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Q: Did you find the best Visa April 1st info? Here it is.

Thank you ID Member "thelatindancer" as he/she posted this link for us:

 

http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/8pT5oLBDmtISFknrhptpbA

 

This is by far the best and most detailed info that we've found yet, take time to read it, and I mean read all of it.

 

I love the fact that I can get a criminal record in China instead of an FBI (again x2 for 2 different jobs yrs ago) because I worked in China legally and only China! So if I wanna change jobs or get that B Class ID now I could because the record can come from China, its a damn hassle getting an FBI record while aboard.

 

I'm sure this will answer a lot of your questions.

 

 

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With all that paperwork, I think I'll forgo trying to work in China. The pay is getting too small with an increased workload to justify paying for all that paperwork before starting to work.

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With all that paperwork, I think I'll forgo trying to work in China. The pay is getting too small with an increased workload to justify paying for all that paperwork before starting to work.

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man I have 17 years teaching experience in China only teaching kindergarten children.

Iam a good kindergarten teacher

 

plus childcare experience (10 years)I have refs from past jobs from teaching childcare and teaching English in kindergartens.

 

I have also taughtEnglish to  kindergarten children  in Japan,Korea and Taiwan .

 

I was weekend Nanny in new Zealand looking after a 2 year old,I worked in Childcare Centre's  in New Zealand and Australia.

 

all the teaching I have done has been related  to childcare and kindergarten and Iam a class C.

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"April 1st"
Does anybody else have reservations about this ?

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It is gonna be tough...

All depending on how they account the working experience also don't know if they accept my degree as bachelor eq.

 

All of the last categories i get 0 except age... great

working in east china and no hsk is really a ridiculous system

 

 

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I have just started the process. SAFEA is still doing the FEC for the time being here. I assume by the time it comes back I'll be going down the second class foreigner road.

I will update what happens here FYI (said with a little trepidation).

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I am going through a lot of stress because of this and was basically told from a new employer that I need to get the criminal record from my home country and not from China which I was told before by two perspective employers plus others around the internet.

 

When the criminal check thing was instituted in 2014, I was "grandfathered" in, they do not ask this from me for a renewal of my Residence Permit. Now again, a perspective employer told me I need one now. However (maybe, who knows) if I stay at my current job (which I do not like) I can get through with what I have. So now, I am sort of crawling to them to let me keep my current position, so I can stay one more year, go back to my country and get whatever documentation is required to move forward. And I dont know if this will work.

 

Very stressful indeed.

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Regional Update -

* Please note: this is based on my person experience only - here in the boondocks of the western side of the Pearl River - Tier 2/3 city.

 

I submitted my working visa application on 1st April 2017 (the irony was not lost on me).

 

There were absolutely no changes to the usual visa process other than the entry/exit people requiring tax records and social security payment records. From our short conversation they seem to be mostly concerned about paying tax.

 

I got the usual FEC book and a sticker in my passport.

 

As it was surprisingly quiet when I went to pick up my passport this morning, I asked the officer a few questions.

 

When will it begin?

She has heard of the new ranking system and believes that it is based upon your taxable income.

When will you begin to issue these cards?

She has no idea about when it will begin as it barely made a ripple.

Is there any advantage in me applying for a card instead of the FEC book i just received?

As far as she knows it is simply a replacement 'document' for the FEC and AEC and has nothing to do with the visa issuing process. It is just a work permit.

Is there a limit on the number of work permits you can get?

"No. You are welcome to work if you meet the requirements."

Is it possible to get a greencard here?

"Yes. We have issued several to Japanese bosses. Japanese have high salary."

I have a Chinese wife, a house, 5 work permits and money in the bank. Can I apply for a greencard?

"No. You don't earn enough money"

 

Nuff said!

I also enquired about longer work permits - 2 or 5 years....again, I don't earn enough to qualify but she suggested 50k per month(declared with paid tax) will score a 5 year work permit.

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This is so confusing to me, so many articles about the new changes and what i need to do.

Last night i talked with our school rep, from what he told me.

1. a letter stating i have no record is enough.

2. My degree does not need to be sent through the hoops to be authenticated.

3. Most of the new rules are suggestions as of now, but the age and nationality issues will be enforced all over China.

My visa is finished as of july 2017, i am hoping its just as simple as before, otherwise off to Canada and begin my process of authentication. Seems straight forward but very time consuming. Average wait time is 3 months.........

Thoughts ??

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Ok for maybe this year its ok?

I contacted the Canadian consulate here in China, this is what they told me.

1.send documents to family, or a company to help.

2. Company (if you go that way) will get the degree notarized.

3. Company takes that to another government office to verify the notary seal is valid and up todate.

4. they take this with the form to Chinese Consulate, they in turn verify the Canada seal.

5. Send back to me in China im done.....

This makes no sense to me at all, if they dont verify the actual degree, then why the hoops??? In the very least, verify the seal and signatures on the degree.............

But i was told this is only verifying its a true copy and the notary is valid.... anyone? this is just crazy.....

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I am in Hangzhou and was told that the "new system" is not online yet, which again makes no sense to me whatsoever. Tomorrow is April 20th and the Foreign Expert Bureau and the powers that be are still messing around. Then I am dealing with people (changing my employer) who do not know what they are doing either, who are as much in the dark as I am.

