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Q: How do you deal with posters, who post lies on this thread/Bo-ard?

Do you just let it go, or do you challenge it?

 

Few examples:

 

- Dokken: ''Co. offered Contract for sign, and after 'sign&date', they stop contacting me/replying to my emails."

When I asked for the name of the Co., answer was never given. Dokken came back later with reply: 'they were on holidays, and they didn't tell me! They are placement agency'.

Wouldn't it be wise to contribute to the Board and post the name of the Co., for which you posted negative Q? You know, maybe somebody else can avoid the same problems you have, if the name of the Co. is publicly revealed. Leach no. 1

- Spider: "lengthy Q about useless employer, and what not."

After an advice to call SAFEA, Spider couldn't reach anybody at FEB because phone lines were busy, which followed by suggestion to ask at the Bank, if banker could dial SAFEA. By the way, this is a 100% positive solution, which I implemented in Yingkou, Liaoning. It's very simple: phone call from Gov. (bank) to Gov. (SAFEA), and it worked. 

After few days recess of posting BS, Spider entered: 'SAFEA is useless' with stating 'FEB agent told me.....', but it's clear that Spider wrote something what he learned by reading replies here.

We didn't get the name of his useless employer either, so all posters here are more than welcome to apply at his school in the future.

'Ohh, I just like to get an info&help, but I'm jealous, and I don't want to give anything in return.'

Thank you, leach no. 2! 

 

- Hotwater: "Q about moving in Guangdong from one employer to another under Residence permit"

He wrote in his post: '....and pls, icnif don't suggest SAFEA, because they are useless'

By my experience, SAFEA was always efficient in solving any of my problems in 5 different Provinces, and I offered to Hot I'll dial them, and see why aren't they helping him. However to do that, I must know his profession and RP sponsor to be able to find out info at SAFEA about regulations of 'Non-teaching profession on changing an employer, and keeping RP intact'.

No answer!

Wouldn't you think, this is another lying scumbag posting lies under anon cover?

 

Last one is Star, for who we get an excellent comment/warning of 'Engl Tits' (c&p post of expat) on Star's last 'widows&doors' Q.

 

All suggestions are welcome, but I'm really confused here. I didn't ask for a favor. I offered help.

 

Doesn't matter what suggestion is given, I won't 'let off the gun', till I don't measure these 'little mincey faggot balls' (posters).

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I think you’re taking all of this far too personally.

 

This is (for the most part) an anonymous forum. As such, you get soundbites instead of thorough discourse and you cannot convey tone of voice or see the body language.

 

There’s a wide variety of upbringings, cultures and age variances as well.

 

Then there’s the individual motives why the posters came to China, stay in China, and participate on these forums.

 

You have your experiences with SAFEA at various times and locations. I’ve never used either service as I’ve never encountered any need to do so (save one time a vice-dean lied to me about my visa but I found out the truth and confronted him myself). Expatlife26 alluded to the idea that perhaps you having so many problems had something to do with your own manner of thinking/acting. Perhaps that has been his personal observations here. I have seen absolute a55h0les get new visas and visa renewals w/out a hitch and some really decent people have nothing but problems, but that’s my personal experience.

 

Sometimes, especially at night, frustration and/or alcohol (guilty!) plays a part in what gets asked/posted/responded to.

 

The upvotes/downvotes are sometimes warranted, sometimes vindictive/malicious, but who cares?

 

Something I always teach my students – when I give you criticism, I am not attacking you personally but critiquing your work.  Understand the difference and stay objective.

icnif77:

'One can always profit, when criticised.'

 

I'm not offended. I just don't find it sane, that you get lying scum-bag's post, just after you posted an useful advice, given out of the real experience.

And unbelievable 'no reply', after I offered to talk to FEB without looking for the real poster's ID. Just profession and RP sponsor.

 

I might take it too seriously this Board, but how would I advice somebody, if not taken seriously?

I signed on this Board with few Qs of my own at first. Now, whatever I know truthfully I announce it as a return for help I received in 'my beginning of China'.

