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Q: What do foreigners get for paying taxes?

11 years 40 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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Which taxes, income or social security ?.  From the first one nothing, like at any other place.  Some claim government services, but for foreigners will depend on type.

On the second one, if you have contributed, at retirement age you will get a pension.  My GF as an example, worked 16 years as a teacher (later admin Asst) at a two year junior college locally.  She resigned for another joib recently, but has kept her pension payments of 700 Rmb per month.  In 9 years she will be eligible for a 1500 Rmb per month pension for life from that retirement fund.  She is also accumulating on her new place of work as a fashion consultant and model trainer.

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Neither foreigners or full proper citizen get anything in return for taxes from any country in the world. Taxes  by definition are  not collected in return for a certain service but for the general purpose of keeping the state up. 

 

Social security is a different story. It would be rather unfair to collect contributions from anyone who is not  theoretical eligible for payouts under any circumstances.

HappyExPat:

I respectfully differ from you, since roads, bridges, tunnels, education and a few others is directly financed by taxpayers money. At least in USA it is so.

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HappyExPat, you are right that not all states follow the everything-in-the-big-kitty-rule (though that is the most honest in my opinion).

The actual point becomes clear in following example: if a school charges a fee per student, then it is not a tax but a price for their service of having your kid educated. But if a school district collects a contribution according to the value of your property just for the purpose of running their school, that is a tax. You would have to pay no matter if you have kids, and there is no relation between your property value and the value of the service of the school. You do not get anything in return directly. indecision

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less money in their paychecks

Xpat.John:

That is exactly what I was going to say.

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An empty disgusting feeling of paying for a Chinese social benefit that we will never see, and neither will the Chinese

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Clean air, Clean water,Great roads .....what else do you want.....angry

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Ripped off - cos most of us don't actually pay tax... however, someone in the accounts department is quite happy to take the money, and buy themselves a few nice things every month (and, if you ask, they'll even type up a letter telling you how much the took out of your pay for their nice new shineys).

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Ripped off entirely. 

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The knowledge we helped this great country serve the most happy,kind people in the world...Hold on.....Perhaps these happy nice people forgot to pay their taxes which left all the ars*****es here we meet every day.But if it was easy everyone would do it eh.Carpe Diem.

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I get a receipt, which is actually more than what I get back home...

 

Createach:

What is that receipt about?!!!!!......................Free KTV hours or free drinks in a club?!!!!!!!............LOL.......anyways..........Thumbs up from me just to balance what another person did by thumbing you down..............Rock  on mate!!!!!

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Good question.  I used to work at a well known tax organization in the USA.  I know a gal at the Chinese bureau.  Really taxes are not the only major source of revenue for the Chinese government.  The Chinese government controls a lot of the "commanding heights" in China.  Therefore a large portion of their revenues are generated through sales of various goods and services.  Tax rates in China are usually higher for dividends, capital markets and business owners.  However, really all engage in tax evasion.  Technically, you are not exempt from paying taxes if you make over a certain amount, which continually changes.  Being a foreigner is not an exemption from paying any tax.  However, consistent with what has been previously stated, your employer will often times claim you make a different rate than you actually do and take a little kick-back for himself for doing so.  You have a right to go down and pay your own taxes.  If you think that you are being cheated.  The warning to you though is that usually you will pay more in taxes than what you are being cheated, and most often times a foreigners salary is quoted to them after taxes.  Therefore is it worth it?  I have evaded the question altogether.  What does it get you?  Crappy environment, corrupt government officials, VERY CLEAN sewage and water treatment centers, government agencies that are NOT top heavy and EXTREMELY efficient.  Yes, China is the best in the world for how the gov't chooses to spend its money.       

siyingyuan:

i love your last sentence.

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Paying someone's dinner or KTV or a mistress's necklace...

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If your question is hoping for an answer like "Yeah...Yeah......there is a tax refund after you leave china".........then you must be in the wrong country my friend..............here you pay tax just because they "the People" encharge think that everyone should pay their depth to the "You know what i mean".......just because ''The people in You know what i mean''.......NEED TO HAVE A LUXURIOUS LIFE and a handsome RETIREMENT............so me and you can forget about a tax refund when will leave this country..............God bless

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nothing.

same as a lot of other countries though, I paid tax working in Canada, but my benefit did not kick in till after I became an landed immigrant, which was 1.5 years later.

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