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Q: UK leaves EU bro!

Whaaaaaaa.....

 

Can't believe UK left EU, share your thoughts! I think it's horrific!

 

"Let's stick it to the elite and leave EU", well done, you ruined your country.

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When you screw the middle class, it always bites you in the ass eventually. I am still amazed that elites think snob college educated folks and stupid poor folks can always out vote and screw the middle class. The middle class will leave if the vote is rigged and then you get France right now. Let's not learn from history and try it again, we can do it better because we are smarter than the snobs who did it last time.

 

Poor Obama, Britain will be at the back of the que, really, take that bust of Winston Churchill and shove it up your narcissistic ass. Britain still has a lot of problems from joining the EU to begin with, not sure if it's too late to really make a difference anyway.

Angry electorate, globalisation, immigration, lost pride, and populism, Cameron says "i dont understand, what did we do wrong", really, you need to ask!!!

retiredinchina:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/china-reaction-to-brexit-2016-6

 

So the Chinese are squirming a little over the exit, interesting.

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It will be a couple of years to get article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty enacted. By then things will be back on track, I expect.

 

I predict this won't be the last country to exit. Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Italy and others will get to thinking it isn't doing them any favors either.

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Friday Humor: What Comes After Brexit

Brexit. Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium.

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When you screw the middle class, it always bites you in the ass eventually. I am still amazed that elites think snob college educated folks and stupid poor folks can always out vote and screw the middle class. The middle class will leave if the vote is rigged and then you get France right now. Let's not learn from history and try it again, we can do it better because we are smarter than the snobs who did it last time.

 

Poor Obama, Britain will be at the back of the que, really, take that bust of Winston Churchill and shove it up your narcissistic ass. Britain still has a lot of problems from joining the EU to begin with, not sure if it's too late to really make a difference anyway.

Angry electorate, globalisation, immigration, lost pride, and populism, Cameron says "i dont understand, what did we do wrong", really, you need to ask!!!

retiredinchina:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/china-reaction-to-brexit-2016-6

 

So the Chinese are squirming a little over the exit, interesting.

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Hello? Am I speaking with Immigration Police Scotland? I need to apply for a residence permit.

- Do ye have any relatives living in Sco'land?

Yes, most of my family has always lived at Balmoral Castle. I was your queen once.

- Not anymore yer not. If ye've been livin' in Sco'land fer more than 5 years, regulations state ye need te apply fer citizenship.

I couldn't possibly. I'm the queen of England you know.

- Aye, ye told me already. If Balmoral is yer primary place of residence, ye need tae pay taxes te Sco'land. Or else, ye c'n live in England for over 6 months per year...

NOOOOOOO...

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Got to admire the balls of my fellow countrymen. This has been building up for years. 

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i wish i could buy them all a pint, but geographically and financially, it's not possible, but i have never been more proud of my British friends across the pond. The only moment better was when I met Winkle Brown.

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'UK votes to leave UN' reports Fox News

http://www.theguardian.com/media/mediamonkeyblog/2016/jun/24/uk-votes-to-leave-un-reports-fox-news

 

It's only a couple of letters, right

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Summer is here, great time to travel to England while the pound is low against most currencies, a 25 percent off vacation on a silver platter, could not ask for anything better.

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Interesting topic and views Saif, the opposite of what you were saying on wechat recently. 

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Ahoy mates. I think I saw the UK raft leave the EU ship and she appears to be listing. shiver me timbers, will other Danish, or Dutch rafts appear and jump ship too ?!  Man yer stations, lads !  Seems I see a solid squall appearing on the horizon !!!

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did you sign in with the wrong account?

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It's seriously dumb. Not even a 52% majority. The news speaks of an overwhelmingly decisive vote to leave. And when discussing Scotland's 62% Stay vote, it's just a majority with a noticeably absent descriptor like "overwhelming".

Hey, in order to get minor new laws passed, a 2/3 or even 75% majority is usually necessary. But if there's barely a majority in a referendum that can cause shockwaves in society, then screw the 48.2% minority. Thank you for making that wager, Mr. Cameron, now scurry away from the mess you made. Typical Tory cock-up. Seriously dumb.

Did Bush or Obama get impeached once their popularity rating was under 50%? Of course not. This whimsical excuse for breaking away from decades of economic cooperation is contemptible. Britain has been opting out of so much EU cooperation in the past, I guess it's good that they stop beating around the bush. Either you're in or you're out; stop blocking the doorway.

