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Q: What characteristics make a Ch. company good to work for?

In other words, (especially directed at longer-term expats, teachers or otherwise), how can you tell a Ch. company is going to be "decent" to work for?  I recall Traveler saying in a thread that 95% of the jobs he's offered are "unreasonable", so what makes an offer "reasonable"?

 

I'd like to hear some good stories about "decent" managers or the like, or are the best out there ones that simply don't screw you over too badly? (EDIT: or consider their ability to screw you over as a measure of their effectiveness as managers).

 

I know this has come up plenty of times, but usually cast in the opposite direction, about "bad" situations, but I'm curious what a "good" situation would look like, something I can aim for.

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Whether or not a company can provide you with the correct visa is usually one good indication. Unless you're working for an NGO or some other sensitive agency, a legitimate business should have the means to get you a work visa - if not, forget about them. I've learned not to have super-high expectations here so if you get hired by a company who give you a work visa and paid holidays, consider yourself lucky. Some companies will also provide you with health insurance and a prescribed number of paid sick days each month, though these jobs are few and far between from my experience.

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Those owned and operated by young, foreign educated Chinese.

The worst are those run by traditional, older Chinese that know one way and one way alone to do things. In that type of company, all employees soon become door carpets.

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I haven't ever worked for a local company.  But I have worked for internationals that are still international (good) and internationals where the Chinese offices have become localized (bad).  The difference here is:

Truly international: Good standard of English generally and HR seem professional, front desk and security aren't a 12-year old with a truncheon and a girl doing her hair, the offer is professionally done and clearly written, pay and benefits are reasonable for whichever city you're living in, employees of different ages (older employees are a good thing to see because it means the company keeps people for the long term.  Agree with Kaiwen about old managers that are stuck in their ways though).

Localized international: Low standard of English generally (you can tell by speaking to HR - HR at least should have reasonable English), front desk is disorganized and poor security (this usually means other processes are haphazard too - first impressions count for a reason), too eager to give you an offer, lower pay and benefits, young employees (bad companies work graduates into the ground and then when they get burnt out they just replace them).

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simple, request photos of the apartment

request everything be spelled out in detail in the contract. 

if they say no, you are in luck. because you will not have to suffer through what i'm suffering through now

sam239:

Darn, good luck to you. I've come close to packing my bags once already. Didn't you say you're moving to a uni in Beijing?

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Those that employ a lot of women.

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