I could say, I'm detailed person (sometimesangel), and after I spot School wants to shorten me, I pull out my Contract, and dial FEB few minutes later.

Another thing is: 'if B respects the Contract, how A shouldn't do the same?'.

And I'm so serious with this, that I was ready to move out of China, if I wouldn't get FEB's support at my first 'dial FEB' in 2010. 

I like Law and Regulations, too. Finding 'cracks&holes'.

I could say, I was the 'World champion in West' in this discipline.

I don't want to advertise my problems. I'm convinced, you all have similar problems as I. It's the Chinese way of life (with laowai).

I'm just thinking, anybody can do the same as I did, and have better outcome. And reply I get: '(my) SAFEA sucks!'. How come?

 

SAFEA & FEB is the same office. I can tell, you're problem-less not knowing that. SAFEA begins with State something and A as admin. in the end, and FEB is Foreign Expert Bureau. Same thing. 1st name is more 'academic'. O2,o2.

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but WHY do you think these guys are lying just because they didn't have a good experience with SAFEA??

 

So what? It's a government agency, those places always suck in any country!

 

Frankly it's a lot harder to believe someone saying that SAFEA is this wonderful place filled with motivated, chilvalrous, capable men who leap to defend the honor of any foreign teacher who has an employment problem than it is to believe there are 3 people on a forum who weren't impressed by them.

 

Especially when (no offense intended to you as a person your english could be way better than any foreign language I know) the person saying that writes in a way that reminds one of google translate. 

 

Maybe they have really helped you and that' great if they did! But if someone doesn't have a good experience that doesn't make them a liar

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Changed. Actually, I was thinking of SAFEA and the Labor Bureau. Some people get to stay in China without dealing with SAFEA contracts and only those from the local labor bureau.

Give me a break, I haven't had my 32nd coffee yet this morning.

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icnif77:

What brand are you drinking? You should only drink 'gourmet' stuff.  like Tarantino in Pulp.

Try African brands. There's 40 people queue under the London Bridge at small 2 staff coffee shop. Daily, anytime you're there, there's 20' wait for espresso-to-go. They brew some African brand, I can't recall the name.

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A drink my own mixture of Espresso with Kenyan

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You must feel that one. I'm drinking black tea in China. Got few bad espressos in 2009, and I changed to hong cha, instead.

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I think you’re taking all of this far too personally.

 

This is (for the most part) an anonymous forum. As such, you get soundbites instead of thorough discourse and you cannot convey tone of voice or see the body language.

 

There’s a wide variety of upbringings, cultures and age variances as well.

 

Then there’s the individual motives why the posters came to China, stay in China, and participate on these forums.

 

You have your experiences with SAFEA at various times and locations. I’ve never used either service as I’ve never encountered any need to do so (save one time a vice-dean lied to me about my visa but I found out the truth and confronted him myself). Expatlife26 alluded to the idea that perhaps you having so many problems had something to do with your own manner of thinking/acting. Perhaps that has been his personal observations here. I have seen absolute a55h0les get new visas and visa renewals w/out a hitch and some really decent people have nothing but problems, but that’s my personal experience.

 

Sometimes, especially at night, frustration and/or alcohol (guilty!) plays a part in what gets asked/posted/responded to.

 

The upvotes/downvotes are sometimes warranted, sometimes vindictive/malicious, but who cares?

 

Something I always teach my students – when I give you criticism, I am not attacking you personally but critiquing your work.  Understand the difference and stay objective.

icnif77:

'One can always profit, when criticised.'

 

I'm not offended. I just don't find it sane, that you get lying scum-bag's post, just after you posted an useful advice, given out of the real experience.

And unbelievable 'no reply', after I offered to talk to FEB without looking for the real poster's ID. Just profession and RP sponsor.

 

I might take it too seriously this Board, but how would I advice somebody, if not taken seriously?

I signed on this Board with few Qs of my own at first. Now, whatever I know truthfully I announce it as a return for help I received in 'my beginning of China'.

I could say, I'm detailed person (sometimesangel), and after I spot School wants to shorten me, I pull out my Contract, and dial FEB few minutes later.

