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Q: Help??????? My boss gave me choice.

I changed to a new job and the boss told in the interview that he can pay me 7000rmb base plus commission as sales manager candidate. So I happily started working on the new job and I have been a very hard working employee to edit the clients information the boss assigned to me and I did lots of overtime working too. But the boss told me that I am not qualified to be the manager yet according to my performance. He told I either get paid based on 7000rmb to leave or take 5000rmb to work as a normal sales in the company.

I am new in the company and I have been studing really hard for the CRM system,products and working my ass off to complete the clients information date boss assigned.

The company has 3 sales working there already,they have been working there for years. My boss told my ability is just sales level,maybe even not as good as the sales came before me. I have worked in this company only for 6 days.

What do you think of my situation and any good advice?

 

 

 

8 years 23 weeks ago in  General  - China

 
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Perhaps if you spent more time working on his work instead of trying to poach his clients then you would earn your 7000rmb.

Viki87:

His clients ? How Dara you say that? My clients are through my own business,mine business pump business. What's has my pump business clients have anything yo do with his light business clients? Stop being rude call me bad name. 

 

8 years 23 weeks ago
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You are still doing your own work when you should be focusing on his work. A full time job is a full time commitment.

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You need a psychiatrist.

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Best advice in this situation is don't eat yellow snow and don't try to recharge battery hens.

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Perhaps if you spent more time working on his work instead of trying to poach his clients then you would earn your 7000rmb.

Viki87:

His clients ? How Dara you say that? My clients are through my own business,mine business pump business. What's has my pump business clients have anything yo do with his light business clients? Stop being rude call me bad name. 

 

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You are still doing your own work when you should be focusing on his work. A full time job is a full time commitment.

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Obviously your boss expected a new manager to come in and show their worth straight away and you are not doing that. I know this is hard to hear but are you completely sure that the boss is not right?

Viki87:

I didn't say he is not right. But draw a conclusion that I am not qualified after 5 days is not a bit too rush?

i have bee working my ass off for this job.

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Times are hard, China's economy has begun to stall, your boss can't afford to throw money away anymore, accept 5k for the glory of the Motherguo.

RiriRiri:

Apparently he still can afford to waste 5k.

8 years 23 weeks ago
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They still need to provide jobs to the masses, preserve social harmony.

8 years 23 weeks ago
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Viki87:

He gives the sales the sales target monthly. If the sales can't finish the target. He will deduct the salary from the sales.

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ask more time from him

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Wear a shorter skirt.

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Harsh Reality Check

 

Sometimes it is wise to realise that you suck at something rather than deluding yourself that you have the ability to do it.

 

Your boss is being kind to you and to his company by recognising that you aren't a manager quickly. It is pretty easy to see if someone has the ability to do a job after a couple of days.

 

Perhaps he recognises your strengths better than you and knows that you are a better drone than a queen.

 

Or of course, he may have received a call from the clients you were trying to poach from him and effectively locked you in the office so you can't hawk his wares to them for your own profit and make you take care of the service/sale for his own amusement.

Viki87:

Are you crazy? Why do I need to use his clients? His company is selling light. My own business is vacuum pumps. Why the light clients suddenly need to buy pumps? Pls talk with your brain.

8 years 23 weeks ago
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iWolf:

In that case, disregard the last paragraph....and realise that your boss knows you are an incompetent moron too. Kudos to him, it only took a few days.

 

 

8 years 23 weeks ago
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Viki87:

Lol I assure no one gonna like you here. so rude. call me Morton bah bah... 

If I am yhe Morton,he would fire me directly instead of offering a 5000

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iWolf:

That's moron, moron.

 

Was Morton some laowai you tried to visa dig in the past??....and naturally failed. Obvious visa-digger is an obvious visa digger.

 

He's keeping you around for the comedy to watch you lose your mind that you can't rort him with your own fantasy bullshit trading company.....and of course someone has to make tea, get lunch and do all the other shitty things that a quality worker would refuse to do.

 

Now get back to your highly skilled job of spamming foreigners with junk emails about LEDs.

8 years 23 weeks ago
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You have an issue.

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iWolf:

I think there is a Nigerian prince who wants some suction pumps for his local Boco Haram guys to fulfil their manhood....spam him at blowmemoron@dipshit.com He might want some LEDs too and can offer you a Nigerian greencard (for a small fee). You are qualified.

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Get back to work.  Suggest you throw you phone to the schizenhauzen.

 

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quit acting like its so hard to go from one job to the next as a Chinese citizen. Boo friggen hoo hoo.  As foreigners, we go thru alot more BS trying to skip to the next job if the current one is shiite.

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What do you mean?

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Maybe he temps everyone with the 7000 offer, then bumps them down to 5000 in the first week. Maybe, maybe he does not intent to pay anyone 7000. 

In other words, maybe it is not you. He might do the same to everyone.

