, i use a different passport.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Forum

 

Middle east forum. Right wing funded.

 

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So what is the left wing funded equivalent?

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I am posting as an answer to the above, rather than a comment, so the links work.

 

OMG... another Gorka..

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pipes

 

 

That's that then. Discussion has ended. Not that it even started.

 

Brown people bad, white people good. God is white. Islam is bad.

 

Fine. No problem. You have a million websites that says so.

 

The famous words of Megyn Kelly, ex Fox anchor, and an appointed quizzer on a Presidential debate... " But Santa is white... don't worry kids... Santa is white

". She threw an easy question at Trump... he suggested blood coming out.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/13/megyn-kelly-responds-to-critics-ove...

 

 

Megyn Kelly... Respect women...Fox news.... oh wait.... Roger Ailes.... the sex abuser... erm wait... Bill guy... Ahh yeah... Bill oReily..

 

Paid millions out over sex discrimination.

 

But don't worry, they are good Christians.....

 

Oh shit... hope they are not Catholic.

 

Cos they don't abuse women, they abuse kids. Or is that false news?   OMFG, I just Binged it. Catholic priests are raping kids everywhere. They have been buggering boys for hundreds of years. I had no idea. BBC, CNN, NBC, SKY.... they all say priests have been buggering boys.

 

Breitbart... nope. Not there. Milo says it's ok to bugger boys..

 

Mainstream media... fake news... Breitbart good. It's ex London editor says an adult cock up a teenage boys bum will do him good.  Teach him good conservative values ( I made up the latter, but not the former).

 

But yeah, looking forward to the " Can Catholics be taught to respects kids and not fuck them?" thread

 

 

ambivalentmace:

how many filipino maids have had their passport taken, made a sex slave for the saudi male of the house and the boys of the house, so the saudi girls can remain virgins and who cares the filipino is catholic, she can be forgiven completely just by going to a Catholic priest when she gets back home if they don't kill her.

 

all religions are screwed up, some more than others, the fact we know about perverted priest is western values and accountability, but in the Muslim world, you don't even get 10 percent of the real story.

 

The future will bring it out i hope but internet crack downs, liberals trying to cover up atrocities in the virtuous idea of harmony and multiculturalism are trying their best to make everyone feel secure, but the facts on the ground just does not match the press.

 

The last American election was just the beginning, the more you hide things, the more leaks and anger that comes out. I really think the support of Islam in the face of women's rights going back to the dark ages is going to be one of the worse periods of journalism discussed centuries from now as a total embarrassment. I never worry about today, it's the effect 5,10,30 years from now. The sad fact that my daughter may only be safe living in China or Japan bothers me tremendously.

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Slavery (aka "human trafficking") is an issue all around the world... conducted by arseholes from ALL societies, from ALL ethnicities, and ALL cultures and religions....

 

Perhaps interestingly, with only ONE common reason - money!

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