Another thing is: 'if B respects the Contract, how A shouldn't do the same?'.

And I'm so serious with this, that I was ready to move out of China, if I wouldn't get FEB's support at my first 'dial FEB' in 2010. 

I like Law and Regulations, too. Finding 'cracks&holes'.

I could say, I was the 'World champion in West' in this discipline.

I don't want to advertise my problems. I'm convinced, you all have similar problems as I. It's the Chinese way of life (with laowai).

I'm just thinking, anybody can do the same as I did, and have better outcome. And reply I get: '(my) SAFEA sucks!'. How come?

 

SAFEA & FEB is the same office. I can tell, you're problem-less not knowing that. SAFEA begins with State something and A as admin. in the end, and FEB is Foreign Expert Bureau. Same thing. 1st name is more 'academic'. O2,o2.

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but WHY do you think these guys are lying just because they didn't have a good experience with SAFEA??

 

So what? It's a government agency, those places always suck in any country!

 

Frankly it's a lot harder to believe someone saying that SAFEA is this wonderful place filled with motivated, chilvalrous, capable men who leap to defend the honor of any foreign teacher who has an employment problem than it is to believe there are 3 people on a forum who weren't impressed by them.

 

Especially when (no offense intended to you as a person your english could be way better than any foreign language I know) the person saying that writes in a way that reminds one of google translate. 

 

Maybe they have really helped you and that' great if they did! But if someone doesn't have a good experience that doesn't make them a liar

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Sinobear:

Changed. Actually, I was thinking of SAFEA and the Labor Bureau. Some people get to stay in China without dealing with SAFEA contracts and only those from the local labor bureau.

Give me a break, I haven't had my 32nd coffee yet this morning.

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What brand are you drinking? You should only drink 'gourmet' stuff.  like Tarantino in Pulp.

Try African brands. There's 40 people queue under the London Bridge at small 2 staff coffee shop. Daily, anytime you're there, there's 20' wait for espresso-to-go. They brew some African brand, I can't recall the name.

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A drink my own mixture of Espresso with Kenyan

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You must feel that one. I'm drinking black tea in China. Got few bad espressos in 2009, and I changed to hong cha, instead.

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Icnif, really this is getting a little sketchy.

 

Sounds like those 3 guys had issues and SAFEA did not rush in to the rescue. Or they didn't want to deal with them.

 

Maybe they dont want to say exactly where they work and the problems they had, because it could get back to them somehow. It's nice of you to offer to help, really. But i can see a normal person not wanting to give out details to someone on a forum, even if that person seems friendly. There's NOTHING about not accepting your offer that is strange or suspicious. I ABSOLUTELY don't say where I work online. I cherish being able to talk about people I know and work with anonymously.

 

You think these guys are lying because they don't think SAFEA is helpful? 

 

What sinister motivations do you think these guys have in saying that SAFEA isn't helpful? Do you see some kind of conspiracy against them? I dont always see eye to eye with these guys you mentioned, but I respect they are real people. No reason to think a guy like dokken or hotwater isn't a real person.

 

Honestly why do you think these guys are lying? It's not a stretch to think some govt agency isn't always helpful.

 

Why are you so defensive about these guys? It's like with our favorite scammer who accuses anyone who doesn't believe him of being a recruiter. Everyone who doesn't succesfully call SAFEA for help is a liar?

 

Now you're calling us faggots? Are we faggots because we don't support SAFEA?

 

icnif77:

'Bullet-Tooth-Tony's quote' . He's bad! I think!

What does it mean 'faggot'? It must be something 'spineless'. I know, what 'fag' is, 'cause I use to smoke.

 

Personal info can be done by PM. At my last post to Hot I wrote: 'I want to check, if your statement about FEB is truth!'

 

Why did he ask Q, if he doesn't want solution now?

 

He's lying mastard!

 

It might be truth, Gov. isn't helpful, but in my experience 'you shouldn't let it go' till not satisfying A is given. And FEB was always helpful by my experience.

