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Q: Thailand in 2015 to require a teaching licence. China's next?

Yeah, my friends are already getting ready to leave Thailand and make plans to move to Taiwan, Korea, Japan or China. Yes it is very true, Thailand will have a new law requiring all teachers to have a teaching license in 2015.

 

Now, I have no idea who would go to Thailand with a teaching license and accept a salary that really sucks.. I don't see this working long term.

 

So can we say the same for China? I don't see it happening.. They're too many positions to fill these days and we're still not getting enough BA/BS degree, /TESOL/TEFL/CELTA holding teachers as it is. Thailand is just going to doom its own teaching market..

 

What is your backup plan?

 

The code of the Japanese says: Always have faith that there'll be a positive future in your life, but be prepared for the worst..

10 years 2 days ago in  Teaching & Learning - China

 
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I think that it's a great idea. After all, no one but the extremely adventurous or totally burned out would choose to come to a third world country to "teach."

I think it's more of a way to get rid of a surplus of foreigners that South-East Asia neither wants nor needs.

English is not the big kick it was 10 years ago - as we all know, the world and its future belongs to the rich and elite in Asia. They know how to do everything! Hell, every country is beating down the doors for their innovation, technology and civil savvy.

 

Who needs a backup plan if you can sit back and laugh at the "comedy of errors" playing out. We can all go home and become McDonald's managers...at least we'll be ahead of the former elite when the crash comes.

ironman510:

haha, I love your last bit... true man.. it'll be interesting when the crash comes..

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If crash will happened in China, rest of the World will suffer too! If no major war or deadly disease China will go on, me thinks!

'Teaching licenses' on this FT demand? No way! 300 M students of English language in China by 2015.

'I never walk with (open) umbrella on the sunny day!', so no back up plan for now!

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The third paragraph seems off the mark (though I detect sarcasm). China's elite have wanted their youth to have quality international education for at least the past 100 years (before the Nipponese invasion these schools were often run by missionaries)...and as you hint, Asia does not have the innovation/foresight/imagination/language necessary to truly lead us into the 21st century In other words, ironman and sinobear I do not understand why you are convinced FTs time here is coming to a close.

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The conditions for FTs has remained constant over the past 4 years I have been teaching. In some places they have actually deteriorated. FTs are now paid what middle income earners in China are making. I think China will be next, but I also think China may make English an elective. If they do demand teaching licenses then I will find a school that has connections. This will probably continue in China. This site has pointed out there are many FTs without degrees as is the law in China. So all the FTs should be able to get this teaching license too.

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Two guys I know bought their teaching license and went to Taiwan..  I read an article that Kindergarten teachers will be the survivors of the crash. Chinese parents always prefer FT's then Chinese teachers. They said: FTs are the mother and fathers of the busy parents who have no time with their own children because they're too rich to spend time with them.

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Implementing laws requiring teaching licenses will create a black market almost instantaneously or we'll see a flourishing market for online teaching licenses. This is already happening with online TEFL and some other English teaching courses. In China, people will see this as an opportunity rather than a threat. So who says they have no entrepreneurial skills? Thailand, well, it will happen as well. If they can produce fake passports, ID cards, etc, why can't they produce fake teaching licenses? And who's going to call the school to check? They aren't checking degrees and other qualifications as it is.

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Thailand and China are in different boats. Thailand can afford to be selective, Thailand is a fun place and we still have freedoms there. China is not as fun and is very restrictive. 

 

That being said China is looking to get rid of legal FTs so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened here within the next 2 years. 

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who will go to thailand with a teaching certificate, that depends, is there some state in america were you are certified before you actually teach for a year or two,

the states with the bankrupt generous pension schemes will go bankrupt and lay off some teachers,they may go but the social welfare system would pay them more to stay at home and be a freeloader than actually work and sadly most of them would be free loaders,  the older teachers with no retirement will elect to work longer, but eventually the baby boomers born of wwii will start retiring and create a demand, but not in the short term.

right now getting a teaching position in the states is tough unless your in a specialty like special ed or math.

better to move to canada but you have to go back and get a canadian history class with your education credentials, they have to make sure you have been propagandized in the virtue of multiculturalism and some french lingo. its like listening to fingernails on a chalk board but bearable.
for the lymies and aussies how is teaching as a profession, do tell, dish the dirt

 

ironman510:

My mom said the worst is yet to come with welfare and retirement benefits, she thinks it'll all go bankrupt before I can get any retirement benefits, Im 33 now, so maybe it'll be long gone by then

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I got the extra into: you neex to pass 9 exams to get a teaching license in Thailand next year, which includes a Thai cultural test, altogether costing each per person over 50k baht.

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That would eliminate about 95% of the foreign teachers here, including me. I wouldn't bet on it.

 

Backup plan same as always: Have cash, will travel.

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Total bollocks, the reality on the ground is quite different. I worked in NE Thailand for one term, met non~native non~degreed teachers that spoke crap English and roaring drunks, but they were there with full proper visa, as the school's token foreigner. In Thailand there is an extra factor keeping wages and demand down: plenty of retirees (even in the more remote parts you can always find them) from places like US or UK who are quite happy to teach to pass the time.

Money is king in Asia, and people with full proper teaching credentials will be working in proper "international" schools, not Witawatawit's school of English clown monkeys.

donnie3857:

Maybe I will go witoawhatowit to teach when I am old...er.

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