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Q: Earthizen...Lets debate politics ?

Lets have a proper debate. Rather than have you say other ppl are wrong, lets have a proper debate as to why you think they are wrong. This will be a long drawn out debate due to geography, time zones and fact checking.

Lets start.

You pick the start subject earth.

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I am not interested in politics. I don't need politics to tell me torturing and killing 2-7 million people, maiming around 20 million,  splashing hot instant noodles on some flight attendant's face in an airplane, manufacturing poisonous milk powder, shitting on the streets, buses, subway of your own and other countries, repeatedly kicking your enemy who can be anyone ranging from your wife, girlfriend, or some stranger on the head, porcelain-crashing cars on streets,  spitting everywhere you go, bribing and extorting monies and whatever you want using your position in a dictatorship government ......etc. wrong.

 

Obviously you have a problem with me calling people who engage in these acts wrong, because that is what I have been and are doing.  Also, it doesn't matter what race, sex, occupation, age.......etc. either, anyone or group who does or support those who does these is wrong.

 

Sure, start by stating your rationale in deeming the above-mentioned acts right.

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Heh, I'm putting some beers in the fridge for this....

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We'll all be lurkers for this gem. Will that make us all wumaos?

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Putin Calls On All "Large-Scale Enterprise" To Be Ready To Convert To "Military Production"

"The ability of our economy to increase military production and services at a given time is one of the most important aspects of military security.  To this end, all strategic, and simply large-scale enterprise should be ready, regardless of ownership."

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I am not interested in politics. I don't need politics to tell me torturing and killing 2-7 million people, maiming around 20 million,  splashing hot instant noodles on some flight attendant's face in an airplane, manufacturing poisonous milk powder, shitting on the streets, buses, subway of your own and other countries, repeatedly kicking your enemy who can be anyone ranging from your wife, girlfriend, or some stranger on the head, porcelain-crashing cars on streets,  spitting everywhere you go, bribing and extorting monies and whatever you want using your position in a dictatorship government ......etc. wrong.

 

Obviously you have a problem with me calling people who engage in these acts wrong, because that is what I have been and are doing.  Also, it doesn't matter what race, sex, occupation, age.......etc. either, anyone or group who does or support those who does these is wrong.

 

Sure, start by stating your rationale in deeming the above-mentioned acts right.

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'and the e-man comes out swinging!  still waiting for our favorite bag-pipe blower to lace up his gloves!

 

   ding ding ~   Round One!

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Ooh this looks like it'll be fun!

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how about average annual income       the better? or richer life?  who has more toys?

 

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I don't understand why people do what they do.

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What the fuck is wrong with this site, I posted a lengthy response to bhgal but it gave me a login to post error when I was already logged in. 

 

Basically ....

Beijing Kindergarten

 

whataboutism is a crappy argument. 

 

fuck this site1

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I did say this would be a long drawn out thread. Sorry... been busy.

First up, apologies Earth. I was wrong to call you out by name in a thread title.

But.... but ... but... always a but.

You always post negative stuff, so I thought you should have a go at explaining why? You say you are not interested in politics, but your posts do have a right wing lean.

I had a great chat last weekend with a right wing bloke. Me left, him right, and when I asked him to provide evidence on his claims, we agreed to change the subject to something where we could meet halfway.

Left and right, chatting over a beer has a good ending. Agree to disagree, or both compromise to a point between.

Your defense is to attack. For no reason at all. You have not asked a question. Let me ask you one.

Is universal free healthcare (worldwide), a human right?.

To put it simply from my opinion. If I, as a champgne socialist, am sitting in a bar sipping champagne, and some government dude comes in and shouts out give me your money for the sick kids, I would hang up my glass and give my money.

I would expect representation in such a scenario. And to be honest, if someone asked me for my vote, and said I would need to pay 60% tax towards worldwide free healthcare, I would vote for him/her.

How woud you vote?

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Wow my post is actually now there. I'm re-posting it here because it also applies to Scots.

Let's look at what's wrong with China. Narrow it to China specific problems (govt sponsored racism, land/ sea grabs, censoring the media, putting people in jail for because you simply don't like their religion and harvesting their organs). Is there a left way of looking at these things and a right wing way of looking at this? Seriously? 

