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Q: I think China is not that bad after the NYC trip, actually I saw more good sides.

Now I feel China isn't that bad after the NYC trip. China is not great as China has it's own problem, but still not a bad country to live life.

 

America is great in some way, such as the freedom to criticize the government in front of the media, but it has some problem too, like the gun is legal there and I noticed that most people who do bad jobs are the black Americans. I heard good universities in the US are expensive for many Americans, but in China most families can afford to pay their kids to attend a good university.

 

A lot of westerners in China complain China has caused pollution, but can't just blame china alone right? China can't produce that much pollution if there's no demand for the cheap goods. The big currency exchange rate plays a big role in the world for the environment. You can't expect all humans to care the environment that much while they are thinking of their profit and low spendings.

 

A lot of westerners say that my 10000rmb salary isn't that much money, sure it is a shitty money in most western cities. But you can't just judge my salary in this way right? I'm a Chinese who makes 10000rmb a month in Shanghai, which is actually quite decent in Shanghai, I think the average salary in Shanghai is 6000-7000rmb. Remember that 1USD Dollars is 6.6rmb. It costes me 8-10 USD Dollars for a simple lunch in Mahattan. My rent in Shanghai is 2200rmb and I cook at home quite often or I eat out in most local restaurants cost around 15rmb. So I can get by 4000rmb for a month with all fee included.

 

Some say that my trip in NYC is wasted, but as the first time to visit this country, can't be expecting to get everything well explored right? Yes I didn't plan that much before the trip. It is a bit pity that I spent most of my visiting time on seeing the commercial side of New York. As most big commercial cities are similar, next time I'll go explore some more local stuffs.

 

But I talked with the New Yorker lives in the neighborhood and I talked with the NYC cop and the people I met there. Still good experience:)

 

But however to me the most special place is the place where my family is and where I grew up, it is my village. I really want to make it back to visit my family there, I start missing them and I know they are missing me too;(((

 

FYI: I just changed my post to express more feeling about my trip.

 

 I'll be flying back to China at 1:45am tonight. 15 hours long flight! I hate the small seats and loud noise on the plane. Can't sleep well on the plane.

 

 

 

 

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Not find anyone who wanted to marry you? Is that why you have decided that China is much better? Give it a week and you'll be asking advice on some dude who has fucked you and left you again.

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Not sure what your point is about salary. 1000 rmb is a low salary even by Chinese standards....In Shanghai hardly livable...It would be equivalent to living in New York City on $800 month....Near impossible.

 

Anyways, too bad you didnt find someone who could show you New York State...The countryside...mountains..Lake Placid...the Finger Lakes..the Catskills...Saratoga...That;s the wealth..NYC is just the facade..and I agree with you it has been downgraded and lost a lot of it's lustre, talent and cultural preminence...

It sounds like you didn't have anyon eto show you the City more intimately....how to spend the day seeing the sights (Met Museum...Guggenheim..Central Park...Coney Island...Brooklyn, etc) and mix them with more personal special and personal off-the-radar clubs and restaurants...If you are there alone and don't know the place it can be formidable and foreboding..You will just miss the comforts of home and realize how alone you are...Same as any city...It's how you integrate.

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Yeah I don't understand your point about the salary thing either.

 

If people complain about a salary of 10000 in Shanghai it's because 10k a month doesn't go very far and they won't have much left after rent etc because Shanghai is an expensive place to live. It's not related to what you'd expect to earn in New York doing the same job and it's not a dig at you personally or at China.

 

And the pollution thing... yes China took a lot of the manufacturing jobs from Western countries and that's a big reason for all the pollution.

But, China didn't do it to 'save' other countries from pollution. China did it to make fast money and they were very eager for the opportunity to do it. No other reason.

 

If people complain about the pollution in China it's because they find it unpleasant. And it is unpleasant. People leave China because they can't deal with the dirty air, it's not some anti-China thing, it's just people worried about their health. The same people would probably leave any other place that had the same poor air quality.

 

Anyway, It's good that you came back happier to live where you do and if you get some pride from Shanghai being a lot like NY then that's good too.

 

 

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Hmmmm, the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the hill. Who'd have guessed?

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haha, welcome home Viki.

 

Try Europe or Australia for your next trip!

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Can you please remove the "blacks", this is very rude and those people are no different than us or yourself a Chinese. Viki do you actually see that you're help younger guys here on this site become racist or to think with a racist mind? You're freaking sick! Please delete that "blacks" comment.

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I wish more racist Chinese like you would like to stay in China better than the USA.

 

(I've been in China for over 10 years, here's what she's saying 'I can never afford to come here, I couldn't find a guy to marry (visa sponsor), so I'm saving face by just saying I don't like it' Sour grapes) 

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RE: pollution. This is 100% in the hands of the local authorities! Take a look at most other cities in the developed world with comparable population and density. (and surroundings)

 

Most are MUCH cleaner than Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, Hangzhou, etc etc etc. Why? Because the local governments put restrictions and limitations in place. And, the factory owners either followed the law, or suffered punishment.

 

Are they 'perfect'? Mostly - no (there are exceptions in this regard) Are they better? Hell yes!

 

So, don't go blaming the pollution on the 'west' - blame it on those who invited the manufacturers here for reduced costs - including reduced environmental controls (and, thereby, the willingness to kill the people!)

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USA is indeed crap and Europe isn’t better. Killed by political bulsshitness, and low quality immigrants I can easy relate that shanghai is way better to live. Sure in the West we should learn from china on how to manage immigrants Wink Being said that this is the only thing we could learn from china. Proud to be chinese mainlander? Lmfao

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Not find anyone who wanted to marry you? Is that why you have decided that China is much better? Give it a week and you'll be asking advice on some dude who has fucked you and left you again.

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'I like China more after NYC trip'

 

OMG. Never go to USA again! 

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so you went to New York and it didn't live up to your expectations that were based on TV/movies? Big surprise.

 

you didn't like life outside your comfort zone and it sounds like you didn't even bother to do your preparation and research prior to traveling.

I mean who has to ask questions on tipping while on holiday? this is the sort of stuff you do prior to traveling, like having a check list of some things you are going to see.

i know where is on my 'must see' list when i travel to New York

 

What did you honestly expect on a holiday?

millionaires throwing themselves at you after you let them finger you (in car parks)?

Wall Street companies offering you multi-million dollar jobs based on your ability to piss co-workers off and trashing clients and your short-fuse when dealing with other people?

 

regarding the level of pollution.

most civilized countries have pollution emission standards that are enforced, so don't blame other countries for China's pollution problems.

the responsibility lies completely with Chinese companies who put profits first (it is possible to manufacture things to environmentally friendly standards, the technology is there. but Chinese company owners are too greedy to bother about the long-term as it cuts into profits) 

 

the most laughable thing is that you base your impression of the rest of the world on a 10 day holiday in New York. If you mind is so closed to other countries and cultures, don't bother traveling outside of China again.

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NYC is a state of mind...you have to appeal to its sentiments and in order to do that you have to find its sentiments appealing 

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An average hotel costs $152?!

 

I used to frequent stay in Manhattan and never paid more than $50 a night for a hotel. 

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