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Q: RMB 7000 monthly wage, is it enough for a living in Changchun, Jilin?

I've jot got the contract form a prospective recruiter and there are several terms I would like to ask about. 

 

Salary is RMB 7000 per month. Given the housing deposit of RMB 2000, first two months will suffer a RMB1000 deduction each. 

Besides, first week of actual  work is on a probation basis.  Total hours to work are 22/week. Given the probation aspect of it, the first 18 hours will not be paid.  The hourly rate is RMB80. That makes a total of  RMB1440  that will not be paid first month first of actual work. With all the above in mind, the total amount left on the first month is RMB 4560, should there be no holidays at all. Contracter will pay per hour and the employee is to ensure a total of 88 hours per month in roder for the RMB7000 to be paid as signed.  

 

Here is the official side as written in the contract: 

 

". Party A will pay Party B RMB 7000 Yuan per month for 22 teaching hours per week, 88 teaching hours monthly. Office hours should be in compliance with the school teacher’s routine. (hourly rates = contract salary / 88 hours). "

 

 

There is something else that caught my attention when the "the party B", the employee is to leave the job on an agreed reasonable need. Party B is to inform the party A of that need three months in advance. 

Should the request be reasonable, party B is to pay $1000 (USD indeed). Should the request be unreasonable, party B is to bay party A $3000 fine. 

 

Here is the official recite: 

 

"Party B need to inform party A in writing three months in advance if Party B cannot continue their work due to personal reasons or personal wishes. Under unforeseeable circumstances or due to sudden event, both parties should resolve the issue through dialogues.

 Party B’s request will become effective and legal with the letter of permission from Party A. Party B will pay the expenses for the return journey and the penalty of one thousand US dollars for justifiable reasons or three thousand US dollars for unjustifiable reasons. Party B must continue to work as normal before the request is granted and official permission is issued"

 

As of sick days off and in case of accidents, party B is to inform within 24 hours party A of accident or sick days. Should the party fail to inform it within this frame of time, party B will have to support any costs including a fine of RMB 300 fine per day of leave of absence. 

 

The two things party B is entitled to areas follow: 

"-Party B is entitled to terminate the contract if Party A fails to pay Party B timely without any reasonable  

   grounds.

-Party B is entitled to terminate the contract If Party A fails to provide accommodation.

 

Holidays will not be paid.

"If the contract period is for one year, normally Party B should enjoy the school’s winter and summer holidays without pay.

 

How does that sound to you for a contract? Besides, the main question is whether the wage is enough for a place such as Jilin. 

 

I am aware  Jilin is a very cold place on Winter time. Let's say I can bear that and, depending of whom am I surrounded with, I can cope wiith and even enjoy it. From my perspective, nevertheless,  this is a very low salary anywhere in China. Am I wrong?

 

Any thought will be appreciated so I thank you in advance anyway. Additional information I could provide if you need. 

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"Salary is RMB 7000 per month. Given the housing deposit of RMB 2000, first two months will suffer a RMB1000 deduction each. 

 

Rubbish! If employer is providing accommodation they should pay this. 

 

"Besides, first week of actual  work is on a probation basis.  Total hours to work are 22/week. Given the probation aspect of it, the first 18 hours will not be paid"

 

More bollocks! Probation should be paid at same rate as full time employment unless stated. They can't pay you nothing during probation.  

 

 

"Party B is to inform the party A of that need three months in advance. ". This is illegal. Notice period is ONE month. The fine is ILLEGAL

 

Holidays...this is a grey area.  You should request minimum 5 days plus public holidays. If you've worked more than 10 years in your life it's 10 days

 

i understand you're a non-native speaker but this "contract" is taking the piss AND in breach of Chinese employment laws. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PulSartre:

Thank you Hotwater. It hit the fan anyway, so I had to bring it on the forum as I was shocked because it was written with that normality of a contract and it imposes the acceptance whether you like it or not. 

 

Here is what the contract says about the one week probation:

" Party B’s first week work will be regarded as probation period, therefore, the first 18 hours work will not be counted in the salary.

  -Party B should allow people to observe the class.

  - Without Party A’s written permission, Party B is not allowed to willfully shuffle the class schedule. "

 

As to the deposit part: 

 

"Housing

 

- Party A will provide Party B with free accommodation fully furnished with cooker, washing machine, heated shower, bed and wardrobe. Party B will be responsible for the cost of any damaged to the property.