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I'm not the PC police I dont care if you call me a name

 

My point here is that somebody is acting very strangely here, and its not the guys who you mentioned.

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I know a guy who contacted SAFEA in my city with a complaint against his former employer and was threatened with deportation because major government officials controlled/ were investors in his former employer. I'm guessing it varies city to city.

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So I'm a lying mastard? You know nothing about me except of a vague plan to meet up for a beer a while back with Scotsalan that you cancelled as you were still busy in HK. 

 

I contacted SAFEA as you suggested and for my issue they were useless. I didn't respond to your final reply because to be honest I think you write a lot of rubbish most of the time. 

 

I can't doubt your experiences with SAFEA but as I said on my original question, I don't want any advice from you. 

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Icnif we demand you give us your current employers name and adress ad well as your passport number and bank card PIN number. If you dont do it? YOUR A DAMN LYING MASTERD!

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They are not lying, SAFEA as with many government agencies often do not answer the phone or keep it off the hook. 

SAFEA is useless when it comes to anything outside of non payment of salary.

And it varies city to city.

And you do not name the company while you are still working for them. They can fuck up your records. Happened to me.

icnif77:

If you don't believe one's post, you can disregard it or you can check it out.

post: 'CMB offers Gold ATM card to foreigners'. Just stroll to CMB and see it for yourself.

Now, things with FEB are different in my Chinese life than posters're hitting here.

So, let me check your statement by dialing your FEB. I need to know your profession and (maybe or maybe not) RP sponsor. It could be similar profession as your Chinese neighbour and some Co. across the street. No A, but full of statements how 'FEB sucks!'.

It doesn't in my experience.

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yeah but icnif, why would he give that to you? You’re probably just being nice, but like englteachted said these offces can make problems for you. You say the profession and the company they can figure out who you are in 2 seconds. To everyone else here you’re just some guy on a forum who talks like he’s running everything through google translate. Really I don’t mean that to put you down cause it’s not like I have any foreign language ability myself. But I sure as hell wouldn’t give you my personal info so you can call a govt office I just spoke to try and I guess…prove me wrong? Get the governments side of the story to prove I’m a liar? Wtf? Frankly I wouldn’t give my info to anybody who suggested that.

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icnif77:

I don't know any building/factory in the city he's in, so I can't say to FEB ''I would like to know regulations about moving RP for 'profession' working in 'factory from my city''.

I must say 'ballon blower, who's working in some Shunde 'ballon blow' joint'.

I also don't know, what kind of professions beside FTs are in China.

Point is different professions in China have different RP regulations.

 

Ohh, Hot is such a beautiful guy!

 

ButT.....his post about FEB is lie IMO, until proven different! Same with Spider and other moron. 

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I am a personal friend of hotwater. I can assure you, he tells no lies. He is one of the most honest people I know.

Please refrain from insulting people you do not know.

And remember icniff, we almost met up a few months ago in GZ. Hotwater and I were waiting for you when we got the message that you had been held up in SZ.

icnif77:

Scots, if I'm insulting, I'm doing it because of the posts and statements on this Board.

I'm not insulting you or anybody else, because we have never met.

I'm pissed, because after statement is posted ability to check it out is closed, as 'school offered Contract'; Q: 'Can you name the School?' No A!, or same with my Q to Hot.

Doesn't that sound suspicious? It does to me.

On the other side, anything I post is true and you can check anything I'm writing, anytime you want.

I don't see any difference between posting here or talking to anybody in real life. Never did and I never will.

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Its best not to name schools, or any other private business, people have problems with. A poster who does not name a school has more credabilty than someone who does. As soon as names come into it, so does the possibility of competitors bad mouthing.

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icnif77:

Of course, competitors should be bad mouthing, if poster is truthful! And school shouldn't behave that way anymore!

Enter above 'Helen', 'Education First' and some others I don't recall anymore.

Point of naming the school is 1. truthfulness, and 2. anybody who'll come across Contract with such an establishment can read impressions of other FTs.

That is the purpose of the Board. And 'why bananas are so fat in China?'.

Education First advertised jobs on Dave's. No more. I wonder why. Helen also disappeared from Dave's.

