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Q: Is it easy for foreigners to teach Enlish in china?

 I've been learning English  for over 4 months,I can feel that most of the teacher ...they just repeat what the books like.They always correct me directly and then skip to the next slide,never tell me why,then time's up,class is over...

  Though I'm a adult,I should figure it out myself, but your my teacher,you know English than I do,and the most important is I spent money...

5 weeks 6 hours ago in  General  - China

 
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Only ify u speek reeely goodly

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It's actually how the training centres operate as far as I know. Teach from their set book & no time for deviation from it. 

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Why not ask 'why'?  As you said you are an adult. 

Training schools are not conducive for learning/ teaching. You have too many students who are on different levels and a short time, no time to baby one student.

 

And many times with English there is no reason why except  fluency, grammar and maybe sth else. 

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Only ify u speek reeely goodly

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I tell my students that teachers CAN NOT teach them to speak, read, write, or listen to English. What teachers do is provide the skills and other information. The student must take that information and practice, practice, practice. It is on the shoulders of the student to take the initative to learn English. We provide the information in various formats to best explain the material to the students. We use textbooks, homework, videos, project based learning, music, games, and other resources to show the students the skills and information for their learning. In the end, the truth is that if a student refuses to become their own teacher and practice the skills, they will not learn English. A person can not assume that just by sitting in a classroom, listening to a teacher and reading through a textbook, they will develop English skills. No amount of money paid to a person or company will give you the ability to use English. Practice, practice, practice.

This is true in most things in life. If you want to learn how to play basketball, it is only through practice that you learn how to dribble a basketball with control. You learn how to pass the basketball to teammates. You learn how to "shoot" the ball to score points. You learn the rules of the game through trial and error. You can not learn to play basketball by sitting in a classroom or merely watching it on TV.

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"........,and the most important is I spent money..."

 

Wrong, the most important thing is you really want to learn English. Having the money to pay a teacher is not the most important thing. If you really, really want to learn English and have no money, there are many, many ways to learn it without money, such as going to public libraries and use whatever resources available, for free, eg videos (cartoons included), reading good books (ie choose the bests because life is short, for one).

 

This is actually a good question that reflects a flawed yet general mentality china mainlanders have --- I spend money therefore I am king. You spend money buying a meal but does that include the cook's chewing and digesting the food for you? No.

 

Where is the person's own responsibility? I think communism is very much alive in china in this regard --- the State is moma, or in dalu terminology, grandpa, "ah Yea", eating "big wok rice".  No personal ownership, no personal responsibility, leading to no personal initiative. When something doesn't work, it is the fault of anyone but me. 

 

In education the same mentality is manifested in the form of "it is the teacher's fault when the student flunks the subject".  Guess what the results are? With the face cult and other real consequences, no teacher wants to flunk or even point out the mistakes of his/her students!  And then what? You produce a whole class of morons!

 

Nashboroguy nailed it when he talks about responsibility, which is shared by both the teacher and student. Viewing anything as a customer and supplier relationship is what makes daluren so nasty that everywhere they go   they are hated, globally. 

 

This kind of attitude is not beneficial to you as you can see, because in the end it is you who failed to learn. 

 

The best way is view it as a team cooperation, you take up your fair share of responsibility as a student and the teacher takes up his or hers.  You and the teacher are BOTH responsible for creating a win-win scenario.

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to the OP

don't blame the teacher, who is probably only teaching based on the response he/she it getting from the students - If you are not engaging with the teacher in the class-room, how is he/she expected to know what you want?

 

And don't make the mistake of equating an expensive training-school class with learning English quickly, if you don't make an effort yourself.

 

a few of the posters have hit the main nub of the problem is that you don't seem to be very active in making the most of the teachers time. Teachers are not mind readers - if you have a problem with the teacher tell the teacher, not a pathetic attempt to ignore your part in the learning process.

The more effort you put in to learning and practicing English, the better you will become.

Learning English is not confined to passively sitting in class but putting in practice every day and finding ways to apply what you have learnt.

 

'There is no royal road to English'

 

and don't use your experience with one teacher to passive-aggressively imply that an it is easy for foreigners to teach English in China.

Professional english teachers must go through a process to get a work visa to teach in a place that is legally able to hire teachers, and many training schools will hire anyone with a white face as a teacher (not always legally) because they know that many Chinese people are superficial enough to equate a white face with someone who will miraculously make them speak English.

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Ach, ye shouda lernt Scottush insteed.