Can we just say wrong is wrong and that's it? Beijing Kindergarten story, did you know the govt was trying to censor the story before it got on the radar of foreign outlets. The reason, govt officials are connected to the school and quite possibly to the scandal. Should liberals see it any differently from those involved should be punished, attempting to sweep the story under the rug was wrong and that this is a prime reason why the govt shouldn't control the media?

Can we look at China honestly without whataboutism?

 

 

bhgal: I'm American, I'd never say shootings happen everywhere in order to avoid the fact that America has a gun problem. Numbers matter, details matter as well. When you pissed on the street was it right in the middle of a crowded street? Did you drop a deuce in the middle of a crowded street? Did your parents force you to crap pis in the streets when you were a child?

 

But really the bad behavior bit is not the main issue unless it's harassing Let's talk about the big issues, censoring the media, jailing of innocent people and then harvesting their organs for sale. This is happening now. The only thing that's changing is the power of the CCP to cover it up (thanks to new social media measures). But they still can't stop every news from spreading. Did you hear about the Beijing kindergarten? After trying to rush to scrub it from the net now they had to report it (leaving out the important details, talk to Chinese people). 

That everywhere argument is crap, look up John Oliver and 'whataboutism'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Question... can anyone explain to me why communisim is bad?

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Popcorn time. Why does the west love Saudi Arabia, but hate Iran?

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And finallly, Cuba. Success or failure? I say success despite the sanctions. Evidence based answers please....

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Lets apply occams razor. The right wing claim my published emphatic left wing beliefs have been paid for by Soros. The right wing blames Soros. Good point.

The right wing has sinclair broadcasting, fox new, breitbart, koch brothers, Trump, Murdoch.....

Can a right winger claim a single other left wing rich dude apart from Soros....

They cant... but I can.,Warren Buffet.

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Name the time earth... we will debate here. Time and timezone

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I've been away from active participation in this forum for a while. What's the beef between Scotsalan and earthizen? From reading, earthizen is firm in his belief that China and the Chinese are amoral and wrongheaded. Scotsalan insists on pointing out the positive things happening, too. I can't see why both positions have to be mutually exclusive... Is this a personal vendetta? Have the two rubbed one another the wrong way once too often?

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Is AI off topic surprise on this Thread-stone? No?? OK, here we go ....

 

Poop-less ....  animales:

 

 

Meet Laikago: China's $25,000 Robo-Labrador

The Japanese have their non-nagging synthetic wives, the Saudis have their Shariah-compliant humanoid citizens, Americans are content with a backflipping supra-human, and now the Chinese get their very own 50lb, poop-less, robo-dog...

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Cuba a success? Because it hasn't collapsed? They're 20-30 years behind. They pretty much don't have internet access.

 

And locking up people for what they say?

Forgot what I really wanted to say, the system is not to blame really. USA is a democratic country but totally fucked up one. There aren't any real examples of Commie countries, they're all were foundedd as puppets of the USSR

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Ha ha ha... in answer to Engteah... I binged and got this as first hit.

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-health-review/cuba-vs-united-st...

wow. Put sunglasses on before viewing that link

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https://www.facebook.com/1393908837323947/videos/1488786574502839/

  couldn't get this out of facebook.....  but I like this Mark Tqwain stuff

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1.) “I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.”

2.) “A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”3.)“Books are for people who wish they were somewhere else.”4.)“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”  https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/1244.Mark_Twain

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Scots, you seem to not understand the link you posted. 

 

 

life expectancy yes about the same and contradicts what you said, they don't live longer.

 

 CubaCUBA United StatesUNITED STATES   World Rank   World Rank MaleFemaleMF MaleFemaleMFAT BIRTH76.981.43234 76.981.63333

 

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We need different opinions, different ideas, but we all pretty much share a common dream.

Our disagreement is over what road we take to get to where we want to go.

I think the road to the left gets us there faster. There has been a few wrong turns down dirt lanes because the driver was crap. Dirt lanes that are now paved with bones. Their bleached bones are not a reason for us to not blaze a new trail. We need to keep searching for total equality, equal happiness, and equal opportunities.

We need gun toting republicans to ride shotgun, to stop us from going down those dirt roads where tragedy awaits.

At the same time, the right needs the left to stop it from the stupidity of bigotry and gas chambers.

The left has the hardest job, the biggest challange

I am left, because I am trying to pull the right to the middle.

Once there, we can all start again

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