It's not too big impact by posting real school names, because they can just change name and continue with the same business. However, seeing the city, where school is located could give you some clues about your new establishment.

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Ok, I've not read the replies but I am going to responded to icnif77. I can tell know that I'm bloody annoyed. To be called a lying scumbag by an arse who posts crap all the time!

 

You claim I didn't answer. Yes I bloody did and you replied to me. See the first reply here:

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/transferring-work-permit-anothe...

 

and then you have the nerve to call me a lying scumbag! 

 

You're a waste of space mate. 

icnif77:

Does 'bloody' means 'underline' in English?

I wanted to check your statement 'SAFEA is useless' by dialing your SAFEA. I asked you for the detail of your RP (your profession and RP sponsor). That's a Q I've never received an A, so I assumed you're probably sneaking around somehow with statements about SAFEA on this Board.

How would you reveal anything personal with A: ''engineer' and Shenzhen 'Bolts& hammers'' or any other profession and Firm across the street of your real employer?

I know A, but only for the FT, but you aren't FT, so I didn't know what to ask at SAFEA. I assumed, it would be enough, if I would know your profession and maybe RP sponsor.

 

I highly doubt in your experience with Gov., because mine is completely opposite, and it ringed the bell after 'no answer'.

 

How do you understand statement in English: 'I've never received an A on my Q about profession and RP sponsor'? 

I didn't mean A on any Q I posted on this Board since 2010.

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Why on earth would a randon person want to phone up a government department to ask about another random persons experience? I can imagine that phone call. "Hello, safea, how can I help you ?" "Yes, this guy I dont know says you are shit. I disagree with him so I want your side of the story"... "Sorry sir, we dont discuss personal matters with third parties".

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expatlife26:

"sneaking around somehow with statements about SAFEA"?

 

Wtf do you care so much about this agency for? Nobody has an agenda against some rando govt office. They just don't care either way. 

 

It's like accusing someone of having an agenda against the Department of Motor Vehicles because they complained about the service there. 

 

YOU have made this really sketchy. What do you care so much that everybody say only good things about SAFEA?

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@ scotsalan

 

hahahaha that really cracked me up

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Why would random person.....? I was testing Hot and his statements and Q, he posted. Similar as when somebody posts bad vibe about the school, I'll ask for 'the name of the school'. But, poster refuse to name the school. Doesn't that ring a bell? Did you see any one of my negative experience posts without School's name and city, Province? I can always write and give all details, because I'm telling the truth!

I know how moving from one RP sponsor to another work for FT! Is that written in correct English?

I don't know, how it works for other professions. In order to ask Q about it, I would need to know other profession and I'm assuming RP sponsor.

FEB doesn't ask personal details for explanation of RP regulations.

Once you have particular complain, you should (I do) state your name and School, you're working for.

And I never mention word 'complain'. I always ask for the help and advice.

In Hot's example talk with FEB would go: ''I have friend in Shunde, who's foreigner, working as 'high ceilings painter'. He has RP sponsored by Guangzhou 'Paint & fat bananas'. 

Is it possible, he could move to other Firm in other district without returning home, and applying for new Z? Similar as FTs can do?"

I really don't want to help. I just want to get confirmation on how Guang FEB is useless.

Can you spot any improvements in my written Englo?

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Why don't YOU answer why you care so much that nobody say anything bad about SAFEA?

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icnif77:

Look expat: my experience with FEB is very positive, and I want everybody knows that, not because I'm being paid or because I want to practice my English. I offer possibility of different outcome with my FEB experience.

However, just after I wrote last 'FEB quick solution' one, threads against FEB appeared. 

One Hot's and another one Spider's. You wrote twice under my advice 'promoting SAFEA again!'.

Who gain, if I promote/describe positive FEB's actions? Is there any possibility I could be involved negatively-toward-the-Board?

I care, because they're lying by posting negative statements, and when is 'check-out' time, it's silence like under the water. BS statements, that's what I care!

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Of course you're not being paid, they aren't a business they dont want customers.