 -Party B is required to pay Housing Deposit of RMB 2,000 Yuan which will be deducted RMB 1,000 Yuan from the first and second time salary respectively. The Housing Deposit will be refunded after Party B finishes the contract and moves out without leaving an unsatisfied condition behind in the accommodation and unpaid bills. Definition of satisfaction may be decided by the owner of the apartment."

 

 

As to Holidays, it struck me the fact that it doesn't say anything of whether it is a school or kindergarten where I should go to work. Depending on which place you may hope for a payment on Holidays or not. If you work in a kindergarten, you may have no Holidays but on Springtime and some Winter and China official Holidays. Then you get paid, because you work. Furthermore, in a school you get the Holidays, Springtime, Winter, Summer and be paid half of the usual amount, if I am not wrong. 

 

Anyway, to that it comes this additional part of the contract that rings the bell: 

 

".Due to school holidays, activities or contract start, expiry and other unforeseeable reasons that may result in Party B’s teaching hours fall short of 88 hours in the month, the salary will be calculated by actual hours taught"

 

and: 

 

"Party B should make efforts in order to complete 88 teaching hours monthly if there is a short of hours due to Party B’s absence from the class.

   4.1.5. In the event of unforeseeable circumstances, e.g. war, outbreak of disease, natural disasters, physical injury that affects normal teaching, Party B’s salary will be calculated by actually hours taught."

 

I had no idea it is illegal, but it struck me too the request to inform three months in advance in case of need to leave the job. 

 

Thank you Hotwater for the input. It makes me not accept it, although I should keep hunting for that recruiter again. I almost thought I found it. Anyway, as I said, I was quite angry yesterday when I read it. 

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If your apartment is provided 7000 will be enough, unless you have an expensive lifestyle.

PulSartre:

ON the contrary, I have a very modest way of living and am used to living on little when needed. Actually I do not spend money on expensive things at all. I rather give to poor or help others. 

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BTW. The apartment is provided as well. Thank you for your thought, Stiggs. 

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wow dude, they r sure some cheapos,,  not worst contract in china,, but knocking on the door!

I like the part about hitting u up for 300¥ if you call a sick-day,,, haha,, and that part about u should 'normally enjoy holidays w/out pay'..  lol,,, something about that wording cracks me up ~

haha,, and wanna hit u up for 3000 usd ?  lol,,, ask them why RMB isn't good enough for them?   This looks like a contract somewhere in between the offer to chinese slave (most chinese) and Non-Native speaker.

PulSartre:

All that seemed to me odd enough to get the courage and ask about it. There are many grammar mistakes in the contract. It seems written in a rush, with misspellings and grammar mistakes. 

 

There is the Chinese contract too. I have no idea what it says in the Chinese version and I am pretty much sure it ain't of much help to encourage the employee to accept the offer. 

 

The recruiter I talked with, seemed like a nice person and very much genuine in her hope for me to go to Jilin. Then I read the contract and I mostly was in shock. Of course, no one signs a contract to run away shortly after, unless there is a serious reason to do so. But hey, you still have to pay a lot in USDs because it reasonable to let you go. Worst is when it's not. How I see it is that the Company experiences a lot of "run away" of its employee and tries to discourage anything weather on a good basis or unreasonable one to leave the job. That would explain it why.  Still, how on earth would you expect to ask for this much when you pay anyway this little on a regular basis, anyway? Etc., etc, etc. 

 

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Why would you consider a job of 7000 that has deductions and no holiday pay when there are plenty of offers with higher pay and include holiday pay out there crying

PulSartre:

Hey DirkBourne, this the non-native issue that compels me to say, at least someone is offering me the Working Visa and is looking at me. Because I am not a native English. I see what you're meaning but we might come down to this and say at least we have someone looking at and feed us on "crumbles". I do wait for other offers, although there are so a few lately, for the non-native teachers of English. 

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well accept it

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That's a terrible offer if you are a native speaker..Not sure what non-native speakers contracts are like.

PulSartre:

I am a non-native teacher of English. That explains why the contract it's been tailored this way. The moment I read it I was ANGRY. I could not believe it. But then, I looked to this very fact which reminds of someone who would say: "It stinks to be ...non-native!"

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what's your non native country, some schools in shandong still have teachers from cameroon, we have 2 working with us.

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Hey ambivalentmace, I'm from East-Europe and worked cross Europe and Asia for years in this teaching field as well as advertising and multiple languages based jobs, including translation, interpretation, video translation and editing, etc. .

