WanderingTeacher:

can't, school is closed, we no longer have a school license to extend anything. So I need an agency or know of a place where I can go in the next couple of weeks to apply for a tourist visa

WanderingTeacher:

Can't, school is closing down, actually it already has, 

WanderingTeacher:

They have changed the law...it's no longer 30 days, it's 7-10 days. My RP expires on e 18th, so I'll have to leave on the 28th, but flight leaves on February 1st

icnif77:

Do you have web link for 'law changes'?

IMO, it can't be, because your new RP sponsor need at least 30-days time to apply for new FEC, new ME and new RP extension for the duration of new Contract.

That all can't be done in 7-10-days, so you must exit China and apply for new Z in your home country or HK, if lucky. 

7-days RP extension use to be 'forced exit', i.e. you violated the Contract.

WanderingTeacher:

No, this isn't something I read, my current employer called the local police leader in my district, which is who would give me the 30 day tourist visa because we also knew it was supposed be 30 days, we just wanted to ask what information or documents we needed to bring, the local leader then called to city police leader and he told her that it's only 7-10 days now. and the purpose is not to find a new job it is to give you time to prepare your things and belongings to leave the country, not give you time to find a new job or employer, those were her exact words. Maybe this hasn't changed wherever you are. But in shandong now it's no longer 30 days. It was before, but beginning this year it's 7-10 days and I don't even know how they determine who gets 7 and who gets 10, but that's what they said. This is no forced exit, the contract isn't even over yet, and technically I own 49% of the school. My business partner and I are closing the school because he wants to retire and I want to go somewhere else and being here for three years. We already closed the school so we can get our deposit/bond back from the government. But the local police do not know this yet, they are giving us the information based on the currently law, the local police leader told us to just redo my contract and I'll be fine, but she domestic know we already closed the school and can't do that. So anyway I need to get a tourist visa from some other means, not through an extension or whatever. I just need a way to apply for a tourist visa either here or in HK or some where

icnif77:

It doesn't matter, what do you plan to do, 'exit' or 'change RP sponsor': 'if you didn't violate the Contract, i.e. 'completed' or 'Contract termination in friendly terms with RP cancellation', you must receive 30-days extension.

Dial SAFEA and ask them about.

Similar happened to me in 2013 in Fujian: 'employer demanded RP cancelation with 7-days exit extension'.

Fujian Contract permitted 'cancelation without given cause/reason with 30-days Contract termination notice for both parties', but after I dialled SAFEA and explain 'no reason termination by either party' to SAFEA, i.e. 'I didn't do nothing wrong!', I received 30-days S2 visa, instead only '7-days extension'. I was permitted to stay in apartment another 30-days, too.

I understood, 'penny pinching employer' wanted to cancel RP in shortest term possible, so I would vacate apartment.  BuTT ..., I didn't .

'add-it': - ask about 4 days extension at PSB; or - change departure city to HK and exit on time with 4-days stay in HK.

icnif77:

I am talking out of FT experience. You might be treated different as 'business owner'. But, 7-10-days exit extension isn't change in Law.

If that would be true, every FT who changes RP sponsor should exit China and apply for new Z, what isn't the case.

It's too much trouble for somebody to come back to China, after working here 1-year. So, I am sure, it isn't Law change and you probably get yourself into 7-days exit extension, because you closed your RP sponsor/business, i.e. you aren't FT, but business owner or something similar, about which I don't know much.

WanderingTeacher:

As I said before the police doesn't even know we closed the business, we told her I. Fact that I want to go work in south China and I need time to get a new job and we wanted to know what documents we need to bring to get the 30 day extension. So everything you are saying about the 30 day extension after a contract ends, we asked her at that is under the assumption that I want to find another job, and she is in fact away that before, a 30 day extension was given, but as I said, the city police leader she called, said that is no longer the case, it's 7-10 days to leave the country. If you want to find a job you have to start that process one month before your contract ends. Again, maybe this is not the case where you are, but as of January 2017 in Zibo, Shandong province, this is the new law, coming straight from the office that would be giving the individual the extension/visa.  Anyway, this isn't even my question, my question is, et a tourist visa while I'm still in the country. I mean like going somewhere in China and applying for a visa, not an extension of my current  visa, but a separate tourist visa applied for in China, 

icnif77:

'If you want to find a job you have to start that process one month before your contract ends'

You must start what, one month before Contract ends?

Meaning of signed&stamped Contract is 'you must be technically in the classroom on the last day of Contract!'.

You can talk-out your RP sponsor for few days earlier leave, but if my Contract ends on June 7th, I cannot start with anything at new RP sponsor before that! Not a month, not even a day before.

You will not get RP extension 14-days before RP ends, because by International Law you would have 'two valid visas for the same country'.

You will get RP extension a day after your RP ends. I tried in Henan: I pushed rep. to go to PSB two weeks before RP ends for new extension. We were sent away with instructions: 'come back next week!'. I got passport back from PSB few days after new extension validity.

FEC can be canceled 7-days before Contract ends or by Chinese law 'after the Contract ends', so FEC Cancelation cert. will be available some 10-14 days later.

You will get Release letter, after you'll return rented apartment in order, i.e. last day in the city.

By Chinese law, FT must receive RL and FEC cancel cert. in 30-days after the last working day.