 

I get it, you cliam you had a good experience with them. But anyone who doesn't is a liar? WTF?

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Let's check! Maybe I'm wrong!

 

But, they refuse to let me check, so yes 'BS anon postings'!

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Fight fight fight fight fight! Icniff throws the first punch, oh no, it turns out to be gibberish.

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SAFEA GIVES YOU AIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You want some details icnif77?

 

okay. I'm an Engineer/Engineering Manager. Mechanical Engineering. 

Got my Z visa/first work permit/RP in 2012 working for the world biggest manufacturer of kettles controls. Hence the moniker Hotwater! 

I then changed from the job in Guangzhou to work for a shower enclosure factory in Shunde last September. No, I'm not naming them. Process was: company applied for WP (5 days), then we applied for new RP (15 days).  Bloody easy process changing from GZ to Shunde. 

 

Then I'm offered job as General Manager for newly formed WFOE in GZ. Subsidiary of UK/HK parent company. Again, for privacy, no names. 

 

Then in I came across the problem of GZ saying I needed to get a new Z visa and asked my question that you referred to when you called me a lying bastard above. 

 

I didn't reply to your 2nd question because to put it bluntly. You are a bullshitting little prat! You continually post c&p replies about SAFEA, c&p from zero hedge & give advice on CMB. 

 

Safea were here no use for me, you're right about CMB (I also bank with them) and your zero hedge c&p' scan sometimes be informative. 

 

But....your "question" here is ill informed and offensive. 

icnif77:

The point of this Q was 'what is the reason you wouldn't give out few details I asked, so I can see how your FEB is useless'.

And, as soon as I would be able to dial them and ask about similar matters as yours, I'll post a reply.

 

It was friendly request on which you responded with silence, what was unusual, because I didn't ask for any personal details. I stated 'can I have your occupation in China', and then 'who's your RP sponsor'. I know two places you want to move, and that's all I need.

I'll dial the phone, and ask if it's possible to keep RP same as at FTs while moving from one RP sponsor to other, or one must exit China and apply for new Z, what demand I find very strange (for FT).

However, you blocked my request with silence, what I found it shady, or most likely you're posting some baloneys.

I've never asked you for any personal details, because I don't need it.

I want to see, how Guang FEB is useless, and why.

 

I'll reply back to the Board as soon as I get an answer.

This thread (Q) was provoked partially by your silence on my Q about your profession and RP sponsor. You were the third in the line-up.

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Why does anyone get sucked into this bullshit? Its really hypocritical for Icniff to call people liars when his whole existance is a lie. Either he works for SAFEA or the only reason he still has a Visa for this place is because he gives everyone at SAFEA BJs.

I mean how else can you explain it?

When he speaks I am positive he confuses himself.

Kenny has been killed less times than this guy has been fired. (South Park!)

And we are allll supposed to believe that if there is any issue what so ever , the Chinese government will be there to help.

I have actually met ICNIFF we spoke on the phone for 6 hours! And i still didnt understand a damn word.

I hava a great proposal. For every one time this guy writes about how great safea is we band together and post 10 safea horror stories. True or not.

One time I called SAFEA for help because my faucet leaked a single drop of water and they wanted me to pay the water bill !!!!! I showed them the contract and it did not include single drops of water from leaky faucets so i refused. When they pressured me to pay i called SAFEA. They came to my house and slaughtered my dogs. NEVER AGAIN.

expatlife26:

Haha I know! I've never seen anybody get so excited about a government office before. Like somebody would go and defend the honor of the Department of Motor Vehicle or the Fish & Wildlife bureau.

 

He definitely doesnt work there cause govt offices are lazy as fuck. The last thing they want is a bunch of people calling them.

 

makes no sense.

 

I think hes just a nutjob. Loser 101 on the other thread saying how it was never his fault, everybody has employment problems, and if you dont have problems that just means youre a total pussy or something.

 

honestly though I just want people to realize his advice is shit. If hes for real that he's been fired so many times than he's the last person to be giving advice. Maybe SAFEA can help with  certain things, but its like the aggresively obnoxious kid who gets himself beat up and then runs to the teacher giving advice on how to run to the teacher. How about not getting fired in the first place?

