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Q: Native English teachers Visa rule widely being enforced in China. Is that true?

I  had this conversation with a recruiter saying that China government officially required that any province must enforce this rule with an immediate effect of making the pursuit to getting a job in China rather impossible for the NNE. 

However, I was suggested to consider a business visa for an entry and work in Guangzhou, without any risks at all.

According to the recruiter, there are many who got English teaching jobs on Business Visa, claiming that they applied for other joba or reasons that complied with that type of visa, but accessed to a teaching job, afterall.

 

I had to disagree and refuse this path anyways, and insisted that the law, while enforced in some provinces, does not prevent NNE teachers from getting an English teaching job in China. Then I was told that this rule is being enforced starting June, this year. 

 

The recruiter, eventually suggested to record a short video presentation which is required by the prospective employers, hence, schools, etc. and send it asap.  

 

My reaction was that, unlike the odds, it is neither that nor the experience that decide my chances, rather the way I look in order that I succeed through a beauty face selection and be offered a job. I am aware of how that it works in China, so I understand it.

 

However,  what are the chances for a NNE teacher today, to get that job in China?

 

Thank you in advance for your input. 

1 week 3 days ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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You gotta do what you think is right, we all gotta survive some how. So just do it!

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Of course it is. Do you think the recruiters and head masters want to get fined? They would never want to jeopardize the high profits they make from having an FT.

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This is China, what they say and what they actually do are miles apart in every aspects of society.

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I  had this conversation with a recruiter saying 

 

 

There's your answer. You should know better, talk to icnif

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If you have travelled around Asia, you will get the pattern that talking is just words without meaning... this is doubly so in China. 

 

Smokes and mirrors... look over here while I do that... 

 

If they were so transparent why the massive VPN ban? 

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The issue that would get you caught out is that the school will pay tax under the ID you privide (ie: passport number and name). A simple check of the tax records will show what visa you are on the to whom it is attached. Then they can round you up at their leisure and probably with the school's complicity if they can avoid any issue by doing so.

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Do what you have to do, but I would not advise working for anyone who suggests the business visa route.  If you are working illegally and things go bad with the company, you have no one that you can turn to for help. 

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I'll say, I had to exit China by the end of June because I had loads of problems with my employer and I wasn't too silent!

 

Cops gave me only 15-days Humanitarian visa at Contract's completion, had 2 employers from the same city who (as it looked later) just pretend they want to employ me and then I had to 'exit'.

 

Now, I am tired of EU and have interviews twice weekly with new Schools in China and as it looks no changes. My degrees are without authenticity stamp and Non-crim cert. is from 2013.

 

Mill from Urumqi wants to take me in (apply for new Z) despite no stamp BA, but their Contract is a horror story. 

Today, I am having an interview with Public School in Shandong and I told her yesterday about BA .... she: 'Can we have an interview tomorrow?'.

 

It doesn't look to me anybody (recruiters, employers) cares much about 'no stamp BA' or Non-English-nativity.

 

Lack of FT in China is huge, IMO.

 

Best way to find out if NNES still qualify is to hit 'Jobs' tag and send your CV. You'll see how many replies you'll receive.... and if you won't receive enough replies skip notion 'I am NNES' on your CV. 

 

 

icnif77:

Job advert on Dave's today:

 

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china/index.cgi?read=48171

 

ONLY NATIVE SPEAKERS WITH A NOTARISED DEGREE ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY DUE TO VISA RESTRICTIONS.

PLEASE INCLUDE A RECENT PHOTOGRAPH WITH ALL APPLICATIONS.

 

Few recruiters also told me the same thingy yesterday and it looks these requirements are enforced in China.

 

I wonder for how long they will enforce it considering 300 million students of English language in China.

 

 They can't do it ....  without NNES-ers surprise.

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icnif77, thank you very much for your input on this matter. I agree this it might be the case although enforcing this law may lead to reduced English teaching manpower for sure. 

 

There's a serious contradictions, an the immoral outcome as a result of it. While the best is expected and required, seeking the native teachers instead, by law, the same teachers are not given the same quality of life they ought to get this much that contracts are so easily twisted and the conditions on which native teachers are made to sign for, end being pushed against the wall, used and abused at will by the employers. 

 

Pretending to get the best ought to be equally corresponded and not dispose of any of them in the so many disrespectful and abusive ways of the terms on which a native teacher, as well non native ones are made to sign the contract. 

 

Someone said in his answer to my inquiry, reminding me about something I sometimes tend to avoid: "This is China!". This is where people are pushed to acknowledge, making the contract they signed to be the source of insecurity for the employee. You can testify on that matter quite a lot. 

 

Nevertheless, there are great people, gret employers with the right mind and character to understand and even blame the mentality of "this is China", making life of the employee a reason of security and joy to do its job. 

