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Q: Rule of law... just a western dream !

It has been said, by many a leader that Rule of Law is but an illusion. However. Hong Kong is ranking very high on a list composed by

 

http://data.worldjusticeproject.org/

 

Hong Kong is 16th...

 

Do you think the Chinese (the comon folk)  would want China to be more like Hong Kong

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Well, a small of group guys (New Citizen Movement, headed by Xu Zhi Yong) asked for it, but now they are thinking about it in jail : they were "disturbing order in public space".

The common folk... Does (s)he understands the concept of rule of law ? Understanding that it is possible to have laws followed by a large majority ? Understanding that a law is not some obstacle to avoid ? The concept of common good ? I know some people here can not even *imagine* there are place where laws are followed. I'm not even sure they know there are basic things like right side driving or not smocking when there's a "no smocking" sign. Nobody never told them, never had to face consequences. So they don't know.

Some people like my wife, her dad, some colleagues, they understand all those things clearly. But those same people feels completely helpless about how to reach this. When I mention protesting, make your voice heard, and not being shy of telling someone that (s)he is misbehaving, I meet heavy resistance. No waves, harmony, it's more important than working toward rule of the law. Even if harmony through rule of the law tends to be more stable. Courage, confidence is what China need desperately yet have in so short supply. Xu Zhi Yong and the people who were with him had this courage, they had been punished for it.

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Well mates, I found the below at another expat forum so you might be bloody careful what you wish for!

 

"Some of my friends tell me that they wish China had a justice system like America. I say, I hope one day China will have a better justice system than America after I read sooooooooooo many story like these...

 

1. A homeless man in America turns himself into police for stealing $100 from a bank and judges locks him up for 15 years!

 

http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/28/homeless-man-steals-a-100-bill-from-bank-turns-himself-in-the-next-day-and-apologizes-and-is-given-15-years-by-louisiana-judge/

 

2. A drunk with terminal cancer is put into solitary confinment for 2 years without ever seeing a judge and without being booked

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2289416/Stephen-Slevin-solitary-TWO-YEARS-trial-DUI-arrest-awarded-15m-prison-appealed.html

 

3. Bradley Manning gets sent to prison for 35 years for reporting murder of 10 unarmed civilian news reporters while the Americans who did the shooting do not even get arrested.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/judge-to-sentence-bradley-manning-today/2013/08/20/85bee184-09d0-11e3-b87c-476db8ac34cd_story.html

 

Sorry but American justice only serves the wealthy politicians and their cronies. China justice sucks as well but America is in no position to be pointing fingers at China. This article spells it out pretty well I think.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-11-28/americans-have-less-access-justice-botswanans-%E2%80%A6-and-are-more-abused-police-ka "

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You want me to guess what the Chinese people want? Objection, hearsay.

 

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The fact that Chinese people are swarming to Hong Kong (and any other places that aren't mainland China) would suggest they "want China to be more like Hong Kong".

 

Whether Chinese people can lucidly identify what has made Hong Kong better than China is another matter entirely. I would guess they can't, though. Chinese people just see the better standard of living, and rush there to despoil it with their huge numbers, filthy behaviour and lack of human decency.

 

I doubt many Chinese people have considered why other societies are better. That would require honest self-criticism.

 

Chinese people can simultaneously "know" they are the best people and inherently right about everything, while living in the most wretched society.

 

They can move from their own squalid environment to a vastly superior one (created by switched-on people) without even the slightest glimmer of self-awareness.

 

Regarding Rule of Law

 

It's way too abstract for Chinese people to comprehend. My Chinese friends occasionally lament the legal inequality of people from rich families, but that's as far as it goes.

 

In that most Chinese people think giving presents in exchange for special favours is the normal way to achieve things, how they could possibly have a working concept of Rule of Law is is beyond me.

 

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