 

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i know a teacher from Hungary that has a visa to teach in Zibo, Shandong but she has a degree from Berkeley in California.

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the clause of usd3000 penalty seems grossly unfair. n they decide the reason is justifiable or unjustifiable ? somethin' imp. fr u might not be same for them.

PulSartre:

Curiousdude, I thought I have answered as a comment and I hit it as an answer instead. The one bellow is the comment to your answer, actually. Thank you. 

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Curiousdude, you are absolutely right. Define "reasonable" and it will come down to what you said. So, they will make it this way that assuming someone dies in your family, not that I wish such thing, but it is reasonable even to unreasonable people, yet they might suspect you lie about it. As I said to Diverdude - oops, so closed the Avatar names, btw, hahahahah- why would anyone run away after signing a contract? You need to work and that is why you sign it, to stay and hoping to renew the contract if you survive the experience and find it good afterall, right? 

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imo, u cud discuss to simplify n remove this reasonable/unreasonable thing n keep just one figure tht u feel comfortable with.

 

imp is it shd be 'n vice versa'.. ie, if terminatd for any reasons (no salary, no accomodatn or any breach) frm their end they shd pay the same compnsatn to u besides the arrears.

 

gud luck dude.

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The "viceversa " approach is an outstanding idea. It gives the balance to the contract at least and secure the same chances for Part B as well. Thank you dude. 

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have you clarified in the contract who pays for utilities?

in a province that experiences cold winters, heating should be included (at the very least) as part of the contract.

 

it sucks as a non-native to be exploited with such a low salary, especially if you have some years of experience teaching in China.

 

a 'nice' chinese person should be taken with a pinch of salt, especially if they are recruiters.

 

good luck with your decision

PulSartre:

You are right on that matter, Blondie. Utilities are mentioned as follow: 

 

"Party B will be responsible for paying water, gas, electricity, and refuse charge (garbage removing) if applicable. There are may be no utility bills if Party B lives on school campus (but Party B has to follow school campus regulations).

-Party B is responsible for the cost of the Internet and home phone if installed.

    - By Chinese law and regulation relating to the residence of foreign employees, only Party B should live in the accommodation provided by Party A. Party B is responsible for all consequences due to failure to comply.

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So party B - c'est moi!- pays for the utilities. I didn't see that part of cold whether and its costs. So, yeah, that it not good either.  Costs on Winter must be high, indeed. 

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@PulSarte

if the accommodation is poorly insulated (and most of them are in my experience) a fair chunk of your monthly salary could go on heating, no matter how much you economise.

and you won't find this out until you are there.

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Are you living on campus? They imply they will take care of utility costs if you live on campus though the words "may be" in that clause make the costs there even a possible liability. Look for a better deal.

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Thank you seansarto for your message. I certainly was applying to other NNT positions throughout China. I feel sorry for how bluntly the contract it proves a scam on many avenues. The moment I read it I was angry, because I eventually thought to have found the destination to hit for my next teaching experience in China. Well, not with this recruiter. Everything in this contract- i only posted excerpts from it- are a mined field. The fact of dealing with the recruiter it's already a delusional endeavor. I shall run away without a second thought. It is pity indeed if I think og the person I was in touch for this teaching offer. She seemed genuine to me, she actually is genuine and has no idea that she is doing the work on behalf of a thief. Pity, indeed!

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Blondie_ I assume cold must have taught people in this province to insulate as best as possible the houses. You never know how actually these houses are insulated nor the real state of unless you can check it on site. It is a risk one has to take. But I won't, because I will not sign the contract. 

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"Salary is RMB 7000 per month. Given the housing deposit of RMB 2000, first two months will suffer a RMB1000 deduction each. 

 

Rubbish! If employer is providing accommodation they should pay this. 

 

"Besides, first week of actual  work is on a probation basis.  Total hours to work are 22/week. Given the probation aspect of it, the first 18 hours will not be paid"

 

More bollocks! Probation should be paid at same rate as full time employment unless stated. They can't pay you nothing during probation.  

 

 

"Party B is to inform the party A of that need three months in advance. ". This is illegal. Notice period is ONE month. The fine is ILLEGAL

 

Holidays...this is a grey area.  You should request minimum 5 days plus public holidays. If you've worked more than 10 years in your life it's 10 days

 

i understand you're a non-native speaker but this "contract" is taking the piss AND in breach of Chinese employment laws. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PulSartre:

Thank you Hotwater. It hit the fan anyway, so I had to bring it on the forum as I was shocked because it was written with that normality of a contract and it imposes the acceptance whether you like it or not. 