Hope it works out for you. 

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Maybe but maybe he is being honest.

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who in their right mind will go to live/work in china o make 5k or 7k rmb? Really cant get it. I never been a teacher, ive worked in Marketing the last 4 years in China in 3 different companies, and my 1st salary was 15k, i would never ever stayed if was 5 or 7k, for that i would just stay in my country.

Viki87:

I am Chinese

8 years 23 weeks ago
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It is not a foreigner, it is a country bumpkin with delusions of grandeur/passport hunter.

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Nothing happened here..keep walking

 
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5k is suitable for a day filled with wechat, movies, lunch, naps and spamming foreign companies with junk mail.

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Wasnt the choice a rope or a gun? indecision

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lol this is china f the foriegner week

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Once you try to scam foreigners no one trusts you or help you .

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Why is this even a question. It's a sales job. If you are not able to persuade the boss that you are (more than) capable of that 7000 basic salary role, which means to let him put that 7000 in your pocket, I hardly think anyone will be willing to put more than 7000 rmb in your pocket. And if you cannot make that 7000 back, why would they want you? Now you have 3 options.  1. you leave. I'm pretty sure this is not the only job on the market, it's really no big deal if you leave, after all, both you and the company think you cannot give each other what you wanted, an apparently you don't want to stay for anything less than 7000. 2. you take that 5000 role and you impress everyone with your excellent sales ability and by the end of the month, if they don't offer you extra, you leave, their loss. If I can make more sales than anyone else does in the company I will also offer to train the stuff, after all, in sales, quantity matters. And there you go, you have a team to manage and you instantly become a manager. 3. you persuade him to give you 7000 (or more). You do this by show them the data, your insight into the industry, the competitors, your connections and why you think you are totally going to make a sales boost and make that 7000 back within a day's time, how much you are gonna make within a month time and it's just disastrous to let any of the competitors to have you. In fact, some of them are offering 10000 extra since they heard about you are offered just 7000 to work here. but you have faith in them. and you let them make the decision, whether to pay you 17000 or lose you. I mean, when someone threw a hot potato at you, who says you must catch it? You throw it back to them and let them make a choice. But really Viki, the question is can you be honest with yourself? If you cannot make sales, it doesn't matter if you are a manager or a sales person, you won't get paid. Better just leave, and thank me later. Wink

Shining_brow:

I was thinking - if you can't sell yourself, then sales isn't your thing! :)

 

 

(oh - how do you throw the hot potato back if you don't catch it first?? :p)

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You're talking about Vicky..........hahaha! 

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Vicky says she is working her arse off... Not enough hours in the day

8 years 22 weeks ago
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Viki87:

That's a really good answer. You have a good insight for my situation. I contacted a company I used to refuse twice to get the 7000rmb job offer to work on German customer service,purchasing and export documentation without doing sales. I told the boss that I will give him my decision after talking with my current employer.

i went to talk with my boss this afternoon,I told him that after I learnt the product and the sales system in the company. I throught 5000rmb is too low to meet my target. He then asked me how much do I want. I told him 7000. He told me that 7000 is the salary he gave to a sales manager. I asked him why he thinks I am not qualified to be the manager,he told I am not good at using excel,word ,CRM system and not professional in behaving. The thing is he never saw me using word and excel,how can you say it? I am not good at using CRM system that is true but it is just a working software not all company will use,and it is reasonable that I am not good at using it as a new employer here. He said he thinks I might be a good sales but not enough to be a manger. He told he could give me 7000 but told me how much time that I can pay that money back. He asked if he could pay me 7000 in two monthes probation but cut it after probation and pay me commission or pay me 5000 during probation but consider of paying me 7000 after probation. He told me making good sales is just one part of being qualified to be the manager. He told he wants someone has better ability than him to be the manager. I think my boss is professional,I don't think a lot of ppl can meet his requirement unless he pays more than 10000 to get a manager in the same filed.I have faith that I can do good sales. But I don't think I am stable,sales require certain time to grow.

He told he was busy to think today. and told he would tell me his decision tomorrow.

 

8 years 22 weeks ago
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Viki87:

He gave all sales sales target monthly. If we can't reach the target,he will deduct some salary from us. So even if I require 7000,I won't get all 7000 as base if I can't reach the sales target monthly. I am thinking then he actually have something in control. I also found out that the sales in the company off work about 9pm almost every night. That's really too much.

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coolhelp Viki. 

Hotwater:

Try helping yourself! You've had lots of advice off posters here over the last year or so....but you regularly seem to ignore it. 

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Viki87:

My boss doesn't want me to resign but he does not come to company to  solve things with me nor agree to give tthe salary I want.

Another job offer is waitting for me to on board soon,

8 years 22 weeks ago
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Hotwater:

Then take it if you think it is better

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Viki87:

I can not leave now as my boss said he is too busy and avoid discussing it with me

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