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Q: Tianjin, 9000 RMB, is it enough for a salary...?

Hi everyone, 

 

I had this interview and seemed interesting in many ways opposed to the old offer from Changchun, Jilin.   Salary it will be RMB 9000 per month, paying on your own flat, bills etc. The positive part is the weekly working time which is 17 hours, each hour for a 45 minutes duration in a primary school. 

 

This much I had from the recruiter, a nice person indeed and an honest one,  I dare say again. Little information was provided as of now, although by tomorrow I shall have further details. 

 

I also would enhance on the fact that I prefer to pay myself for the house rent instead of being provided, given the independence I love far too much.  The city is next to Beijing and that makes the flat bidding prices to sky rocket as well. From what I know, many employers tend to secure the flat either by providing it itself, or through an additional amount to the salary. The deposit is roughly three times bigger as a down payment added to the the first month house rent. Certainly, I'm told, help might be provided as well.

 

I surely will come later with additional data. 

 

Would you recommend this for a deal at all? 

 

Again, thank you very much for your input on that. 

 

PD. I can live on little, for sure. However, Tianjin doesn't sound as a cheap city and this amount seems to fit the costs in cities in China with a rather modest economy. 

 

7 weeks 5 days ago in  Teaching & Learning - China

 
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9000 RMB in Tinajin is just as bad as the other position you were offered of 7000 in Changchun.

 

Tianjin is a much more expensive city to live in, and if you are expected to pay for accommodation as well, the recruiter is just looking to screw you over.

 

just because is recruiter is 'nice' is no basis for believing them.

 

You, if you have worked in China for a number of years, you are an experienced professional, are in demand.

not a FOB back-packer.

minimum you should be offered 12,000 per month + Accommodation + utilities

 

in a Primary school you are not really a teacher, but a parent magnet (and probably there to attract the big-bucks parents).

 

don't be afraid to grill the recruiter on terms and conditions because don't forget you are also interviewing them.

a recruiter can fail your interview by failing/refusing to answer reasonable questions regarding employment pay and conditions, and all of these spelt out clearly in any contract on offer.

 

good luck with your search, you will find a place you are happy with, because the last thing you want is the nagging feeling that you are being screwed over hanging over you all the time.

 

wink

 

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9000 RMB in Tinajin is just as bad as the other position you were offered of 7000 in Changchun.

 

Tianjin is a much more expensive city to live in, and if you are expected to pay for accommodation as well, the recruiter is just looking to screw you over.

 

just because is recruiter is 'nice' is no basis for believing them.

 

You, if you have worked in China for a number of years, you are an experienced professional, are in demand.

not a FOB back-packer.

minimum you should be offered 12,000 per month + Accommodation + utilities

 

in a Primary school you are not really a teacher, but a parent magnet (and probably there to attract the big-bucks parents).

 

don't be afraid to grill the recruiter on terms and conditions because don't forget you are also interviewing them.

a recruiter can fail your interview by failing/refusing to answer reasonable questions regarding employment pay and conditions, and all of these spelt out clearly in any contract on offer.

 

good luck with your search, you will find a place you are happy with, because the last thing you want is the nagging feeling that you are being screwed over hanging over you all the time.

 

wink

 

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I don't know if it matters to you but when they say 17 hours a week you might find that your first class is at 8am then the next class is at 1pm and another at the end of the day meaning you can't really do much in your spare time and you're basically sitting in the office all day bored.

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These offers you're getting and questioning whether they're enough. In order to properly answer that Question where are you from? Do you have a degree (BA/BS or higher)? No one can truly answer your question unless you provide those answers. 

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information i got from an admin in a Chinese University.

each FT is budgeted to cost a particular amount per month (a few years ago this would have been 20,000 RMB per month)

it is then up to whoever is doing the actual recruiting to maximise their profit by screwing down the actual salary on offer to the FT.

 

you have been offered 9,000 RMB?

the recruiter is probably pocketing at least the same every month should you accept this.

 

This is why they love FOB's and dislike experienced professionals who know the score - maximum profit

 

they are soooooo clever, which is why they are quick to  'get offended' when someone dares to probe and clarify further

 

you being a NN means that it is an opportunity to increase their profit by feeling forced to accept poorer work terms and conditions.

 

Forewarned is forearmed sad

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Well, I told you from the start you're not qualified so the offers suit you

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1. You'll never get legal working permit/Z visa as Non in any of the T-1 cities;

2. You might have slight chance if you BA was completed in Native English speaking country and you have an authorization stamp from Uni on the degree.

3. As I understand, guanxi doesn't work anymore because School's application for FT's Working permit must/can be submitted to SAFEA only online.

 

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Short answer would be go for it if you are ok with the salary and want to be in that specific city.

 

However, I want to add up to the excellent inputs folks already gave you the following :

 

1. Recruiters are in fact clever (Maybe not tricky...that's another topic).

Chinese employers will always be nice to you in the beginning, this is the way they are. But as far as I was concerned, in my previous experiences, i found no correlation between the level of kindness of the boss and the level of pay/benefits/work conditions.... at the end of the day, a job salary is a negotiation that you have to win.

 

2. Always ask them to give you an example of a  working week, that will give you an exact  idea about how your workload will be....And expect to take part in extra curriculum activities which may occur from time to time (children's day, open day, blabla day...etc).

 

3. You can keep shopping around. There are many schools that are looking for teachers and they'll offer you a better salary + benefits. It is unlikely that a school wont offer you accommodation, unless maybe if they are paying a high salary (13-20 k range)

 

4. Living in a foreign country is very different from your home country, which means you need to be prepared for any circumstances that can happen or for the many wonder of the expat life lool...which mean you need MONEY.. .. pure pink bills and plenty of them. What I want to say, here, is that you must absolutely negotiate your salary to your favor and don't compromise for less. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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