 

Here is what the contract says about the one week probation:

" Party B’s first week work will be regarded as probation period, therefore, the first 18 hours work will not be counted in the salary.

  -Party B should allow people to observe the class.

  - Without Party A’s written permission, Party B is not allowed to willfully shuffle the class schedule. "

 

As to the deposit part: 

 

"Housing

 

- Party A will provide Party B with free accommodation fully furnished with cooker, washing machine, heated shower, bed and wardrobe. Party B will be responsible for the cost of any damaged to the property.

 -Party B is required to pay Housing Deposit of RMB 2,000 Yuan which will be deducted RMB 1,000 Yuan from the first and second time salary respectively. The Housing Deposit will be refunded after Party B finishes the contract and moves out without leaving an unsatisfied condition behind in the accommodation and unpaid bills. Definition of satisfaction may be decided by the owner of the apartment."

 

 

As to Holidays, it struck me the fact that it doesn't say anything of whether it is a school or kindergarten where I should go to work. Depending on which place you may hope for a payment on Holidays or not. If you work in a kindergarten, you may have no Holidays but on Springtime and some Winter and China official Holidays. Then you get paid, because you work. Furthermore, in a school you get the Holidays, Springtime, Winter, Summer and be paid half of the usual amount, if I am not wrong. 

 

Anyway, to that it comes this additional part of the contract that rings the bell: 

 

".Due to school holidays, activities or contract start, expiry and other unforeseeable reasons that may result in Party B’s teaching hours fall short of 88 hours in the month, the salary will be calculated by actual hours taught"

 

and: 

 

"Party B should make efforts in order to complete 88 teaching hours monthly if there is a short of hours due to Party B’s absence from the class.

   4.1.5. In the event of unforeseeable circumstances, e.g. war, outbreak of disease, natural disasters, physical injury that affects normal teaching, Party B’s salary will be calculated by actually hours taught."

 

I had no idea it is illegal, but it struck me too the request to inform three months in advance in case of need to leave the job. 

 

Thank you Hotwater for the input. It makes me not accept it, although I should keep hunting for that recruiter again. I almost thought I found it. Anyway, as I said, I was quite angry yesterday when I read it. 

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Go look for another school. They want you to work for free for a little while: so they say.

And just what is the school's "routine"?
7,000 with all housing expenses is ok in Jilin if you are teaching 20 hours per week with no office hours. Probation period; yeah right! This is a one way street in China. The office hours must be spelled out. You are taking a big risk by signing onto this contract.

PulSartre:

Totally agreed. I didn't contemplate many aspects of the contract at reading of it. While reading it, nevertheless, I felt my blood boiling with anger. All alarms went on and felt like being invited to be scammed, yet see it as favor and probably would even thank on the long run. Sure, I wouldn't have signed it. I though necessary to post it to publicly make the case of how far it goes and how it looks like a scam contract today. Certainly there were others scammed as well. Far worst I am sure. I will not let that happen to me. That is why I thought to bring about it on this forum. Thank you for the ideas you gave me. I certainly will look carefully on the next contract.  

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There's a really shady recruiter I've heard about in Changchun who finds teachers to send to schools and kindergartens, a friend of a friend had a really bad experience working through her and was looking for help and advice a while ago. It turns out she has a long history of f**king people over and is well known on ESL forums.

 

Her name didn't happen to be Maggie (something) did it? If it is I'd say have nothing to do with her now or in the future.

 

 

 

 

PulSartre:

Hi Stiggs. This is not Maggy with whom I had the experience thus far shared on this forum. The lady I talked with on skype is a young one, quite genuine in my apprehension and so an honest one. I believe she does the job not being aware of how things actually go on. I won't mention that the company recruiting is "younova" either. I don't want to directly finger point that recruiter, if you know what I mean.It's of a bad education to behave as such. smiley

The lady I talked to, I can say about her, she is doing the job without having the  understanding of the extent of the scam. 

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most of the things they write are illegal by chinese labor law...

especially giving you no pay for the probation? (wtf!!!!)

 

the contract looks completely stupid and you will most likly have to deal with this behavior all the time after you sign it. Be aware that you will be there complete ass monkey.

