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Q: China so great, you are joking???
Let's start with the visa laws governing teachers. 1) you have to have a degree to teach legally in this 'New Switzerland or is it Sweden' ? 2) the students are so bright/smart, that a degree is necessary, not a Teachers Diploma (as I have from Aust. over 3 yrs study) not good enuf for our students
.Never mind that most are either 'brain-dead' or 'brain-washed', thankfully you get the few gems that make this job worthwhile/interesting. 3) if you are so 'lucky' to score a job & eligible for a visa, you must return to your home country (at your expense) to process visa.
All for this great salary(?) & chance to live in the most polluted & dirty country in the world.
You have to be fuckn joking??!! They should be begging for more native teachers to come here. Their english, in the main is shit.
Beijing, as capital of China, should be the showpiece of this wonderful country, its claim to fame is anything but. In recent (true, not Chinese ) polls it has been the most polluted & most traffic congested city in the world. Well done CCP.
BTW ~ almost 20% of cars on BJ roads are...u guessed it.. Govt cars!! What a joke this country is.
Lets not even mention their Health, Education, Welfare Systems etc.
I really think these so called 'leaders'are walking around with their fingers stuck up their arses, they are living in a surreal/dream world.
I would surely understand if this was a e.g. Sweden, lovely clean air/water, transport, welfare, civilised people etc the rules would be strict, many would want to enter. BUT, this is still a cesspool, in many ways.
It also pertains to the way the CCP are becoming the bullys of Asia. I'm an Aussie, and resent this Govt. trying to tell us what to do eg you cant see the Da Lamai etc Fuck you!
I'm not an idiot (think?) I know their economic power is pervasive, but does it equal political/social/cultural power. I think not. CHINA has a long way to go & being 'led' by these so called leaders will not help them fulfilling their destiny in the world.
Any ideas?
Nice rant. Maybe China is not for you :)
What you see in China is proof that a Double Standard is not twice as good as a normal Standard.
It is amazing that people like you are in china. All you do is bitch . If it is so bad why are you there? Maybe if you could get a job in the country you are from you would not be there. Stop bitching and get on with it.
Iron_Monkey:
Unfortunate but true, more bad than good comes out of this forum.
I don't even know if Chinese people attack each other on local Chinese forums like foreigners attack each other here.
dom87:
wouldnt be too sure if this one is a foreigner if you read his other comments. either he is chinese or he just hates foreigners
If a teachers diploma isnt good here, and yet you have one, why not go someplace that it is good?
Logic, FTW.
Englteachted:
Because virtually all 3rd world countries have become sophisticated enough to know that a "Diploma" is not a "Degree".
Expletives aside, the points are valid. I wouldn't be in this forsaken stinkhole either if my own government had just let my wife into the country. Now I have kids, so leaving is out of the question. I just hope that one day China goes too far with its nationalism, so that my government will be forced to take in me and my wife as refugees. That, or being killed by this braindead mob,willsolve all my problems. I wonder if I'll get strangled with a pair of fake brand-name jeans, or my skull bashed in with an iPhone. Maybe a government drone will lead the charge by running me over in his Audi. My life is a joke here, so it's better to laugh than cry about it.
Visco8:
Ya ~ ur so right!! I usually do, but lately they just gettin to me..
The original question is quite right Scandinavian and Franck. Just because we are here are we not allowed to see or point the problems of this country in the same way as would with any other country, or is it you have your China goggles on all the time. I have been here nearly three years out of choice but that does not stop me seeing the crap that goes on day in and day out. Even my wife and her mother say that one of the biggest problems here is the huge number of ignorant and rude people, and that's coming from an elderly woman who has lived through everything the communist system has thrown at her. As I have asked other people when this subject comes up, if China is so great why do most Chinese, if given the chance, want to get out.
We are also looking at our next move somewhere else in Asia. I have met a lot of nice people here and have many friends, both Chinese and non-Chinese but that does not blind me to the problems here. Let's face it in many ways China is a s**t hole and we all know it is going to take many many years for it to really improve. There are several people who post on this site that have the attitude of China is wonderful and refuse to admit that the middle kingdom is not heaven on earth. Just taking the pollution problem; why would anyone, if they have a choice at all, choose to live in a country where it is harmful/dangerous to even breath the air. Thumbs up Visco8 for speaking the truth.
Visco8:
Thanks Tom for that. I just call it as I see it.
Also, I'm usually quite pissed (drunk) when I write.
Live in China, cos it offers me flexible working time, I used hate teaching 8~4 in Aust.
Things I like are cheaper eg smoking, taxis, skinless chicken breasts, DVDs, rentals etc & I generally enjoy the work
. I, do resent the 'China lovers' for not seeing/acknowledging the problems/issues in everyday living here. I mean eg its not brain surgery to admit that ...wait for me to get out of lift before you push in! WTF. The bloody lift isn't going anywhere. Its still gonna be there after I exit. How can you have any respect for people that do that kinda shit??Ahh, I'm raving again...sorry. Am having a bad China time lately.