 

I will keep seeking. Something good must come in the end. 

 

Let us know about your success in the endeavor to secure that job in China.

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icnif77:

Let me know recruiter's contact (through PM) if you'll be successful in securing WP as Non. 

My recruiters are all telling me 'only Native with authorized degree & Non-crim. cert. qualify for Z in China'. That is apparently the latest requirement of SAFEA.

I try to get new position in China (with Z) just because I would like to have prepaid dental work finished. That is the only reason I am still interested to get new 1-year Contract in China.

 

I am looking at Russia at the moment. There everything works with Business visa, but pay is some 40% lower than in China.

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Is it that bad that you eventually need to look elsewhere? As I read your comments and knowing the long experience as a FT in China, I wonder how hopes would meet me any better than you? I assume you must be tired of China very much indeed. I assume you feel used and abused by the Chinese mentality.

 

I personally experienced what  "This is China.." means and I now how being burnt feels like. With a considerable time out of China, now, I guess I am naively optimistic again. It seems so, although I am not. I am quite realistic about what's to be expected, proof of it is when I read about your experience and many more on this forum. 

 

Russia doesn't smile at me at all. I really don't consider it for a future  either. After the time you've spent in China, I hope you will not waste your life starting over. That will hurt very much indeed. I will let you know about the success of my endeavor very soon and will pm you as well. 

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icnif77:

That (almost) forced exit in June was really bad. I had several Schools willing to employ me (few in the same city), but everything turns out to be just 'pretending to employ me' and working in the way for my 'RP extension exit delay' what would put bad record on my future employment in China.

In real, I am fed up with fighting for my Contract rights especially late payments (bonus). I was looking at Russia and elsewhere during my last Contract. But, it isn't easy to secure employment as Non anywhere, so I'll most likely walk-into Ruski and look for job from the street.

Still looking at job's adverts in China, but I spoke to dentist last week about 'transferring necessary work' to EU dentist and prepayment refund. In other words, I kind of gave-up on new gig in China.

Chinese placement agents are telling me Gov. requires Native English teachers for work at Public Schools and Training mill from Urumqi sent lousy Contract and after my 'edit' their reply was 'we'll contact you'. Agent who connected me with them is no-show on Skype.

If China became same as Japan, Taiwan and others at employment of Non-s, you got to look elsewhere.

I consider only Z as possible employment in China, because employers were dirtbags even when I had Gov. support working with Z. You must think how it would be if I would work in China with F ....!

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I also see quit a few of these ads on Dave's:

 

"English teachers wanted(NO EXPERIENCE AND DEGREE REQUIREMENT)-10000-15000RMB monthly, Working Visa ..."

PulSartre:

Donnie, when you see this job offer ad, you may be sure that is offered to native English people, no matter what. To this length it goes that experience, cultural awareness, cross cultural teaching experience  - you name it- become obsolete at the sight of the native English money making machine. It is an offense to both native and non-native teachers of English who paid for their experience with their own life time and often on their own money.

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Those ads are traps. Not real jobs.

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Interesting thread.

 

Reminds me of a poster on GZ stuff.

 

Now, me being a Scotsman, my English is pretty crap, so my wife wants to send our kid  to English class.

 

RobRocks, Icniff, and NZ teach would be my first choices. All on equal footing.

 

But would I pay money to a mill to have an M visa teacher teach her?

 

That's difficult.

 

Teaching ability seems to have little correlation to the work permit system..

 

Difficult question to answer.

PulSartre:

Hahahahaha, ScotsAlan, really, do you have to send your daughter to English classes. You as a Scottish one, you should be enough, seriously. You are right about skills and work permit. Today it is a very fact that it "ain't matter nor more" the skills as long as you're native. Sniff, sniff. 

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dom87:

a working system should rule out those who are not qualified to teach your kid...

 

unfortunately china gets it totally wrong and set completely wrong requirements

so the system is busted

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icnif77:

I'd say mainland is copying ... (Taiwan -- unification in near future .., Japs and others), but 300 M Chinese students of English language can't afford 'only Native English teacher for legal employment in China', so I am thinking they'll might loosen that new rule for Z .... 

Authentication of everything-supporting docs is also senseless, because it would cost roughly 1/2 of yearly wage in China to obtain stamp on degree from Fla. Non-crim cert. is issued by cops anyway, so who should authenticated? Pope in Rome?

 

Thanks for part-time gig offer, Scotts. You know my English draft is clear ... I got that high mark from my Glasgow's and Cork's buddies in Fla years ago ..

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icnif77:

I never got an i-Phone, I promise! I still carry 150 RMB Nokia, but from EU we double post for some reason. No extra pints, thou!

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