The vote is mostly from English countryside nongs too stupid to know what's best for them. Britain already was NOT part of the Schengen visa area NOR the single currency market, yet they got to benefit from EU citizen status abroad, as well as free trade profits. Cameron even negotiated an even more favourable deal with the EU, but that's off the table for good, now. A deal with all-benefits-no-obligations was not enough for the arrogant English. Wait to see what happens. I think the EU will take off the gloves now, as they should have long ago.

the people of England want more privileges? If they're going for a Norway or Switzerland-type non-membership deal with the EU, they can look forward to throwing the borders *completely* open to their neighbours, and a low trade tariff rate if they ask really nicely while EU leaders are in a good mood. Britannia ruled by shockwaves.

As for Scotland becoming independent: Now more than ever it seems to be a better option than staying with the British Union for stability's sake. Why should we do what the people of England can't even do themselves with the European Union? It's like being a sane minor controlled by a mentally ill guardian.

I was dismayed to learn that I was not allowed to vote in the referendum because I wasn't a registered voter in Britain for over 15 years. For my own citizenship status, being born in Aberdeen in 1982 when territorial birth rights applied, I wonder what will become of my nationality. Will I get screwed over for being out of the country for too long? Or can I claim both English citizenship rights based on previous territorial laws, AS WELL AS get me a brand-spanking-new Scottish passport? That would be hilarious. My family is starting a bit of a passport collection:
Me: Dutch, British, maybe becomes English + Scottish
Wife: Chinese
Sons: British (maybe a twofer), Dutch (not bothered to apply for yet), German due to residence...

icnif77:

Are nongs in UK, too? I thought that's word from Chinese 'dialect'.

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The vote in the countryside was pretty evenly split.  Many farmers gained from EU subsidies.  The Remain side lost the vote because of being completely out of touch with working-class voters in the North and Midlands.  

 

On the bright side, my trip home in a month or so just got considerably cheaper!

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/divided-britain-brexit-money-class-inequality-westminster

 

if you have money, you want in, if you dont have money, you want out. pretty simple actually. Forgive my american bias, but isn't socialism supposed to spread the wealth so people are not pissed off enough to vote for leaving, what happen to the labor party in Britain, they have union mafia bosses that screw the working man like they did in america and tell you they got your back jack.

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I don't think it was very dumb. The EU is run by a bunch of elite capitalists and whilst the Tories also cater to the super rich at least they can be voted out. The elites of EU are the overlords of the union. Yeah they have little votes between themselves but a vote among kings is not democratic enough.

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Sounds like the overlords that think they run america, facebook, google, obama, and the new york times and the rest of the objective open minded media (or should i say the fourth branch of government) that everyone loves so much, nice to know someone else has this problem, but when you cant get rid of a see saw bankruptcy developer named Trump, how smart can you really be as an overlord.

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The referendum appears to have been the excuse, but this thing was decades in the making. The Brits never really wanted to join with Europe. Overlord Hillary Clinton talks of a 'special relationship" with the UK, and it has gained Britain a reputation of being USA's lapdog, which is what they like more. Boris Johnson's overtures to Chinese businesses in London in the past few years indicate foreknowledge. It didn't work too well, because Amsterdam reports a large number of Asian businesses are relocating their main office out of London. The EU leadership probably knew about it, too. It's a power grab hidden as a victory for the people.

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"Let's vote again and again until we get the vote we want".

Yeah, enough said about democracy and the Euro supporters.

 

I remember that's what happened in France where people rejected two referendums (one for the Constitution and one for the Lisbon treaty), after what Brussels just thought they'd simply stop asking and go on anyway.

How do you call that in other parts of the world? Yeah, a dictatorship.

 

52%, given the shameless and massive propaganda that has been going on for months, is a fairly decent score.

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The Leave campaign's propaganda was honest and balanced, than? Do you believe that? The false/cherrypicked numbers to frighten people? The debunked horror stories of what goes on in Brussels? The immigration scaremongering? The false promises and scoffing at consequences? You believe it all?

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You know what's funny?

No one I had ever met from the "pro-remain" camp was ever able to outline even the basics of the EU institution when asked.

Most of them don't even know what is called the pathetic money launderer supposed to lead it.

 

But yeah somehow people like me, who actually have dug the into the subject and know exactly what kind of scam/oppressive machine is running in Brussels, somehow, we're the peasants/misinformed/fascists.