I think it's up to the individual on how one feels about this country. Every country has it's own laws and quirks. If it doesn't fit in with your lifestyle then perhaps this isn't the country for you. If it's so bad then look somewhere else. You don't have to put up with the crap and sh*t if you don't want to. Nobody's forcing you. Everyone has a choice. In doing so, you should ask yourself why you are here in the first place. Is it because of a job (any job), money or you just needed to go somewhere and China looked nice and dandy then? One should not bring along one's own customs, habits, likes and dislikes when traveling to any country. Even truly civilized and fully developed countries have their own quirks that may not seem pleasing to you. I am sure we can say many things about Japan, Korea, the US and the UK. Don't they all have their own laws and also their own weird people? I think that one should just suck it up if you want to live here. Otherwise, there are always greener pastures.
Whatever country you live in you will probably find things about it you don't like or find difficult to understand.
Even in my home country there are things i find unacceptable, but that doesn't stop me from taking the good and wanting to change the bad.
For me, it is a case of adapt or die: adapt myself or my local environment to make my life more tolerable.
While you can not change your background cultural environment, you can use it to make your own small part of the world better (according to your own views on things).
Sitting on your *** complaining all the time is not going to change anything, and yes, there are many things i would like to see changed in China and my home country.
Waiting/expecting someone else to make any change, however minor, can be an exercise in time wasting. And yes, I make small changes to make my home country a better place.
At least if you are foreign and you find your life intolerable, you have the option to leave. Most people in the country don't.
Yes, we all have BCD's, but only you can decide if this is how your life is going to be e every day.
Well, it also depends on where exactly you live in China. 
Well no one is stopping you from leaving. Almost 8 years here and I still can't feel what you are feeling bro.. Yes lots of things will tick us off, but that goes for any country, even I could rant about my home country the U.S for hours, but I don't. Just do whatever it is you have to do, but I think you should leave China...
Maybe you are having a bad China day. If so, most of us here can relate. China is all those things you have mentioned. But there is also more to China than just those things. Why not take a look behind the scenes. Find out why Chinese society is the way it is. This is an interesting journey in itself. Many thinking Chinese (yes, there are some) can even help you in this matter. They have an inkling, if not a full understanding, of their state of existence on the world scene. Many of them are really trying to open their eyes.
But I like what sorrel said, that everyone needs to find their place in society, or failing to do that, should leave for another. You are not trapped here as the vast majority of locals are. If you can't find something worthy of your presence here, maybe you should leave.
Something is psychologically wrong with you. I got my degree in a field that offers very little to no employment opportunities, that was my fault not America's fault. You wasted your time studying for Diplomas not a Degree, that is your fault. Fields that require degrees do not accept Diplomas (you could have 20 diplomas and they still will say, "you do not have a degree") Adopting standards is never a bad thing. Your post attempts to equate China's real problems with something China is doing right. Pollution, territorial disputes, requiring a degree; which one does not fit?
I have taught here for a long time, university students. The overwhelming majority of my university students have been hardworking and studious. On behalf of the wonderful students I have had, go fuck yourself, you are a loser.
You do not have the stated requirements to teach in this country or any country I can think of but you insult the students? You are not a teacher, you are a mentally damaged, immature, asshole.
No where in the world can a diploma take the place of a real degree.
Some people could not qualify to enter into a degree program so they entered a diploma program, the slicksters (like you) went to countries like China to take advantage of the fact that these countries did not know the difference between a degree and a diploma (they thought they were the same). Now that these countries have caught on, you insult them. Why not insult Australia, US, UK planet Earth? No one will accept a diploma as a degree!
Visco8:
WTF are you talking about idiot!!! I taught for Abbu Dhabi University, in the UAE 2008/09. They scutinised my quals before issuing me with a work visa. I like teaching & am good at it, my record speaks for itself & my many references. SOOO stick it up your pompous arse!! ( bet you wouldn't qualify for a job in the UAE...narrow minded prick)
Englteachted:
You couldn't qualify for a job in UAE now could you? Because as I stated countries like UAE now know the difference between you diplomas and 4 year degrees. You are telling a diploma trumps a Bachelors Degree? Like I said, something is seriously wrong with you.
Visco8:
Hey ~ not that I need to deal with jerks like you, but for your info. posted my CV online with my many reputable & checkable teaching references, have had recent offers from the UAE, OMAN , SAUDI ARABIA & quite a few Uni's. AND I'm not lying!!
Kind messes your theory up, doesn't it ?
Maybe, people like should stop pigeon-holing the rest of us.I know it makes life easier & more simplistic for you but at times....you can be seriously WRONG.