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No no no he didnt get fired. They parted ways amicably when an agreement couldnt be made on who should pay the remaining 12rmb from the internet.BAM SAFEA! And the time before that wasnt a firing either. It wad a conflict of interest due to the free apartment not having bedsheets with the same thread count as per the contract. SAFEA BITCH! Can you imagine what actually goes through the safea workers minds when he calls?? Dude i am playing Candy Crush! I dont have time to raid a school because the free lunches provided to you where not up to standard!

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Ha ha. Have an upvote Mike.... you made a post without mentioning your car :) Ha ha. Great post.

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haha I swear one of those things you threw out is true verbatim that he said.

 

I remember like a year ago, maybe it was the internet one, but he was bitching he got let go and I earnestly suggested "hey man, you realize your english really isn't that good. Maybe they fired you because of that and just the other thing as an excuse or it was just the last straw or something."

 

and dude he flipped the fuck out on me haha.

 

but i mean seriously, I figure this guy is just really fussy and difficult. And also from the way he writes here not a great english speaker. To a school  you can prolly be fussy and difficult if you're a native speaker, and you could not be a native speaker if you're friendly and agreeable. But here's Icnif working a job that I really don't think he can do and then ALSO being really fussy and argumentative. 

 

Icnif, these schools bend the rules to hire you and then maybe expect you to bend the contract a little bit or at least not bitch at them all the time. Youre all about the letter of the law when its to your benefit, but really the letter of the law says you shouldn't work there at all. Im not saying that to be mean or anything but it's the fucking truth man! What's wrong with you? The chinese are kinda dicks so they're going to take advantage of that a little bit. It sucks, and I feel for you but its what happens when you put yourself at the mercy of scumbags. You make a choice to do that.

 

But wtf is a school gonna do about noisy neighbors you know? That's not really appropriate for them to go to someones home and demand they be quiet because it bothers icnif77. Bummy chinese are really fucking loud and obnoxious. They suck, believe me I agree with you. So why don't you get an apartment on your own? Negotiate instead of an apartment they kick you some extra bucks to get your own place that you can choose yourself. Then you can get your own internet in your name and get decent service. Are you scared to have the bills in your own name or something?

 

But no, you expect losers with low standards to take care of you when theyre breaking the rules hiring you at all, and then you bitch when they don't do it to your expectation. Just get a job a training school or something man. Get your own apartment, your own life instead of fucking up and calling SAFEA. 

 

I fucking swear to you that I do not have a problem with non native teachers cause I know that's where your excuse-making brain is going to go. Not one bit. Thats great you can get a job. But yeah they're breaking the rules to get you a visa. Im sure you can teach basic classes with a book in front of you, but probably not any better than the local teachers. You don't have the flexibility a native speaker does to be fussy about details of the contracts. The fact you've been fired so many times is proof of that. So man up, see what your situation is and make choices for  no stress instead of bitching.

 

Sorry for the rant haha, had a few after work german brews and i'm all full of myself. Really though you need to stop blaming other people and get your shit together or you're going to grow old bitching about the chinese putting you in shitty apartments.

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@expat: you're switching and twisting the facts again. I've never been fired! My Rec. letters in Chinese are apparently blast, and I don't have too many problems to get new job.

There is no such a Law (WP for Native English Teacher only) in China. It is Provincial SAFEA's decision on granting WP to Non-native Teacher. I had RP in Hebei, Liaoning, Xinjiang, Fujian and now in Henan. Whatever School must do to employ me, it isn't my problem. I hear often at first contact with school, if it's possible to get WP for Non in that Province.

I got Z for Fujian School in HK in May, 2014. Apartment I was complaining for was bad. Noise was from the upper floor apartment, which was locked/empty. Some metal thing was banging on the balcony fence always when windy. Is ever not windy on 10th floor? At night? I was sleeping with cotton swabs stuffed into my ears.