 

Really not seeing a pattern here? You know, how everything that's not self-serving to a  very specific group of people are usually tagged as "peasants/misinformed/fascists"

ambivalentmace:

the bombing at the brussels airport did not help most europeans feel secure, if you cant protect the capital airport, can you imagine the stink from a bombing at the airport that congressman use in washington, d.c.

 

the information to the public of how two large bags of explosives made it into the building even before the luggage checkout is something no one is talking about, very embarrassing.

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If you're so well informed, can you explain the big scoop about why the EU is so awful? Can you do it by making rational arguments?

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If I was lazy I would say "name one advantage" because quite frankly I'm absolutely puzzled when I think about it.

 

- Net contribution: as far as the big countries are concerned, Brussels takes way more money that it gives back, and of course takes its own share to feed its massive administration.

- Remember the last shitty law that passed ? Chances are it's a EU recommendation. Unless you're a German of course in which case you embrase shitty laws anyway.

Wait til you see TAFTA. By the way what good is a treaty that's being negotiated in absolute secret. You really think it's for your best interest? Sure keep dreaming.

- What exactly is the point of leaving your own sovereignty to a conglomerate of countries with differing interests?

- Nothing that exists today within the frame of the EU couldn't be solved by bilateral deals. Actually everything that's advertised as good from the EU like its space program, or Erasmus, have absolutely nothing to do with the European Union and would not cease to exist should the latter do.

- Economy. The Euro is a nonsense, common currencies have existed by the dozen in the past, none survived and neither will this one. There's no reason free trade zones couldn't exist, there's just absolutely no logic in having everyone discussing the details at the same time.

By the way, how is Brussels protecting you against shitty Chinese products? How is it protecting the petrodollar from buying every property they can ? How is it giving you any advantage for export ? Yeah, it's not.

- Borders. No reason borders couldn't exist while letting Europeans come and go freely while controlling everyone else.

- Massive corruption going on in Brussels where there are now more lobbyists than in Washington. Which is, by the way, one of the intended goals.

- Ask the Greeks. Really ask them.

- Absolute ruin of the agriculture now becoming just another subsidized sector waiting to die so big business can take the place.

 

If you wish to dig into any of these items, I'll be gladly back with data.

 

The sole and only country that benefits from the Eurozone is Germany. Germans are nice people, but sorry, they can keep their shitty jobs and their demographic death wish and take it to the grave.

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You claim to have transparent, validopinions about a lot of non-transparent stuff. I'll give my 2cts about each of your topics, apologies for my inability to paragraph comments: 1) Contribution vs. returns is an easy topic to cherrypick. How can you even put it into numbers? Are you adding profits retained from the absence of trade tariffs? It's a subject that appears clear-cut due to the numbers presented, but numbers are misleading.. 2) Secret trade deals are nothing new in politics. 3) We are never in full control. Souvereignty is a nationalist concept I don't identify strongly with. I need substantive, concrete social disadvantages, not contrived appeals to indignation. 4) Britain, the Empire, wouldn't fare well with bilateral deals; not with its colonial history. It will rely on America's muscle to coerce deals now. 5) The Euro sucks. I miss the Dutch guilder; you could buy much more with it. I won't support an institution that screwed common people over, so you win this one. But Britain didn't have the Euro, and Cameron was assured the Pound could be retained. Britain had it way too good. And nobody can protect against shitty Chinese products; China has sussed out the weaknesses of scarcity-based economics too well. 6) Britain already has a well-guarded border. Even France helps in Calais. Britain isn't part of the Schengen area. Immigrant descendants with British passports will continue to bring in the bulk of immigrants legally, no matter what Britain does. To solve this 'problem', you'd need to pass legislation to revoke citizens' passports, but their country of origin will either refuse them, or threaten to kill them if they return. The culmination of your anger heads towards an unspeakable direction. 7) Let's ask Lord Sewel about corruption shall we. I guess it's only offensive if non-Britons do it? Now where are those Asian ladies I want to spend taxpayers' money on? 8) I could talk about how America dumped hundreds of billions of its toxic assets on the Greek stock exchange, but this economic warfare is too sensitive to openly acknowledge. Anyway, you're the type who'd shout 'tinfoil hat' and ignore this kind of thing, so it's pointless. Greek austerity measures suck I agree, but Europe also has growing resentment of taxation. You sorta contradict yourself with this insincere compassion for the Greeks - aren't you opposed to your taxes going towards other EU countries? 9) The agriculture sector in Europe has been heavily subsidised because of the WWII famine, which we never want to see again. It's the reason food is inexpensive, but the USA in particular has always opposed it, because its crappy cornsyrup products can't compete. Too bad for them. Ask yourself if what you heard about agriculture subsidies really hurts you, or just certain lobbyists' interests. 10) Germans aren't all that nice, especially the northerners (Saxons). They have zero patience for non-adherence to rules. They are rigid, impatient, and overestimate themselves. That muppet Juncker used the phrase "not happy to hear" about Cameron's delay to activate article 50, which reminds me of that bitch landlady who has harassed me with BS the past year. But from a nationalist viewpoint, Germans have lost their arrogance in 2 world wars. But it's easy to see why these people so easily went along with Nazi authority. Britain will have to learn humility the hard way too, unfortunately.

