Almost:

Suggest you visit this link to get some correct information about what is really "REQUIRED" and what is "OPTIONAL"...http://www.scam.com or http://www.chinateflnews.wordpress.com or https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140828175736AAOmSZF

"This is the mother of all scams that is claiming over a thousand victims every month to the tune of about $3 million per month. It is the most believable scam I have ever encountered because hundreds of sales agents and China job recruiters, and fake employment agents will post over a thousand ads every week that offer great, but fake jobs in China with a very clever lie inserted in every ad that says "TEFL Certificate Required" or "TESOL Certificate Required". After seeing so many of these ads online, these endless spam ads get us all to believe that we must have a TEFL or TESOL certificate to get a teaching job in China, which frankly is ABSOLUTELY FALSE! In reality, YOU DO NOT NEED A TEFL NOR TESOL CERTIFICATE TO TEACH IN CHINA!!! After a month of waiting for a reply from the Ministry of Education and SAFEA (the Chinese government agency that regulates the employment of foreigners in China), I finally got a reply from the SAFEA's director's office Friday. What did I inquire about? I asked him the following question... "Many TEFL & TESOL training companies as well as China job recruiters and agents are insisting that A FOREIGN TEACHER MUST HAVE A TESOL OR TEFL CERTIFICATE TO TEACH IN CHINA. Is this true and if so can you please cite the exact law for me?" His reply in part is as follows and I quote... "There has never been any legal or other requirement for foreign teachers to have neither a TEFL nor TESOL certificate to teach in China. Unfortunately a few unethical job recruiters and companies that sell TEFL & TESL training have been telling teachers otherwise". He also went on to confirm... "The current and only legal requirements for a foreigner to work in China are the following: 1. Bachelor degree from any accredited university 2. Minimum of 21 years of age 3. Two years prior work experience 4. Fluency in the English language 5. Police certificate confirming no criminal record 6. A valid passport and work visa (Z visa)" Based on this response it is now very clear that the below TEFL & TESOL companies and the HR agents and recruiters have been lying just to make more sales of expensive training courses that we don't need that range in price from $99 to $4,999! Do the math... Now there are two other deviations of this scam that are explained quite well at this link: http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/vie...p?f=34&t=88874 If you doubt any of the above you can confirm directly with your own embassy, the Chinese consulate or visit the SAFEA websiite at http://SAFEA.gov.cn or http://www.chinascambusters.com. If YOU get solicited and told the above lie, please post the name of the party you spoke with and their company and their email here in this thread to help warn others. The CFTU already has a great blacklist of about 150 such offenders on their website. Someone tried to create a "China's Liar List" at Dave's ESLcafe.com but after about 30 companies/individuals were listed people realized that half of them bought paid advertising on that forum and admin locked the thread! This is proof that you can never fully trust what you read at ESL forums and message boards. Paid advertising takes priority over your welfare and scam safety!

Almost:

Here is the correct Scam.com thread:  http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=616386

expatlife26:

Wow! What a hero you are almost! To share these great links with this forum. And twice too! It's almost like you have a vested interest in our goodwill to post it twice! Where do you find these great links?

Clearly you are like Gary Hobson, a resident of Chicago, Illinois who mysteriously receives the Chicago Sun-Time newspaper a day in advance., effectively giving him knowledge of the potential future.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Edition

Almost:

If you want to antagonize people try another forum like Dave's ESL cafe, China Scam Patrol,or scam.com who also agree with the OP on this issue:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=107979

http://www.chinascampatrol.org

http://chinateflnews.wordpress.com

expatlife26:

Yeah! China scam patrol! Cause thats a real forum and not one of your amateurish bullshit sites. I am telling you directly I think the CFTU clearly isnt real, that doesnt mean youre a criminal but understand thats how it comes off. Nobody with a real name talks about the cftu. No site discusses the CFTU except sites that seem to exist only to discuss the CFTU. If you set out to extort recruiters/schools you could not have made a better system to do it with. Is there any real person who has a facebook page with history or a flikr account with photos from your famous singles events? A linkedin where someone puts their volunteer experience up? I mean come on now, please give an intelligent response to the statement "the cftu is clearly a lie" show its not and ill take this back. You could be one guy who wants to take on bad recruiters, but youre clearly a liar so why should we think youre not a criminal too? Tell us the truth and maybe we can help.

expatlife26:

one more thing i want to say, is tnat i think you know you cant possibly convince me the cftu is real, but you dont have to. You just need to make the debate look two sided to someone coming from a search engine. Thats your game, so why dont you stop acting like a little criminal and talk to us like a human being.

