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Q: Do you ever sit and wonder how many of these students go abroad?

So a student cheats on his test...and instead of getting a 0 the school rules that he can get a 60% max...

So basically they're rewarding him for cheating by giving him a score high enough to let him get placed in a high school next year.

Here's the kicker, his so-called "severe punishment" is security detail at the gate when students leave.

So the punishment for cheating is "losing face" for a few short minutes?
Wow.

Do you ever sit and wonder how many of these students go abroad?

 

4 weeks 5 days ago in  Teaching & Learning - China

 
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Insightful and thought provoking.

 

As a whole, mainlanders are exclusively obsessed with food and sex. The mass consciousness is completely disconnected from higher pursuits, primarily in the spiritual areas. This is critical because the spiritual is where one seeks higher truths, where integrity, honesty, and other virtues are held as important.

 

China mainlanders at large can only see lust, food, i.e. basic animal instincts.  Actually, other animals don't exhibit mainlanders' level of obsession with food and sex. Mainlanders' level is a pervert's level. Just use their search engine to search anything an d see how many sex ads pop up!

 

This makes it virtually impossible for mainlanders to have integrity of any kind, since they don't seek higher truths. Their only 'truths' are food, sex, money and face. 

 

Their care is limited to immediate family members, anyone else is for use, expendable, this makes them extremely cruel and selfish. Social responsibility does not exist within China's mass consciousnes. 

 

You tell me, how can you have honesty, openness, manners, and  basic human decency in this so-called society, which in truth, is a thieves' den. 

 

[edited]This brings us to another nasty, cunning trait of mainlanders' psyche, the unwillingness to put in hard work, even a kid knows that stealing is a 'short cut'. The mass consciousness is filled with this little-best is none-effort- big return mindset. In itself, this is efficient working but when you put in the disconnection from spiritual awareness attained through spiritual quests, you end up with thieves thinking about thefts even when dreaming, how to grab food, sex, money and face through stealing, in one form or another.

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he just got punished that he was caught, not for the cheating itself.

Cheating is permitted, getting caught is losing face for everyone.

 

yes, most schools or universities do not let any student fail the tests even if he doesnt even take the test. It is for graduation statistics... hey look we have 99% of students that graduate with an A+, our teachers are so great; now please throw the money into our face
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one more word: Interegrity in china LOL!! its like two different worlds clashing

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Yet another, adrift in the China sea of fluid ethics.

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Yes.

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In China, if you aren't naturally smart... you got to either:

 

- Cheat

- have guanxi

- or give the teacher special favors

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Hard work doesn't seem to be an option here. 

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There was a thing in the media a few years ago. I don't remember all the details but basically a school decided to enforce anti cheating measures and the move was met with outrage from the students and their parents.

 

Their argument was, 'it's not fair if you don't let us cheat'.

 

It makes my brain hurt trying to figure out that logic but I assume they mean that since every other kid in the country was cheating on that exam, they were being unfairly disadvantaged because they couldn't cheat.

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Well..Wherever "clever" is deemed as a sign of intelligence..It would logically follow that cheating is a sign of "intelligence".

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Insightful and thought provoking.

 

As a whole, mainlanders are exclusively obsessed with food and sex. The mass consciousness is completely disconnected from higher pursuits, primarily in the spiritual areas. This is critical because the spiritual is where one seeks higher truths, where integrity, honesty, and other virtues are held as important.

 

China mainlanders at large can only see lust, food, i.e. basic animal instincts.  Actually, other animals don't exhibit mainlanders' level of obsession with food and sex. Mainlanders' level is a pervert's level. Just use their search engine to search anything an d see how many sex ads pop up!

 

This makes it virtually impossible for mainlanders to have integrity of any kind, since they don't seek higher truths. Their only 'truths' are food, sex, money and face. 

 

Their care is limited to immediate family members, anyone else is for use, expendable, this makes them extremely cruel and selfish. Social responsibility does not exist within China's mass consciousnes. 

 

You tell me, how can you have honesty, openness, manners, and  basic human decency in this so-called society, which in truth, is a thieves' den. 

 

[edited]This brings us to another nasty, cunning trait of mainlanders' psyche, the unwillingness to put in hard work, even a kid knows that stealing is a 'short cut'. The mass consciousness is filled with this little-best is none-effort- big return mindset. In itself, this is efficient working but when you put in the disconnection from spiritual awareness attained through spiritual quests, you end up with thieves thinking about thefts even when dreaming, how to grab food, sex, money and face through stealing, in one form or another.

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All of the ones with rich parents. The question is how long will they survive in the west. Most won't. We also won't hear about the ones who come back. Either that or you will hear some story about how bad the kid was treated when it broke a law in the west so the family can save face.

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I helped run a program with Chinese exchange students in my university and 99% of them were planning on going back/went back to China after graduating. Their American degrees are  just so they can get better positions in China or better run their parents' companies in China... In my university, you can regularly see Chinese students sitting together in the back of the lecture hall and whispering answers/passing sheets of paper during exams.

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What the heck, I say let 'em cheat. It's their way and who am I to question their ways. maybe they like living in unsanitary conditions for instance , or perhaps to them spray-paint graffiti in public places really is an art form...   anyway,,, back to the cheating, as I said, I'm not going to lose sleep over trying to stop them, I like for them to pass exams and then when they are asked simple questions to watch them lose face by not being able to provide even a basic answer.  Heck, with some of the students I practically encourage them to try to cheat. I egg them on u could say.  I even go so far as to bait them into doing so, some have claimed that I am so good at baiting that I could be considered Master level!

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If you have no ethics in China, you can cash in on exams, get the parents' money in exchange for better grades. I used to do this all the time years ago when I was teaching.

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Unfortunately, many will go overseas to our universities.

 

And, even worse, will be able to find people willing to take their money and do their assignments for them (at least to a basic level) so they qualify for their degree.

 

Our unis need to take a LOT more action to stop this charade from continuing...

 

Chinese still think that money solves all problems... they need to be smacked down and shown that it doesn't!

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