When I hit the ugly sides of life in China, I have that rage you seems to have. I wish to see people going out of their zombie-like torpor and behave themselves, having a social and civil consciousness that does not accept ersatz like xenophobic nationalism. The recent episode of emprisoned civil right activist, completely ignored by the whole population, made me sad and desperate. Now, I spend a few days with my in laws, who are nice people and I feel better. I have an escape plan which run fine for now. This helps me to stay hopeful. Maybe it's time to hit the "exit" button for you too. The world is not that small, and China might help us to appreciate many things we used to take for granted.
This is a pointless rant. I gave you a thumb up Scan.
I would love to get a job as a fisherman on Pitcairn Island. But would there be any point in even applying?
I could be a social worker in LA. But I have never been there.
I want to be a Scottish crofter but my family has no land.
I want to be a Chinese Peasant but I am not qualified.
So on so on.
Scandinavian:
ironically the Chinese peasants are not qualified either. :)
What you say it is very true but if you want to live in china you have to get used to the culture otherwise everyday you will be pissed off with everything. I have experience about it, just some advice.
Three year teaching diploma? From australia? I've never heard of such a thing. My mum did her teacher training 35 years ago and even back then i am sure she got a degree...
Otherwise, A+ rant. If you have no family ties I'd consider getting out- there are other cheap countries in the world.
Three year teaching diploma? From australia? I've never heard of such a thing. My mum did her teacher training 35 years ago and even back then i am sure she got a degree...
Otherwise, A+ rant. If you have no family ties I'd consider getting out- there are other cheap countries in the world.
Does this 3 year teaching diploma give you qualified/registered teacher status in Australia?
From what I've read it needs to be a 4 year course to qualify.
To be a certified/registered teacher in the UK (to teach school age children) then there are two routes:
1) 4 year teaching degree
2) Any degree followed by the PGCE (Post Graduate Certificate in Education).
You can take the CertEd (Certificate in Education) without a degree but that only qualifies you to teach in an adult further education college.
Sounds like your diploma is similar to UK CertEd so no, you aren't qualified to get a real teaching job in China. And by the sounds of your rant you hate it here anyway so go home and find a job.
MissA:
The system is similar in Oz. Full bachelor degree in education or (okay for high schools) a degree in something else followed by postgraduate studies in education is the standard in my state.
Do what I do , don't work, Work is over rated, actually working sucks.
Mate, take a break. I did. Needed it. Back in OZ, summer. Aaaahhhhhh!!!
UAE and Saudi Arabia do not require a degree in order to apply for a work visa. They do accept diplomas. So have fun. But anyone with a functioning brain knows that where a degree is required , a diploma is not a substitute.
http://www.saudiembassy.net/services/Employment-visa.aspx
https://www.abudhabi.ae/egovPoolPortal_WAR/appmanager/ADeGP/Citizen?_nfp...
Englteachted:
And seriously, do you really think companies/countries that accept diplomas would say to a degree holder, "You're not qualified."
coineineagh:
to put your opinion in perspective, I've met bachelor degree-holding teachers here in China that still come across as genuine idiots. Not to prove you wrong, but a degree is only an indicator, a bit stronger than a diploma, but still. Do you honestly think people need a degree to teach colours to 3-year-olds? I'd say there's more merit to Criminal Record Checks. If only I'd picked one up before I immigrated; now it's gonna take months.
Englteachted:
Coine : you are missing the point. No one said a degree = good teacher. Employers and Governments sets standards for hiring teachers, it is not for me or you to tell them they must accept a diploma when they demand a degree.
Where are you from? In USA they require BA/BS for preschool teachers. Should people with diplomas then insult the entire US education system?
I will give you a more personal example, every university in Shenzhen requires at least an MA. I only have a BS, should I then insult all of Shenzhen because I do not meet their basic requirement? Again, no one is saying a degree=good teacher or PHd = great teacher. It is simply their standard and they are entitled to set their standards. Why can't people get that?
You hit the nail on the head. Many Chinese schools take the view that it is a privilege for foreigners to be working in China. This stems from an inherent, albeit highly unwarranted superiority complex on their part. And many people complacently accept the day to day drudgery of life there, whether its because they're completely oblivious to it or they simply don't care. I happen to care about the air I breathe in, especially since I live in a city with an average AQI that surpasses that of Beijing. I am forced to wear a mask everyday as the PM2.5 rarely drops below 300. Most days it hovers around 400. I am astonished at the number of people, foreigners included, who walk around there without one. I am in the Philippines now for Spring Festival and dread having to go back there. As soon as I step off the plane it's back to wearing a stupid mask. I could go into the the host of other environmental and social problems that make life difficult there, but the point is, China is not the idyllic country that many people say it is. The cold, hard facts are written on the wall. I have saved more $ in China than I would have in the U.S., but it's simply not worth it to stay there anymore.
