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Q: Student visa cancellation

my friend has a student visa but she doesn't want to attend classes. does the school have the right to cancel her visa?V

9 years 9 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - Hangzhou

 
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Imagine that - someone gets approval to come to China on a student visa but doesn't want to go to classes.

Should the powers that be have a right to kick her out for coming here under false pretenses? Hmmmm

 

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What kind of program is your "friend" in?  a language program or a degree program? Language programs may not care much at all but degree programs could be different.

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Imagine that - someone gets approval to come to China on a student visa but doesn't want to go to classes.

Should the powers that be have a right to kick her out for coming here under false pretenses? Hmmmm

 

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I thought one of the requirements now, especially in universities, was that your attendance had to be over a certain amount or you were kicked off the course & your visa cancelled. 

 

I'd also read on Gokunming of students having visa problems with taking long weekends for traveling & not getting them authorized 

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Yes, it's as easy as walking in the local PSB, and no, they don't need your friend's passport in hands. It used to be different but China is cracking down on illegal foreign workers and that includes a good number of foreign students who teach ESL while they are supposed to be the students and not the teachers.

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Of course the school has the right to cancel your friend's visa. After all, the school is the sponsor of her visa and only the sponsor or the government can legally cancel a visa. Now, would the school do it? It depends. If it's for a language program, the school likely couldn't care less if your friend attends. I actually did a semester in a language program on a student visa and the school only cared whether the degree program students attended. In that program, language program students were mixed with degree program students who needed to learn Chinese before beginning their degree studies. The language students were basically there so the school could make some money on their tuition. But your friend should find out what the policy is to avoid any unpleasant surprises.

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If you are studing a language program, the school will not cancel your visa. The school  will threaten you and force you to study but will not cancel your visa unless you don't pay the school fees. This is the way of behaving chinese, don't worry you need to attend the classes if you don't want

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Why not attend classes when you came here for study? Are you getting info for a friend or yourself? 

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sorry I dont know it is illegal for foreigners doing part-time job in China

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Foreigners tend to know the law over employment and immigration better the Chinese do. We have to because we are foreigners.

 

I have known a lot of Chinese who think that any foreigner can go anywhere he/she wants and do whatever they want to do.

 

But in actual fact, China has some of the most severe immigration policies on the planet.  Yeah, it's easy for us to come here, but it's fecking hard for us to stay.

 

Really really really fecking hard.

 

Chinese nationals can emigrate from China to other nations, become citizens and work freely .

 

We can't do that.

 

Chinese citizens living in foreign countries illegally can apply to the courts for permission to stay under international human rights laws.

 

Foreigners in China can't do that.

 

And foreigners can't work part time. The RP is tied to the job.  It's actually not too far from being indentured slavery.  Loose your job, you loose your RP and potentially your family.  No right of legal redress. Simple, some dude stamps "canceled" on your passport and escorts you to the border.

 

I am not even going to mention the requirements to get a Z visa.  A non teaching Z visa that is. Or even a long term Z visa for teachers. They don't exist. I have a 3 year Z.... hen's teeth.

 

The system needs to change. That is for sure. My Chinese daughter deserves a right to her daddy being part of her life. My wife should be allowed the comfort of her husband being allowed to live and work freely in her home country.

 

Foreigners live in China on a knife edge.

 

That could be why you got a few negative answers aircome.

 

We want to contribute to China, pay our tax and be proud of where we are raising our families. But the Government says no.

 

Government needs to change it's policy.

 

You can help. go talk to your local lawmaker. Ask him or her to change the law so you can employ foreigners.

Hotwater:

Spot on mate!

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sorrel:

While I agree that ignorance of the law regarding the hiring of foreigners exists, I can not help but be a bit suspicious some of the time regarding online soliciting for any approval of illegal work.

we all know that online baiting is a quick way to track down foreigners willing to break the law.

it is not rocket science for legitimate employers to go online and find out the legal requirements, so I suspect there is an element of laziness to the original poster thinking that his/her work can be done without posting a proper job offer in a classified section of a forum.

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ScotsAlan:

There is also the issue, sorrel, of Chinese citizens disregarding Chinese laws anyway.  They disregard the law in so many ways, but they don't understand the repurcusions for them being caught compared to us being caught are very different.

 

I have been asked to work illegally in China designing machines.  I explained the law to the potential employers and they just suggested we ignore it.  This was from a guy with a very impressive business card and undoubted massive guanxi.

 

But I was daft, I turned him down because I want to obey the law

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aircome:

thx man

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ScotsAlan:

You are welcome aircome wink.

 

Of course, in the past you could just have Googled your question.  But alas, that is no longer an option

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100% agreed.

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