New RP sponsor will need both docs. to get new FEC and extend RP for the duration of new Contract.

There is nothing to do 30-days before Contract ends, except look for the new position by sending CVs around, interviews and things.

You can't sign new Contract with validity date before your old Contract ends, because it's invalid!

You can't promise your new RP sponsor, you'll be in the city 30-days before your old Contract ends.

WanderingTeacher:

Again, this is based on what I have done and experienced and what I am being told by the people who will be giving me the visa when my RP ends. First all my new contract was signed and stamped by both parties the first week in December, for a start date of February 15th, the FEC can be canceled any time when both parties mutually agree to do so, because mine was voluntarily canceled by myself and my business partner December 20th, with the FEB, because my new school wanted to transfer my RP, according to current law, stated to me both by the Zibo FEB and a FEB in Jiangsu, if you cancel your FEC before the expiration date, the new school can essentially transfer your RP to them, and issue you a new one, without a whole bunch of fuss and extra paperwork. if however your new school has not applied for your FEC online a week before your FEC expiration date (due to your current one not be cancelled for example) , you will have to start the process all over with getting an invitation letter and all that jazz, and possibly doing a border run (possibly, not definitely). This is why people were given these 30 day extensions and people had to do border runs in the first place, because their FEC expired and or was canceled and no application was submitted a week before its expiration date..again because it wasn't canceled by then most likely), and your work visa is based on that. So right now essentially my FEC is canceled but not expired which means any school can apply online to the FEB to get me a new FEC and RP as long as they do so by January 10th, and as long as they have all the necessary electronic documents. I wouldn't have to leave the country or get a tourist visa. I would go to the new school and give them my passport and a week later I would a new FEC and then RP. Done. This process takes 2-3 weeks. One week to apply online and be approved, then the school must take the documents and your passport to the feb to get the new FEC, a few days to week after that, you go and get your RP. That's the process. The only problem I have is that my notarized degree has not arrived yet, and they need a copy of that to submit online to the FEB, if they don't have that by January 10th, there won't be enough time for my new FEC to be approved and issued before it expires on January 18th and therefore I will be fucked, and have to do extra shit like getting a tourist visa and leaving the country and getting an invitation letter and doing all of that all over again, I already books as flight to go home to Los Angeles February 1st and return February 9th. As long as I can get the 30 day tourist visa, I'll be fine. so I appreciate you telling me what you think is accurate and correct, but what I'm saying is that is does not spot in this situation and the laws are changing,at least they have changed here, for example my friend just got a new job in guangzhou and he's Russian with no degree from an English speaking country, and his degree isn't notarized, if you want a work visa in shandong and Jiangsu now, your degree MUST be notarized. If I had know this 2 months ago I would've ordered it back then and I woils the be on here now trying to come up with a back up plan. I have 9 days until my time window closes. Tuesday I will go personally to police station and ask them about getting the tourist visa, maybe I'll need to use some Guangxi

icnif77:

I am talking out of my own experience.

FEC statement of yours is new to me. I am not into FEC and cancelation, but common sense is 'FEC can't be canceled before Contract ends!', i.e 'FT stops working'. 

I received 30-days extension few times already:

1. Jixian, Hebei, 2011, completed Contract;

2. Fuk, Xinjiang, 2013, completed Contract;

3. Jianou, Fujian, 2013, Contract terminated by School.

7-days extension is only for exit from China, no other option. You get 7-days, if you violated the Contract or committed crime, which doesn't warrant jail time.

Dial SAFEA and ask about it. You'll hear it from the 'horse's mouth'.

There's link of Provincial SAFEA (Headquarters) here (expat-wife knows  about it): ''enter 'SAFEA' in search above for address and phone no. in your Province."

You'll most likely get Chinese English speaking agent replying the phone call.

Good luck!

WanderingTeacher:

Called the airline company 3 days ago, I have to pay 8000 rmb to change my ticket. FYI, don't buy tickets from qunar if you might ever need to change it. Ugh

icnif77:

 'your buttocks are so firm ... ' 

Shining_brow:

"FYI, don't buy tickets from qunar if you might ever need to change it. Ugh"

No, read the terms and conditions before you purchase! Some flights ou can change, others you can't! It all depends on those T&Cs - NOT who you purchase through.

icnif77:

@Shining: ''if you view available flights by 'the cheapest first' order (like moi), no tickets changes are allowed!" on cheap-oo flights.

expatlife26:

8000 RMB just to change it? I'm going to the US next week and that's more than I paid for a nonstop round trip flight. That's ridiculous.

Have you tried going to the PSB yet?

icnif77:

Are you going to attend inauguration?

New 'movie script' ....from 'Middle Leg':

 

WanderingTeacher:

Yeah it's the same here...no more school licenses are being given out in Beijing, shandong, jiangsu, and some other province after summer 2016. The reason is, according to so local government officers, is that eventually the government is going to have everything going through the police department. Kind of like how Shanghai has a visa on arrival thing going on, and businesses won't need to have a license to hire foreigners, they will all apply through the police department and have contracts and shah not, but yeah we sold our license already, For 420,000. Our deposit with the government was only 60,000, so we made out really good. I just need a 30 day visa of any kind a this point, just so I can leave and return and not have to buy new flight tickets or pay to change my current ones

ironman510:

They only can do 30 day visa's now. Nothing beyond that or 4 day visa's.