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1 - Of course. When numbers are relevant they are misleading. Unless they support your narrative indeed. Fact: the EU is (was) a net liability to the UK. Would you care as to specify what “trade tariffs” you are talking about? I hear Chinese grinning already. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2052433/Chart-How-does-Britain-pay-EU-does-back.html

2 – Doesn't make them right or even acceptable.

3 – I prefer owning a house where I can make any change I want whenever I want rather than a flat where I need to get 20 approvals before I can change a window.

4 – No one with the power to actually sign anything relevant cares about it. Unless they need an easy threat for other purposes.

5 – Wait a second, isn't a common currency a logical step in the process? How can you say it sucks? I know why, because it's the surest and most obvious sign of the utter failure that EU is.

6 – Agreed. But it was often an argument during the campaign. Totally agree with you it's irrelevant. Although from a non-UK EU member standpoint, Shenghen and the Euro are part of what makes it a stupid idea.

7 – The advantage of Brussels: no one cares about what's going on there. So it never becomes a scandal.

8 – You could. Please do it. Remember it was Goldman Sachs who first helped cook the Greek books that got them into the EU. Now who was in charge of the EU during the first Greek crisis? Clue: a Spanish person. Now look up his CV and tell me about it. Also look up the CV of the Greek president at the time. Seeing a pattern yet? If so keep looking into who actually are the people on top of the EU. But I'm sure it's irrelevant, just like #1.

9 – Farmers are dying because they can't earn a living. And don't be condescending into believing they don't know how to grow crops without subsidies. The only thing they need is people not bombing their soil. And the only reason they are subsidized is so to make sure no one wants their job in the next generation so big business can take over. Oh and by the way don't forget most countries are paying more for this shitty policy than they actually receive. Same old.

10 – I couldn't give a damn if Germans are nice or not. What I care about is that they don't take us all to hell with their death wish.

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I did some checking for you. Britain's EU membership in 2015 cost 2.1 Billion euros. I can't just divide it by population (64.1 million) because of minors, elderly and other tax-exempted individuals, because that would amount to merely 32.76 euros per person per year. Of course it's more than that. Internet sources average it at 100GBP per year, around 1% of what people pay in British taxes. Less than a tenner a month. For individuals, it's probably lower assuming the government also takes the membership taxes from businesses, not just from citizens. That's 99% of people's time wasted complaining about 1% loss of souvereignty. Efficiency with human characteristics.

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Sovereignty is not about the rebate you get on racket money.

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Ah, I get it. It's a relations thing, like in CK2 or EU4! You have no problem with the 99% tax from the British protection racket because {+ Same Culture Bonus} {+ Same Religion Bonus} {+ Long Reign Bonus} {+ Prestige Bonus}. But the 1% tax from EU gets {- Foreign Culture Penalty} {- Mixed Religion Penalty} {- Short Reign Penalty} {- Ignored demand to arrest immigrants} {- Territorial Expansion} {- Wrong gov't type: Social Democracy vs. Oligarchy} {- Race traitor} {- Sponsors Rival} {- Vassal is Envious} {- Vassal is Ambitious}. Well, Scotland and Northern Ireland have a few less bonuses than the heartlands, so England's intention to break the feudal contract just caused their loyalty to plummet!

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You are putting words in my mouth. How do you know I don't have a problem with British taxes?

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This is a big victory for neoconservatism. Once again, people show they are easily riled up against a fictional enemy image.

The EU has corruption and problems that need addressing, but the benefits far outweigh the downsides. Britain has been in the EU for decades, meaning entires families were built on European prosperity. They will be in trouble soon.

Humans are prone to conflict, and since the EU has no enemy, it has become the enemy people hate. If there were a war with Russia or something, opinions of the EU would be through the roof even with twice the amount of immigration and corruption. You only need to see how quickly homogenous China complains about being "overrun" by foreigners, to realize that "too much immigration" is a relative & subjective emotional value judgement.

