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Q: English teaching jobs.

Hello and greeting's from Dublin, Ireland. Before I start, I am sorry asking the same generic question that people are probably tired of answering. I was enquiring what is the probability of getting employed as an ESL teacher without having a bachelor's degree? A bit about me, I am an Irish male, thirty three years of age with no criminal record. At the moment I am in due process of completing my TEFL 140 hour certificate. Thank you in advance for any information received.

Kind Regards,

Gavin

7 years 19 weeks ago in  Teaching & Learning - China

 
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What you don't seem to be noticing - or at least, caring about - is that LEGALLY, you will NOT be allowed to work in China.

 

It will also mean, if you do come here and work illegally, if things go bad - they can go very bad! Not only will you be getting ripped off by any employer and recruiter (hi Blondie), who ALL know that it's illegal to work here without a degree, you'll also have NO back-up... no-one to turn to to help you out. Your embassy won't give a toss, SAFEA (the agency who's job it is to ensure foreigner's rights in this country*) won't care, the PSB would rather deport you, the police will detain you (imprison) and then deport you.

 

You'll likely end up in a crap school, on shit money, wishing you could go home, and have your passport kept by the owners (illegal). When they start taking money out of your pay, you have zero recourse... you either accept it, or you leave (of course, you'd have to get your passport back, and you'll probably find that you have no money left as well, and thus, it was a fairly expensive (and boring) vacation to China. Not to mention the fact that you'll need to leave the country every 30 days (again, not cheap!)

 

If you start rocking the boat, you may find yourself on the end of wrong side of a group of thugs... out in the middle of nowhere... where the school owner is good friends with the chief of local police and the PSB.

 

Yes, I know... there are many people who don't have all those troubles (but ALL of them have SOME of those troubles!)

 

 

(*I didn't say they do a good job of this!)

gavbkk83:

Thank you.

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I only asked a question; you don't have to be so cynical with your sarcastic, vitriolic jargon you're spouting out. Goodbye! I'll go where I want to go. You sound like a lonely old person who sits on his/her laptop everyday looking for arguments.

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No sunshine... you asked a question (which you could have EASILY researched yourself... the information about working in China is a 2 second google search!), and when you were told it would be ILLEGAL, you still decided "WTF - I'll start sending off resumes anyway... who cares if it's illegal or not".

 

And, so, because I've stressed this point, and the consequences of it, I must be sad, lonely and only get my thrills from attacking people on the net...

 

This is called 'justification'... where you know you're doing something wrong, so in order to justify this wrong behaviour, you have to make someone else wrong... by attacking them.

 

If you want to take this course of action - fine. At least have the balls to take full responsibility for it, and acknowledge what you're going to do! NOT attack other people for giving you the full score!

 

 

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You should hit 'Jobs', top R and send your CV to few or all job offers.

 

By Chinese law, you must have BA and TEFL/TESOL to be able to get Working permit, i.e. working legally in China.

 

I saw few job offers today with 'Native English teacher, no degree necessary', but I guess such offers won't get you Z visa and Residence permit a month later.

 

Best is to try and apply for jobs yourself. Chinese won't reply, if they aren't interested in your CV. Never mind! Keep sending your CV till you don't get reply/job.

 

Native English teachers are wildly sought in China, what you can see from 'Jobs' tag. Some 14-15 pages a day with 25 English teaching job offers on each page.

 

Good luck!

gavbkk83:

Dear icni77 Thank you very much for taking the time to reply to my question, I am very grateful. I will take your advice and started sending my résumé to advertised jib adverts. Best Wishes, Gavin

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icnif77:

Include your pic to the resume.

Return to the Board for an advice, after you'll get job offer.

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gavbkk83:

Cheers for your help, I really appreciate it.

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See this article:

 

http://www.vice.com/read/the-chinese-esl-industrial-complex-shady-working-conditions-abound-for-foreign-english-teachers-in-china-127

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Try a recruiting agency that offers a program involving placement after certification.

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craigslist for beijing shows jobs with out a degree all the time, under jobs and education, dont know the details, also ads there to buy a fake degree, some provinces dont check, some do, all this is against the law in china, but laws in china are like gun and immigration laws in america, they are selectively enforced.

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What you don't seem to be noticing - or at least, caring about - is that LEGALLY, you will NOT be allowed to work in China.

 

It will also mean, if you do come here and work illegally, if things go bad - they can go very bad! Not only will you be getting ripped off by any employer and recruiter (hi Blondie), who ALL know that it's illegal to work here without a degree, you'll also have NO back-up... no-one to turn to to help you out. Your embassy won't give a toss, SAFEA (the agency who's job it is to ensure foreigner's rights in this country*) won't care, the PSB would rather deport you, the police will detain you (imprison) and then deport you.

 

You'll likely end up in a crap school, on shit money, wishing you could go home, and have your passport kept by the owners (illegal). When they start taking money out of your pay, you have zero recourse... you either accept it, or you leave (of course, you'd have to get your passport back, and you'll probably find that you have no money left as well, and thus, it was a fairly expensive (and boring) vacation to China. Not to mention the fact that you'll need to leave the country every 30 days (again, not cheap!)