 

If I have to go home for this, then I will have to start the whole process over anew. At least I am married to a citizen which is sort of a safety net until I figure out the next chapter of my life.

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i am  also renewing my visa in shanghai and I also have to go with the old system. It is fine for me because I guess I wouldn't have the time to get all the stupid documents before my "annual inspection date" arises

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A reply from school today 2017-04-20

 

Nice to talking with you in the phone call today. I asked Foreign Expert Administration of Dalian about your concern. Indeed now the Authentication of degree certificate is needed for the application of Foreigner's working permit (before it's called foreign expert certificate), which means if you want to change a school, you have to provide it. But I've learned you don't have to go back to your home country to proceed this, it's also acceptable to get the Authentication from the Canadian Embassy in China. So I suggest you ask them firstly whether they have such service. That's now what I've got. Let's keep in touch! No such service in China......Does anyone know of a place to have it done in China, without sending documents back to Canada and then wait for a few months?Im open to suggestions to make this easy and less stress. 

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The American embassy does not do notorization or authentication of degrees. 

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/legal-matters/acade...

 

 

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My friend just went to renew his working visa (same employer) in Haizhu district of Guangzhou yesterday and they still use the old system, no notarization of anything was asked from him.

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http://www.canadianauthentication.com/

 

Got my answer in regards to part of the questions, this is a joke.

More paper work and costs to basically have some laywer notarize my copy of degree, then check to make sure the lawyer is allowed to do this?

Seriously China?

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It's me again.

 

I signed a contract with a company to work in a public high school in Hangzhou. She called me today and told me that I needed the Criminal Background Check and have my Degree authenticated. But, I can do the authentication in Beijing at the American embassy. Also, you can get the CBC done "online". Me "Huh?" I told her that one cannot authenticate degrees from the American embassy.

 

She got this from a meeting the company had. I asked her what source she got her information and was told the "China Foreign Expert Bureau". Huh? SAFEA? Concerning the CBC, I have been "grandfathered" in since 2013, and gotten three extensions since the CBC requirements, again for newbies.

 

Ok, so I called the Foreign Expert Bureau about the requirements, and was told again, that for myself renewing, these documents are not required, only for new people. The lady knew of the changes after April 1, because she was talking about the ABC cards. Isn't the FEB and SAFEA the same, or working together?

 

So I am getting two entirely different pieces of information. My FAO told me what the Foreign Expert person told me, and the teachers she is rehiring do not need the certificates. She did show me another American's criminal report and it was something he got online. But this was last year or two years ago. BUT two years ago I read that Hangzhou required the FBI checks, apparently not so for this guy.

 

This is turning into a saga, I just want some straight information. I feel the Foreign Expert Bureau as well as Chinese in general live for the day, and whatever rule it is that day is what they say, although tomorrow it might be something different. I would like to just chuck it all and move with my wife in her town and try something else. I just want to plan my life.

Zhenglaien:

I'm sorry, please delete the other four posts of the same thing. Using an IPad and when I hit submit it goes to a dead page without confirmation. Sorry.

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No planning in China!

Watch yourself if your Co. is Helen Group (CTN) based in Hangzhou.

Their name might be changed, but I am still seeing their job adverts on 'Jobs'. They offer 3 different salaries for BA, MA and Ph.D. at the same job offer

Helen also mostly work with Public schools which don't hold 'laowai hire authorisation', so Helen get all paperwork done at Gov. and FT is dispatched to different cities/schools around China.

SAFEA is Foreign Expert Bureau, i.e. same-o!

Enter 'SAFEA' in search above for thread/web link of SAFEA's address and contact no. around China. You can dial them and ask for more info, and since our link is 'Provincial SAFEA' you will most likely get an English speaking agent answering the call.

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I am also into RP transfer (Contract expire on June 7th) and I sent Henan School's rep. to SAFEA with (my) Qs.

 

He replied SAFEA confirmed what I told him about procedure for RP transfer, i.e. no changes since 2010. 

 

New item required for RP transfer is 'Recommendation letter' beside Release letter and FEC cancel cert.

This is the 2nd School, which asked me for Recommendation letter at transfer. 

 

I usually always get Rec. letter, but I only stick it to my CV.

 

'Authentication of degrees' isn't required in Henan this year nor it was required last year in Guizhou.

I entered China with last Z in Jan. 2014.

ironman510:

The Trump administration thanks you for your feedback. He would thank you himself but he's busy playing NK uno

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Seems we're all on the same boat with regards to renewals or transfers.

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I can tell you have an i-P(-hone-ad) .

 

Yeah, that April 1st date looks it was really Fools day. China imposed some changes only to the new hire.

Old, and more experienced surprise 'Zed-men&women' are excused.

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A: That would be an awful experience. I would call your embassy asap
A:That would be an awful experience. I would call your embassy asap, they might be able to suggest something or give you a temporary replacement or something. I'm sure they would have seen this before.You may also need something from the PSB to say that you still have a valid visa in order to leave the country. Do you at least have a copy of your visa and passport front page, or can you get one?  If you have been working here your employer would probably have copies. In the mean time, turn the place upside down trying to find your passport.Good luck mate.   -- Stiggs