Britain was never really a social democracy. They had a 2-party system just like the US to make bribing all parties cheaper. It has been an oligarchy ever since the monarch relinquished power. Now they are moulding voters to be more emotional, impressionable and controllable.

Britain is growing closer to America. I'm willing to bet the BBC will soon be the Fox network of Britain, and right-wing blog sites will be elevated to credible news sources.

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The BBC will become the next Fox news, what a load of sh*t.

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People care about their livelihood and safety. Politicians who get their money from corporations looking to exploit imported cheap labor from eastern Europe or now refugees don't care about people's genuine concerns.

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The EU has corruption and problems that need addressing, but the benefits far outweigh the downsides.

 

Okay, let's compare lists? Mine's above, where's yours?

 

Britain has been in the EU for decades, meaning entires families were built on European prosperity. They will be in trouble soon.

 

Who the hell are you talking about? Eurocrats in Brussels? Oh poor them.

 

Humans are prone to conflict, and since the EU has no enemy, it has become the enemy people hate. If there were a war with Russia or something, opinions of the EU would be through the roof even with twice the amount of immigration and corruption.

 

Replace EU with China and Russia with Japan. Bingo, there we have it.

Soros would be proud.

 

You only need to see how quickly homogenous China complains about being "overrun" by foreigners, to realize that "too much immigration" is a relative & subjective emotional value judgement.

 

Want to compare actual numbers?

 

Britain was never really a social democracy. They had a 2-party system just like the US to make bribing all parties cheaper. It has been an oligarchy ever since the monarch relinquished power. Now they are moulding voters to be more emotional, impressionable and controllable.

 

Yes, sure, we have all seen know how the Brexit party, who controls the press has pushed its agenda through media propaganda.

 

Britain is growing closer to America. I'm willing to bet the BBC will soon be the Fox network of Britain, and right-wing blog sites will be elevated to credible news sources.

 

Yeah, because months of predicting the apocalypse and the end of Great Britain for something as small and irrelevant as the EU in the big picture of history really helped titles like The Guardian looking like credible sources.

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I guess in your analogy the EU is like the inheritor of Nazi Germany. Immigration and labour exploitation is in essence the same as concentration camps and world war. The EU is as big an enemy to its citizens as China is to theirs. Because foreigners and foreign government is gaining power. I'm not a souvereign, I'm just a citizen, and leaving the EU makes the situation far worse for average Britons. I'm just lucky I don't have to live there.

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Leaving the EU makes the situation far worse for average Britons.

 

Oh, since you can foresee the future would you please give us lottery winning numbers or good stock investments?

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You're absolutely right. No reason to feel down. Maybe during trade negotiations, Britain will win the lottery! Anything's possible. Except maybe that. But seriously: We know how the economy works. Moody's and S&P's have already downgrated Britain's creditworthiness, and they'd only do that if financial unreliability is undeniable. Amsterdam is thrilled with the announcement of big Asian financial investors moving their headquarters there now. The European leaders are eager to punish Britain with high tariffs; they can't wait for the 2-year grace period to expire already. The EU has all these international trade deals set up long ago with the strength of Britain behind it, and Britain is now willing to go it alone and hope it can negotiate new deals by itself. I think the opinion of America's bulldog around the world is worse than you may think. Imagine having to go to Arab oil Sheiks alone, who are aware of Britain's role in messing up the Middle East in the past, and asking for a new trade deal. Britain got a good deal because it was merely part of a large group of European nations, and the Sheiks did not feel it appropriate to act out old/new grudges on everyone. It will be like this with many countries around the world. The EU has the benefits of good trade deals with the Commonwealth thanks to Britain's presence, so it doesn't really need Britain anymore. I only care about this because my 2nd passport will be devalued, as British citizens become inevitably impoverished. All because a few oligarchs want lower taxes for their multinationals, and are too lazy to move them out of Britain, so they pushed to move Britain out of the EU. Money in politics, pure and simple.

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So in a word a bunch of mafia gangsters threaten you with repercussions if you leave their circle like the petty thugs they are so to you it looks preferable to look away, pay racket money and hope to live another day.

Well the majority thought otherwise it seems.

No one said it wasn't going to suck at the beginning. Lots of threats and self-fulfilling prophecies to realize. But these have nothing to do with the UK not being able to do anything by itself. It's just revenge from a bunch of criminals but worry not, #1 they don't have unlimited resources either and that's going to have to stop eventually and #2 they're pussies and won't come through with half of what they said would happen. Your best bet would be another country leaving in a year.