 

I would suggest not to sign it if you have ANY other possibility to find another job

 

Furthermore please watch out for another 3 things:

1. Teaching hours: it should be defined exactly how long a "teaching hour" is. they can fuck you over with your salary if they say you only worked 22*45min instead of 22*1h

2. Office hours: it should be written clearly if has or has not any office hours

3. if they do not give you 22 classes a week, will they still pay you for 22 classes or deduct the rest?

 

PulSartre:

dom87, indeed, I should deal with this company for the rest for the contract period if I signed it. Someone able to scam you will keep scamming you and make you walk on slippery slopes all this time. By the end of the contract one risks to end up in the streets, nakedly naked, if I may put it this way.

 

There are few, very few other options. That one is excluded, whether I will make it to China or not. It will not be that way at all. 

 

To your questions here is what the contract states: 

 

Furthermore please watch out for another 3 things:

1. Teaching hours: it should be defined exactly how long a "teaching hour" is. they can fuck you over with your salary if they say you only worked 22*45min instead of 22*1h

 

No hour is defined at all. 

 

2. Office hours: it should be written clearly if has or has not any office hours

"Party A will pay Party B RMB 7000 Yuan per month for 22 teaching hours per week, 88 teaching hours monthly. Office hours should be in compliance with the school teacher’s routine. (hourly rates = contract salary / 88 hours). During school term, to ensure teaching quality, Party B should prepare lesson plan before classes commence while submit it to the office by email to [mail] one week in advance."

 

"Sick Days, Late For Work and Leave of Absence

4.6.1 Party B should ask for leave (including sick leave) in writing one day in advance to get Party A’s permission during the office hours (8:30-17:00 Monday to Saturday). Party A will not pay for unpermitted leave regardless while two extra days’ work pay may be deducted from the salary as penalty. Party A reserves the right to penalize Party B for RMB 300 Yuan for each time of unpermitted leave, which will be deducted from the flight subsidy depending on the impact or lost this may cause.Sick Days, Late For Work and Leave of Absence

Party B should ask for leave (including sick leave) in writing one day in advance to get Party A’s permission during the office hours (8:30-17:00 Monday to Saturday). Party A will not pay for unpermitted leave regardless while two extra days’ work pay may be deducted from the salary as penalty. Party A reserves the right to penalize Party B for RMB 300 Yuan for each time of unpermitted leave, which will be deducted from the flight subsidy depending on the impact or lost this may cause."

3. if they do not give you 22 classes a week, will they still pay you for 22 classes or deduct the rest?

 

They will pay for the amount of hours actually worked.

Here is what the contract states:

 

"Due to school holidays, activities or contract start, expiry and other unforeseeable reasons that may result in Party B’s teaching hours fall short of 88 hours in the month, the salary will be calculated by actual hours taught." 

 

Party B will submit the monthly record of completed class hours taught to Party A in-person or by email to  [mail] before 2nd of every month in order to calculate Party B’s salary.

 

'Party B should make efforts in order to complete 88 teaching hours monthly if there is a short of hours due to Party B’s absence from the class."

 

That being said, I am to be paid on a an hourly rate basis. 

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that also means, if they don't have enough students (happens all the time!) you will end up with no salary.

They offer you literally part time work.

they are very happy with this because they can advertise a foreign teacher who actually don't get any pay

win win for them

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What they all said!

 

It's a crap contract... for all the reasons listed above.

 

I don't even see anything about overtime (which should be calculated weekly, and not monthly, as is often the case here.... ie, making up hours from short weeks).

 

It's all BS - and illegal.

 

Don't bother touching it.

 

Why do they put all that crap in there? Obviously, because they've tried it with other teachers, and they've all left... so now, they're trying again and hoping your gullible, naive ... or as the case hopefully isn't - desperate enough!

PulSartre:

Shining-brow, thank you for the message. I am disappointed myself in the way things went on. I almost believed I have eventually found the place. The lady on skype I talked to was a nice person and made me feel encouraged to wait for the contract quite impatiently. Then going though I realized how deceiving was all the endeavor. I am persuaded that the lady on skype recruiting on behalf of the company. She doesn't seem to be aware of what's at stake and that her honesty is prejudiced working for this company. 

 

This is the excerpt from the contract about he "overwork" time: 

 

"Overtime

 - Party B will get RMB 80 Yuan per hour if there are any over-time teaching."

That's pretty much it.