 

If you start rocking the boat, you may find yourself on the end of wrong side of a group of thugs... out in the middle of nowhere... where the school owner is good friends with the chief of local police and the PSB.

 

Yes, I know... there are many people who don't have all those troubles (but ALL of them have SOME of those troubles!)

 

 

(*I didn't say they do a good job of this!)

gavbkk83:

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I only asked a question; you don't have to be so cynical with your sarcastic, vitriolic jargon you're spouting out. Goodbye! I'll go where I want to go. You sound like a lonely old person who sits on his/her laptop everyday looking for arguments.

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No sunshine... you asked a question (which you could have EASILY researched yourself... the information about working in China is a 2 second google search!), and when you were told it would be ILLEGAL, you still decided "WTF - I'll start sending off resumes anyway... who cares if it's illegal or not".

 

And, so, because I've stressed this point, and the consequences of it, I must be sad, lonely and only get my thrills from attacking people on the net...

 

This is called 'justification'... where you know you're doing something wrong, so in order to justify this wrong behaviour, you have to make someone else wrong... by attacking them.

 

If you want to take this course of action - fine. At least have the balls to take full responsibility for it, and acknowledge what you're going to do! NOT attack other people for giving you the full score!

 

 

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Not a recruiter, but a China hand temporarily at home in Dublin for family reasons who has offered to meet the guy who posted this question to talk him through what to expect when in China .

Hotwater:

That's fair enough but please advise the OP that they won't be able to work legally here as a teacher without a degree. 

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Blondie_:

I'll be outlining the realities of working in China.

i am under no illusion and would certainly not create false expectations for a compatriot.

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I was temporarily banned for some comment i made (and will probably totally banned for this one). 

 

after 10 days looking for a response, this is what i got from ECC.

 

'Your account was banned on suspicion of being a spammer.  We will lift the ban on your account but will put you in the watch list for the moment.  Please follow our posting guideline when posting questions and answers.'

 

Dear Admin

I did not spam, and you broke ECC guidelines by not issuing a warning prior to this ban.

I offered to help a compatriot who was thinking of going to China when i was home for a serious family matter, and getting banned was all the thanks i got.

 

This is the kind of arbitrary treatment that i i always have to keep a look out for in China.

 

sorry guys for bringing this post up again after 2 weeks, but am so annoyed being treated like this, especially as a friend of mine (a former ECC user) told me that ECC was a good place to spend some time sharing experiences of China and helping others with problems.

Shining_brow:

There apparently is only one person who can wield the ban-hammer (just like in all Chinese companies...).

 

He has shown a very arbitrary attitude in using it... mostly if someone says something that is a personal shot at him.

 

And the one and only admin person (not counting the fake accounts) doesn't give a toss what any of the regular users thinks - let alone what the user-mods who were asked to do the job think!!!

 

But, you know... it's run by dalu ren... and they never care what we foreigners think, and they always know better than us!

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Good luck!

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From what I hear, if you are white blonde with blue eyes you're good to go.

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Hmmm

seems i can not now comment, so i will add that the message i posted from ECC Admin was not a PM , so i have not breached any guidelines (again), but an email message.

 

 

icnif77:

That's probably your weak Internet connection, not comment ban.

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This site is run by morons but to be fair and objective, you should tell us what you wrote in the PM, that might have been what got you in trouble.

Blondie_:

The PM I wrote to the OP let him know I was in Dublin at the time  (for family reasons) and would be happy to meet to talk more about working in China while I was there.

The poster then gave me an email address to contact him with.

i told him I was not a recruiter, which I am not, but someone who was working in China.

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Why would you just come out with that information? That seems odd to me. 

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not really odd, it was what i was asked and i wanted to make it clear that i had no axe to grind by meeting the OP other than a helpful meeting.

If you know Dublin then it is not uncommon for people to help each other.

No different really from any of the posters here meeting up after connecting here first.

 

I know how on this forum some recruiters or businesses post fake questions and then spam their. businesses.

 

I know from your posts that you are somewhat skeptical and don't accept things at face value, and i don't blame you as i know China, but there are some real people in this world that want to help, as i did with this poster.

 

It just pissed me off that Admin chose to get 'upset' and ban me, more likely for a comment i made on a thread of Phil's questioning Admin's competence, than for 'suspicion of spamming', which was used as an 'excuse' to ban my account.

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I understand completely.

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keep up the skepticism wink

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If you really want legal employment, you should first get a forged degree. Plenty Chinese offer to forge anything. Never tell anyone it's forged, ever. Not even when drunk. It will be impossible to verify for authorities. If they even try, stay adamant that the mistake/misunderstanding is on their part. And voila: u r qualified!

coineineagh:

There is a world of difference in illegal work situations. If you have a long-term Chinese partner to protect you, from an average family here, your job is pretty safe no matter if it's illegal. If you're single and out to play the field in the local dating scene, you are guaranteed to draw all sorts of scrutiny, and you damn well better have a legal visa, and be careful not to snub any important people, because even legal work is relative and open to interptetation by authorities.

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gavbkk83:

Hello, sorry for my late reply. Ha, no I am not much of a player to be honest, I tend to stick with the same girl if I can.

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