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Britain's fate in the coming months will determine whether more countries want to leave.

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Put in other words, a senior mobster overestimates himself and thinks he doesn't need the rest of the mob to run his racketeering business for him. The whole neighbourhood is shocked about it. The old mobster says to his kids: "Come with me Wally, Ulster and Scott; we'll go door by door and collect protection money ourselves. It will be easy. Glad to be rid of that freeloading syndicate." Scott and Ulster say: "No dad, you're not dragging us down with you."

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At least you do acknowledge it is a racketeering business.

 

Comparing institutions like the press or the political apparatus to a mafia like I did is one thing, but comparing a whole country, its people and their sovereign decisions to a bunch of thugs is really funny business. But that says a lot unfortunately.

 

Be glad you're not a journalist, the kommandantura wouldn't let this one pass. Even less the comment section (though these are getting rarer especially on certain type of colums, oddly enough).

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The only difference between state taxation and a protection racket, is that the state has moral authority gained by strength. Some protection clients missed the mafiosi after they were eradicated, because protection rackets are often more responsive to clients' needs when there is a problem, while the state usually has bureaucratic laws that don't really protect victims anymore. Not unless you have serious clout. Mobsters grab every opportunity to grow their moral authority, so their clients get pro-active protection. States are too powerful already to give a damn about unhappy clients, like the 48% of Britain's population who are being dragged into the whirlpool by rash decision making. That's a lot more philosophy than I was planning to share. But it's necessary to make the point that Britain's moral authority took a nosedive along with its economic strength.

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So to you the logical answer is to support one extra layer of supranational government?

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If you think revoking long-standing agreements is logical, then you are confusing 'logical' with 'simplistic'. Simplistic speaking, reasoning and decision-making has a catchy appeal to people, but not adhering to simplicity has as much bearing on the quality of logic, as low advertisement budget has on a product's quality. Britain had many options: all-in, leave the union, and a wide range of negotiable solutions. A good negotiated solution was already on the table, but for simplicity's sake it is either comsidered a variant of all-in, or weasel word cowardice. And you dare speak to me about logic? Britain got to choose between a logical-but-not-simple deal made by Cameron, and a simplistic-but-not-logical heat-of-the-moment gut reaction. And going All-in with the EU was NOT on the table. Britain voted for what 'felt right' rather than what works best. Compromises are neither gratifying nor glorious, and disgruntled old people just want to watch the world burn. Putting such a thing up for a *popular* vote just indicates that the oligarchs were searching for a justification, a claim, a casus belli. The decision to leave was made long ago by the same backroom dealers you hate, but now you get to feel good about leading the way. This is all emotions on the part of the public, no logic involved.

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No, you're talking about how governments and taxes are bad, then I simply asked you how an extra layer of government on top of the government would realistically achieve anything better.

You do not wish to answer that I get it. Forget it.

 

I'm sorry, I get that you don't like democracy. I don't like it either but at least I'm not pretending I do. Anyway I think the results were pretty clear and we all have to swallow pills we don't like. For instance the Irish, the French, and the Danish all voted against Europe and they got it anyway. So now wind has shifted, the pro EU have carefully avoided and shun public referendums for as long as they could because they perfectly know how it usually turns out when they ask countries that matter. So now they just got that "no" they can't masquerade as a "yes" anymore ("vote again" is the best they got, pathetic) , and it's time you just accept it.

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An extra layer of government in Brussels protects against the abuses of Westminster. Scotland had some means of legal recourse if England went too far, and vice versa for excesses in Brussels. There is a big difference. No actions can be continued with impunity by a liege if a vassal has an avenue to bring about consequences. And don't BS me how the EU was rampant and power-hungry, because what could the UK just do? And in England, municipal governments received all kinds of standardized subsidies that Westminster would otherwise have denied them. I'm certain the whole UK will be worse off now.

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Well done UK! Remember, the USA had the biggest brexit in history and we went on to become the most powerful country in the world. Our brexit was a lot more risky too. The EU is a joke, London should not let Brussels dictate their affairs. Americans salute you. 

nzteacher80:

Please tell me more on how Brussels dictates things to London under the EU. Because it sounds to me like you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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Everything from immigration to working hours. Do a little research. An EU country can hardly be called a country, more like a state or province. The EU nothing but a liberal monstrosity that thinks it "knows best" as it does incredibly stupid things like welcome millions of young fighting age Muslim men, I mean what could go wrong there??