 

Why do they do it? Exactly. It worked and certainly it scammed many. I will not sign the contract at all. I just got it a few days ago and though to talk through with you all on this forum. Thanks again. 

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ot by labor law is btw 150%

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Maybe 7000 is enough but the contract seems not to be fair, make necessary amendments to the contract, see if they agree, you can also let a lawyer help you. i also suggest if you can look for another opportunities with better pay and facilities, after all you have experience. take care of yourself till you find a suitable job. all the best.

PulSartre:

Thank you very much for the encouragement sunilunido! I will look for another opportunity, although I am sorry for the way to proved to actually be, that is a blunt scam. I almost fell for the offer because the lady I talked to seemed and I am persuaded that she is a genuine person working on behalf of the company.

 

I thought about a lawyer, but I am out of China and cannot deal with such support yet. So I will not sign the contract and look elsewhere.

 

All the best to you too.   

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Remember, by Chinese Law, only the Chinese version of the contract is valid. Your amendments and agreements in English are worthless even if Sealed. Have someone  competent and trustworthy translate the Chinese Version of the Contract before you sign it. It also needs the appropriate Seal to be valid.

PulSartre:

Hi Aikidan, I was thinking to post the Chinese version as well. It is by far shorter, a single Word document page. Maybe it will help with better understanding what the employer wants actually. Thank you very much. 

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You're getting cheated mate. 7k is what local Chinese uni teachers make in smaller cities and they never teach 22 classes, more like 12-15. Also they get tons of other benefits like interest-free loans from the government to buy a flat below market rate and they basically can't ever get fired (iron rice bowl) and they give mandatory extra tuitions to make 2 or 3 times their salary under the table.

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RandomGuy, thank for this infomration. Now, that's something to think about!. I had no idea that this much benefit gets someone teaching at the Uni, even if it's under the table. 

I still haven't been on a chat again with the recruiter. I am supposed to be today, tomorrow. Definitely I will not sign the contract. I only need to talk with the recruiter and ask about the terms of the contract, anyway. With all the information gathered that far, it is clear that the contract is a scam. 

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Hmm. If accommodation, flights, insurance, visa etc. are covered then 7000 is ok, not great. You'll be able to save a bit while having a relatively comfortable lifestyle. You can get better and if one of the above costs are not being covered then no way should you accept.

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22 hours a week? nope

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RandallFlagg, thank you for your message. Of course, afterall being told thus far on this matter, I will not sign the contract at all. There several issues at stake that cannot be ignored above those you mentioned. The employer still expects for em to give my answer. Today, I guess, I will. I didn't do it because I feel ashamed of them and their scamming endeavor. 

 

 

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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/chinas-army-looks-getting-ready-175936611.html

 

A little word of advise, a storm is coming in that area, nationalism will run high, emotions will run high, stay indoors, avoid the public till the storm blows over. Emotion has an expiration date in violent conflicts, unfortunately, if it's your business like myself.

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ambi, two thumbs down, I guess they don't realize how many Koreans actually live in Chang Chun and have passports for both countries, and your second wife was from that city, I remember, this would be a bad spot to be working until all this blows over.

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ambivalentamace, is it that bad?

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ambivalentmace:

Trump will not leave North Korea as a problem for the next president.

 

Chang Chun has a big Korean population that are Chinese citizens. They make money traveling and working between China and North and South Korea all the time. Some have loyalty to the North, some to the South, most are not really loyal to China.

 

Just avoid drinking bars if a military strike happens, because everyone will have opposing views in Chang Chun. The Chinese military has a big presence there as well.

If refugees are turned back at the border, some of there relatives are in that city and want be very happy about it. Since the province is in the far North, relationships and money are the rule more than the law.

 

I wish you good luck there, the Mayflower Hotel is a good place to stay when you need some western comfort. The city is actually very cheap compared to most large cities. I hope they fixed the water problem, the last time I stayed there during farming season, the water was only on for the morning commute and dinner time so you had store water in buckets for other times of use, the shower houses were pretty cheap though, i found one for 20 rmb.

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My old employer tried to claim all hours in the contract were teaching sessions of 2x 45 minutes each. Problem was, there weren't enough actual working hours to fit his "teaching hours" schedule. Unless it meant I had minus-eight office hours per week.
When they try to scam you, you'll often find inconsistencies on the tweaked contract, because they snuck in extra stuff tuat isn't in line with the rest of the contract

PulSartre:

Thank you coineineagh! How would you do to prevent it? 

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