Almost:

I am now convinced you are one of the expat teachers in China who hustle TEFL training programs on the side for a few bucks my friend.  I guess we should ignore the fact that both the Chinese and American consulates/embassies and SAFEA agree with the below links and believe YOU instead?   When the facts are not convenient for you, you have a propensity to attack the user presenting them.  How convenient.  Anyone more interested in facts than opinions are welcome to visit the below links...BTW... I never tried to convince about anything related to the CFTU and I am only vaguely knowledgeable about that group. Perhaps I agree with them about a few issues and disagree about others. But it seems you are th eonly one that keeps bringing them up in any and every thread related to teaching in China. Do you have some ax to grind with them?

http://SAFEA.gov.cn

http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=1783414&postcount=3

http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com

http://chinateflnews.wordpress.com

http://www.chinascambusters.com

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=107979

http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com

expatlife26:

Ok so once again you avoid what I said. Exactly what I said you would do. I dont sell goddamn tefl courses. Im calling you a liar because the CFTU is clearly not real. You are probably a crim

Almost:

I agree that a TEFL or TESOL certificate would benefit almost any teacher but what irks me is that newbie teachers abroad are being lied to by the recruiters and sales reps from TEFL & TESOL sales reps that are telling them that these certificates are "mandatory requirements" when they are not. This is quoted from scam.com.... http://www.scam.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "This is the mother of all scams that is claiming over a thousand victims every month to the tune of about $3 million per month. It is the most believable scam I have ever encountered because hundreds of sales agents and China job recruiters, and fake employment agents will post over a thousand ads every week that offer great, but fake jobs in China with a very clever lie inserted in every ad that says "TEFL Certificate Required" or "TESOL Certificate Required". After seeing so many of these ads online, these endless spam ads get us all to believe that we must have a TEFL or TESOL certificate to get a teaching job in China, which frankly is ABSOLUTELY FALSE! In reality, YOU DO NOT NEED A TEFL NOR TESOL CERTIFICATE TO TEACH IN CHINA!!! After a month of waiting for a reply from the Ministry of Education and SAFEA (the Chinese government agency that regulates the employment of foreigners in China), I finally got a reply from the SAFEA's director's office Friday. What did I inquire about? I asked him the following question... "Many TEFL & TESOL training companies as well as China job recruiters and agents are insisting that A FOREIGN TEACHER MUST HAVE A TESOL OR TEFL CERTIFICATE TO TEACH IN CHINA. Is this true and if so can you please cite the exact law for me?" His reply in part is as follows and I quote... "There has never been any legal or other requirement for foreign teachers to have neither a TEFL nor TESOL certificate to teach in China. Unfortunately a few unethical job recruiters and companies that sell TEFL & TESL training have been telling teachers otherwise". He also went on to confirm... "The current and only legal requirements for a foreigner to work in China are the following: 1. Bachelor degree from any accredited university 2. Minimum of 21 years of age 3. Two years prior work experience 4. Fluency in the English language 5. Police certificate confirming no criminal record 6. A valid passport and work visa (Z visa)" Based on this response it is now very clear that the below TEFL & TESOL companies and the HR agents and recruiters have been lying just to make more sales of expensive training courses that we don't need that range in price from $99 to $4,999! Do the math... Now there are two other deviations of this scam that are explained quite well at this link: http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/vie...p?f=34&t=88874 If you doubt any of the above you can confirm directly with your own embassy, the Chinese consulate or visit the SAFEA websiite at http://SAFEA.gov.cn or http://www.chinascambusters.com. If YOU get solicited and told the above lie, please post the name of the party you spoke with and their company and their email here in this thread to help warn others. The CFTU already has a great blacklist of about 150 such offenders on their website. Someone tried to create a "China's Liar List" at Dave's ESLcafe.com but after about 30 companies/individuals were listed people realized that half of them bought paid advertising on that forum and admin locked the thread! This is proof that you can never fully trust what you read at ESL forums and message boards. Paid advertising takes priority over your welfare and scam safety!" The people at China Scam Patrol recorded these sales reps telling people "The only way you can get a teaching job in China these days is to get a TEFL certificate from XYZ company." See these links for details: http://ChinaScamPatrol.wordpress.com and http://www.ChinaScamPatrol.org

Almost:

I do not think anyone would disagree that a real TEFL or TESOL program (not the online or software garbage) would make us all better teachers.  Even the CFTU suggests that any expat teacher who never taught anything before coming to china take one of tjose courses.