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/681539/EU-referendum-Brussels-funding-European-Union-Brexit?_ga=1.192002858.1653685884.1464352762

 

so 20 percent of eu officials draw salaries higher than the prime minister of britain, where do i send my resume? In another ridiculous vanity project, every EU meeting is translated into the European club's 24 official languages by interpreters who can rake in up to £800 a day.

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Yep. When a political decision wipes 2 trillion dollars off the world economy overnight it's got to be a great idea. And liberals have no business sense. Hmmm. Yeah.

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two trillion on paper, the value of a stock is based on beliefs, has nothing to do with economics or business per se, nobody burned 2 trillion in currency, people just lost faith in a perceived value.

 

If you think my car is worth 5000 and its worth 2000, i will take the 3000, the value of the eu was overpriced and the market corrected.

 

 

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Goldman Sachs have just released a statement saying how Brexit will wipe 2.75% off the British GDP in the next 18 months. It's looking to seriously affect the world economy.

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jesl, as a fellow american, i have to accept the fact that america winning the revolutionary war with england was a very bad outcome.

if america had lost, slavery would have been abolished about 30 to 40 years earlier and black/white race relations would be as good as canada today or better, and many good men would not have died over something so stupid in the civil war,

america would have become independent eventually like canada and we might have more than 2 political parties that are trying to kill each other like we do now, but i would still be a financial conservative and a social "i don't give a damn". Immigrations is a financial issue to me, some people don't see it that way.

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Jesl:

how about this one:

 

Euro-court outlaws criticism of EU

 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1325398/Euro-court-outlaws-criticism-of-EU.html

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damn, i have a french passport and i have broke the speaking  critical of  the EU many times, but prison food in France is better than most common people eat there, so it's not such a bad outcome. I can get care packages of coffee mailed to me.

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@ Ambivalent mace. You go to WND for your news? It's too right wing for Anne Coulter or Bill O'Reilly. Which puts it a little to the right of Adolf Hitler. Its usual fair is stuff like "NObama is a Muslim, commie who was born in Kenya (fake birth certificate!) and he wants to take yer guns so he can give them to his army of Acorn volunteers so they can kill all of the white babies and make all the children of America into transgender, homosexual liberals! So here are some survival tips for when society collapses."

 

It's made for some great reading. Thanks for the laughs.

 

My favourite article is one about how soybeans are making our children gay. No, really.

 

 

 

http://www.wnd.com/2006/12/39253/#!

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yes, i tried to read the article from huffington post asking hillary to step aside for bernie, but clinton and zuckerburg dont want me to read it. its a cruel world when you cant read extreme right and left at the same time. Also i have tried to read those articles were christian men are raping all those muslim women and demanding they believer in john 3:16, but those jews and christians control the press and just dont want us to know how evil they really are, glad i believe in allah and im going to paradise to get away from all those evil infidels. hey, wife number 2 its your turn. number 7 be patient, you'll get your turn, yes i promise to kill your sisters husband so she can join us, have to go restock my ar 15, what a shower, damn its been a week already, allah akbar,

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Here's a rape of Muslims by some good ol' Christian bwoys. Wasn't hard to find. The Mahmudiyah rape and killings involved the gang-rape and killing of 14-year-old Iraqi girl Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi and the murder of her family by United States Army soldiers on March 12, 2006. It occurred in the family's house to the southwest of Yusufiyah, a village to the west of the town of Al-Mahmudiyah, Iraq. The deceased of al-Janabi's family included her 34-year-old mother Fakhriyah Taha Muhasen, 45-year-old father Qassim Hamza Raheem, and six-year-old sister Hadeel Qassim Hamza Al-Janabi.[1] Charged with the crimes of rape and murder were five U.S. Army soldiers of the 502nd Infantry Regiment consisting of Paul E. Cortez, James P. Barker, Jesse V. Spielman, Brian L. Howard, and Steven D. Green, whom the U.S. Army discharged before becoming aware of the crime. Spielman and Green were convicted and the three others pleaded guilty.[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings Wasn't hard to find.

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had to go back a decade for one isolated case, tough doing research if your on the left side of the room. my sympathy for all that wasted hard work.

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Unless one specifies a date, you get what you get...