Our Contract had provision: 'either part can quit contract without reason given with 30-days notice'. If I'm honest, I was looking for the new position out of Fujian's apartment with intention to quit as soon as I would get something normal.

I found the job here in Henan during my 30-days stay after I got dismissal. Fujian SAFEA made school let me stay in apartment 30 days after DNotice. School wanted to get rid of me in 7-days, but that warranted 'gross violation'.

Problems in Xinjiang started two weeks before completion of the Contract, not during. Same here in Henan. They want to shorten me for over 10k, and in the same time, they offered new contract. Why do they think I'm that 'ben'? I almost get an inferiority complex here.

When I ask: 'Do you want me to change anything in my work?' No, all is cool and dandy. And I ask that often everywhere I am.

In Henan, students grade me, beside Chinese teachers observing class at least once a week. 'Everything is splendid with your work.' I didn't see grades students gave me, but School offered new Contract, so it can't be that bad.

I'm happy with work I do in China.

Now, since I respect the Contract, I demand School does the same, or else.

It never crossed my mind, school must bend the rules to get me employed. I asked Zhejiang SAFEA: 'Tell me please, how am I responsible, if school runs me on F visa for the 2nd extension, and posts salaries to my bank account?'

Just say: 'No WP for Non, and I'll go elsewhere.' But, I always get position. It's much easier to get new gig now, then it was in the beginning. School must bend the rules? Where did you get that?

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i was seriously considering writing a topic about how i worked illegally for over three years. you know, since everyone overemphasizes the need to have a legal working visa, and then get screwed around by a boss who thinks he owns you.

in smaller cities, bribes replace documentation. it's easy to find stable work without the right papers. the only two legal teachers i met were a drug addict and a fugitive wifebeater (who later told me all his papers except the visa were fake).

China is corrupt to the bone. Telling people to stick to the rules because it's allegedly safer is folly. SAFEA is a puppet show. no idea why they like icnif but not others.

Oh and in case icnif wants to report me for past transgressions: this topic is about lying on the thread (i assume you meant board), so … kidding! it's all a joke, who knows what's true.

icnif77:

I agree, who knows what's true. However, lie never came of out of my keyboard, and most things I post here can be checked.

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Hotwater:

Lie never came out of your keyboard? What's your nationality? I've heard various rumors....one is that you're a friend of Slobodan. Anything to do with Srebenica?

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icnif77:

No, I'm not from Bosnia or 'Slobodan' as it is Serbian name.

 

I came from my mom. Everybody does. Didn't you know that?

 

I'm confused a bit here.

Mmhh..., If you did know 'mom part' (as you/everybody else say), why did you ask me then?

I've always sucked at chess.

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I don't think there is anything wrong about icnif except for this lying and calling out post...

Just like him, if there is something in the world which benefits me I would like to share it with as many people as I could. Though i ve been living here for two years only recently I successfully linked Alipay to my bank card and now I can do all the online shopping on my cellphone.. Since then I have extended this knowledge to countless random foreigners I met.. Similarly websites like train ticket booking, cinema tickets.. It's good to help and be helped and I think that is what icnif does. He is a fan of Merchants bank and safea thus he urges others to benefit from them...

icnif77:

Can you name one of my lying posts, please?

 

I hope, I explained my 'calling-out' posts!

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I am sorry you misunderstood me.. I did not mean to say that you lied..I meant to say the post in which you called others liars and called them out etc..

 

other than that consider me as one of the fans of your word games..I find interesting what you write humorously ..

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Agree with hunny

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A: "... through ..."?  Only "through" comes to mind is "Shenzhen agent can connect you with an employer, who's authorized to hire waigouren ... and can sponsor Z visa." It's not like every 10th person you meet in Shenzhen's hood can sponsor work visa ...  The only way to change from student to labourer visa is just a regular way by: 1. Finding an employer, who'll apply for an Invitation letter; 2. Exit China and apply for Z visa in your home country's Chinese embassy; 3. Enter China in 30-days after Z visa was stamped into your travelling instrument ...As I am aware, you won't be able to switch to Working permit by remaining in China....,so make ready for a return to your home .... -- icnif77