My beef is that the newbie teachers are being deceived and pressured into taking the courses under false pretenses that they are "MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS OF LAW" by recruiters and TEF/TESOL sales reps selfishly focused on only another commission or referral fee as per this link:   http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=617489

expatlife26:

You would dare contradict the great CFTU which totally isn't a lie made up but either a con artist or a crazy person??

How dare you!

Spiderboenz:

Dare I mention how a UNION is illegal in China, so even if it were a 'real' organization, it would be an illegal one?

expatlife26:

No no it's a trusted club that claims it meets with education ministers.

They say they have thousands of members...all of whom seem to be sworm to secrecy. Because they fear the govt will shut them down. You know, the same government that consults with them over policy.

You can tell it's true because there are all these websites out there that ONLY talk about the CFTU. Can't argue with that.

Almost:

That is yet another false rumor being spread by the TEFL sales agents friend.  Neither a TEFL, TESOL, nor a CELTA certificate takes the place of the two year requirement.  I suggest you get current on the law and visit these links...

http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=1783414&postcount=3

http://www.chinateflnews.wordpress.com

http://www.SAFEA.gov.cn

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140822105809AAfNT7B

http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com

The biggest problem is that a lot of expat teachers in China earn a few extra bucks on the side hustling TEFL programs and collect commissions. Many of them post on expat forums like this one. The truth about TEFL requirements is not helpful for sales. But I personally suggest teachers who never taught before coming to China (maybe about half of them) should take a real TEFL course (not the online garbage) and it will make them a better teacher for sure.

Almost:

No friend, a TEFL cert does not take the place of the 2 year work experience requirement.  Where are you getting your info?  Here are my links:

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=617489  and

http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com  and  http://SAFEA.gov.cn

expatlife26:

No friend,

It says right here the cftu approves ALL tefls as being "good as gold".

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/tefl-certificate-good-gold-china-foreign-teachers-union-cftu

unscrupulous recruiters including but not limited to Almost just hack our websites and post whatever nonsense they enjoy writing. They use their own forum posts to support their positions. This practice is explained in detail here

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/recruiter-scam-alert-have-you-been-victim

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/tefl-certificate-good-gold-china-foreign-teachers-union-cftu

Remember that all true CFTU posts will include a picture of pinocchio or a confused person. No picture or a picture of something else means it is the false CFTU posting and they are the villains.

Almost:

Correction:  If you don't have a TEFL certificate you will get the job anyway.  TEFL certificates are required by less than 3% of all the schools and learning centers in China that hire foreigners.  See these links:

http://chinateflnews.wordpress.com

http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=1783414&postcount=3

http://www.chinaforeignteahersunion.com

http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=88874

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=107979

expatlife26:

I have no idea about tefl, my opinion is that youre clearly a liar about the CFTU because its absurd. In my opinion it is possible you are a criminal so I want you to clarify why say your group is this trusted resource but also seems to not exist. Fuck your links until you talk to us like a human being and not a little criminal.

Almost:

The OP is about TEFL/TESOL/CELTA requirements to teach in China. YOU are the one who keeps trying to link the CFTU to every post on this forum friend - not me. Why you are obsessed with them puzzles me.  Are you one of the people described in the below links by any chance?

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/04/12/too-many-agents-recruiters-now-posting-teachers-expat-forums

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125

http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523

http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12147-beware-of-agents-recruiters-masquerading-as-esl-tefl-teachers-at-expat-esl-tefl-forums.html

With all your ranting about the CFTU you said NOTHING about what YOU think about TEFL or TESOL requirements in China. Do you have an opinion on the topic or are you one of the people peddling TEFL courses for a few extra dollars?

The reason people post links is to back up their opinions. You clearly see no problem with people being misled (lied to) about "mandatory TEFL requirements" in China. I disagree with your opinion. So does the U.S. Embassy, the Chinese government, and hundreds of teachers who already got scammed.

As I said previously TEFL and TESOL training can really benefit all the expats who suddenly become teachers in China only because they are native English speakers and in reality, never taught a thing in their lives.  But I also think they won't learn squat in these garbage on-line courses and need to find a university-sponsored TEFL/TESOL program that is accredited and issues a certificate that is actually recognized and accepted around the world.  If you disagree that is fine. The world would be a truly boring place if we all agreed with one another.

expatlife26:

Yeah you're right. Sorry dude.