 

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2012/12/26/us-special-forces-accused-of-raping-afghan-women-during-raid.html  (Afghanistan)

 

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/3/29/u_s_soldiers_accused_of_raping (Iraq)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/07/us-army-colombia-rapes-investigation  (Columbia)

 

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-oew-marshall30jan30-story.html (generic rape in the US military)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military

 

http://www.arlingtonwestsantamonica.org/MST.html

 

So, "isolated" my arse!!! We also need to acknowledge that this is just what we're allowed to hear about! Note the claims that Afghan women were told that if they complained, they'd come back and do it again! You may also note that in one of those links, specific FOI requests have to be made to get any information!

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Haha
The ones who lost the vote are now calling do over ..
Proves that you should cherish your right to vote not bitch if it doesn't go your way

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From www.news.com.au

Hours after voting to leave it, Brits were frantically googling 'what is the EU' - and what would happen if they left it.

Call it Brexit remorse, but it seems online at least, many were showing they weren't quite sure what they were voting for.

And as the result sank in, so many people signed a petition asked for a referendum re-run, they crashed the website hosting it.

One of the top questions asked by UK users after the Brexit referendum result to 'leave' was released was "what is the EU?", Google Trends reported.

And queries about 'what happens if we leave the EU?' tripled.

Englteachted:

Brits are as dumb as Americans

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It's getting moar interesting in Schne-gen:

 

EU Officials To Unveil 'Ultimatum' Blueprint As Final Solution For European Super-State

It appears The Brits dodged more than a migration bullet in their decision to leave The EU. French and German officials are reportedly due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an "ultimatum," with a shockingly predictable final solution to Europe's Brexit-driven existential crisis to morph the continent’s countries into one giant superstate.

icnif77:

My fav guru Jim Rogers on Brexit and blowback (video):

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-27/jim-rogers-brexit-blowback-worse-any-bear-market-youve-ever-seen

 

When it comes to being direct and offering up some truth, one can rest assured that Jim Rogers is a prime candidate to do both.

In an interview with Yahoo! Finance, the legendary investor had some candid and quite unnerving things to say about the global market in the aftermath of Brexit.

 
 

"This is going to be worse than any bear market that you've seen in your lifetime2008 was pretty bad because of debt, well the debt all over the world is much, much higher now. Stocks in the US for instance have been going sideways for 18 months, 24 months. That's called distribution by many people, so when you have distribution for a year and a half, it usually leads to bad things."

If that was too upbeat, Rogers unveils his bear scenario:

 
 

"The bear scenario, the bad scenario is that Scotland now leaves and takes the oil money, the city of London gets whacked by Europe, they lose a lot of income. The UK already has huge international debts, and it has balance of trade problems, budget problems, so the bear case is the pound disappears and England becomes Spain, or Poland, or Italy or something."

 

"It won't happen anytime soon but the deterioration will continue, it makes stocks go down a lot. Remember, stock markets are anticipating the future, they see that happening it will now lead to many other separatist moments in the EU. This is going to encourage a lot of separatist movement, I'm not saying it's good or bad I'm just telling you what's going to happen, or what the bear case is, that if all that happens we all should be very worried."

Regarding where EU will be five years from now, Rogers doesn't believe it will even exist:

 
 

"The EU as we know it now will not exist, the Euro as we know it will not exist."

On how to play this market now,

 

 

"I'll tell you what I'm doing, people have to make their own decisions, going into this I'm long the US Dollar, I'm short US stocks, I own some Chinese shares, I own agriculture around the world. These are things that might do well no matter what happens going forwardThese are going to be perilous times

I hope, I get it right."

 

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Shining_brow:

Query - do you ever see a time when humans are not defined by 'nationality' and that they're actually just 'human'? Do we actually need different countries?

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So isn't abolishing Europe one step in the right direction then?

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Where's the EU nationalism then? The Continentalism? What are we celebrating the abolition of? Being an accepted part of a multicultural group?

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Nigel Farage Warns Of Untold "Public Anger" After UK High Court Decision As Deutsche Now Sees 2017 Elections

"I worry that a betrayal may be near at hand. Last night at the Spectator Parliamentary Awards I had a distinct feeling that our political class, who were out in force, do not accept the 23rd of June Referendum result. I fear that every attempt will be made to block or delay the triggering of Article 50. If this is so, they have no idea of the level of public anger they will provoke."

Shining_brow:

Democracy in action! If you don't like the result, sabotage it!

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I am keep saying .... on posts ''how Chinese political system isn't good and our 'democracy' is sooo much better ..." angel

 

'doesn't matter how you turn, your ass is always behind ....'

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