Cos then ye always hae an an excuse fir no being understood Smile

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Just because you paid doesn't mean you are the king. Especially true considering the overall poor quality of the service industry in China. Also the teacher is only getting a tiny part of whatever money you paid to the center.

You paid for a service, English courses according to the center's offer, be it oral or grammar or whatever class you booked, and the teacher doesn't have any obligation to do anything else than follow the teaching plan.

The teacher hasn't been paid to be your friend or something, he doesn't have any obligation to sympathise with you but to remain professional and teach his lesson. Any interaction between you and the teacher should remain professional, the teacher has no obligation to answer personal questions (first name, age, hometown, hobbies, etc...) that Chinese students usually ask Foreign teachers but would never dare to ask Chinese teachers.

If you wish for your teacher to be more like a babysitter to you, with personal attention at any given time, it's going to cost you a lot more than what you paid for English lessons. If you wish for him to be your friend, you gotta stand out of the crowd and give him a reason to like you, a reason that isn't money or language exchange, true friendship isn't based on personal interests to Westerners. I am still friend with people I briefly taught almost 10 years ago, because they are not your average Chinese, they stood out and made me interested in them.

Overall your demands and expectations should strictly be what you paid for. Teachers in training centers see a lot of students everyday, they do not have time to focus on each one individually beyond making sure that they understand the content of the lesson.

If you want more attention and a better teacher, contact Foreigners in your area and pay them good money directly to teach you in their home or in some coffee shop. Cut the middle man training center that takes 90% of the money for themselves and pays the teacher peanuts.

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Yes it is easy to teach English In China for almost anyone. Especially the "training' and 'International " centers. Money is the name of the game here. The more profit, the easier.

for the English teacher who is not from China, that is. Public schools and post secondary educations are more picky, but pay the foreigners less,however, have superior living conditions. 

It wasn't this way 10, or even 5 years ago.

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I can not understand how you expect your English teacher to know what you want if you don't speak to him/her directly.

 

You are not a child in Middle School now, so you should not be following the advice of a teacher who probably had 50 children in a class and needed to impose discipline.

How many are in your class now?

15 people?

20 people?

do you still need to be told to pay attention (especially when you are paying for a class), or do you still need to be told what to do?

 

It sounds like you expect your teacher to read your mind about what you want. Is it just you who wants more explanations from the teacher, or the whole class?

one of the many ways to learn is to listen to other people's problems with English, because they might be the same as your problem. 

You say it is impolite to talk to the teacher, but why do you not raise your hand if you have a problem.?

It is even more impolite to your teacher posting a question like this when you don't seem to have tried to solve the problem with your teacher first.

 

I can see that you have no problem understanding the other replies from other posters, so i can't understand why you think i said that i hate Chinese people.

Where did i say that? Did you just read a few words and think you understood the whole meaning of the sentence?

is the only reason you asked what country i was from, because you want to make a negative comment about it ? (because you seem to have decided that i hate Chinese people)

 

 I suggest you let your teacher (or some other teacher) read this thread so they can explain to you that there have been many good suggestions.

In my experience, the best way to solve a problem is to talk to the person directly (your teacher), not complaining to other people.

 

The solution to your problem is in your hands (and is your responsibility).

TALK DIRECTLY TO YOUR ENGLISH TEACHER.

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Sorry ! Don't be afraid to ask again and again

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You are a coward, let's face it. You lied about not asking out of consideration. You think paying money means the teacher does all the work, including reading your mind.  You insulted that teacher's character by calling him unprofessional. 

A good teacher needs an engaging student (ask questions when you have). This post has butthurt written all over it, deflecting from your cowardice. 

I've been in China for over 10 years, I know why Chinese students don't ask questions, face. You paid your money so do your part 

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If you don't understand something in class you either ask right there or after class.  

 

If you think the level or method of teaching is too difficult for only you and you don't want to interrupt the class, then ask after class.  

 

If you think most in the class have the same problem ask other classmates,  find out if that is true. If it is, discuss it with the teacher.  Any good teacher would consider your suggestions seriously.  This is your fair share of responsibility. Do your homework.

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To the OP i would encourage you to ask questions in class. It is relevant at that particular time and i guarantee that if you have a question then others in the class will have the same question at the same time.

A teacher worth his weight in shit would have a lesson plan that allows for this and an explanation will have little to no effect on learning time.....and may be the most beneficial part of the class.

Don't be a pussy. Ask at the time you have the question. If you are worried about losing face by doing this then stop wasting your time learning anything. "The man who never made a mistake and never asked a question never made anything".

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