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Q: What do you think the Chinese response will be to the CIA torture report?
They won't comment it directly, but it will fuel the China Daily editorials when they'll need justification for some totally unrelated stuff.
For at least a decade.
They will say "LOL Xingjiang & Cultural Revolution" ?
Yesterday on Phoenix TV, they made a special flash about it, looping water-boarding depictions. Pot, kettle...
I reckon a bunch of soon-to-be-ex CIA agents have just become eligible for R visas.
We will have to watch the same article on the news for a week or 2 until some new dirt is exposed.
Nessquick:
yea, like every 15 minutes an 5 minute long spot in metro TV again and again ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/10/us-usa-cia-torture-china-idUSK...
Here it is... I actually had to laugh at the response, Washington must be fuming.
Part of me thinks the media in China would ignore it so as not to draw attention to the dubious human rights record of China but I don't know if most Chinese would see the connection so why not just fire away and make America look bad.
ScotsAlan:
Surely America has made itself look bad ?
Can you name any other country on earth that is transporting foreign citizens to other countries for torture to avoid the laws of their own land?
These "rendition" flights were highlighted a long time ago in Scotland, and Scotland banned the flights from landing there. Scotland was a refueling stop on the way to Guantanamo.
America deserves a bashing for this.
But America also deserves applause for having a system that brings it to public attention.
So this is one of those paradox things. Only possible in a bi-polar democracy.
dongbeiren:
I agree it makes America look bad although there' s no comparison between America and China when it comes to human rights. Fortunately the truth eventually came out in America and there's sort of a system (though a far from perfect one) to right these wrongs. It's just pretty hypocritical for the Chinese state media to try and make other countries look bad for human rights abuses given China's human rights record.
China has called America hypocrites, claiming to be a champion of human rights in other countries while having some massive fails at home. In some ways they are right. China has never claimed to care about human rights. A civil society has never been one of their goals.
ScotsAlan:
Yup. They are different systems.
Neither is the best. Both have good and bad.
I like China, but I did post a photo today on my wechat of a sitting device without a posterior on it..
Both systems have a lot of scope for improvement.
China does not even respect the basic human rights, I dare to say that chinese people don't even respect each other. People are dying in the street and chinese don't care at all.
I don't know or care.
As an American, we no longer have a moral leg to stand on. Between forced sterilizations, police brutality, government corruption, mass surveillance, and psychotic torture (rape, extreme sexual assault, murder, savage brutality, etc), we are no better than China.
Both governments can kiss my red ass. I hate them both. Bunch of sick bastards.
ScotsAlan:
Yup Hulk. You need to get back here.
Tonight I went out on my e-bike with my 2.5 year old daughter standing on the footwell. We went on the wrong side of the road, neither of us have a license for an e-bike. we cut across lanes, rode on the side walk.... our target was to buy a birthday card for mom.
We got the card, then headed to a bar to play table football, I had a beer, we borrowed a pen to write the card.
No one stopped us. No one questioned us.
Freedom is more than a constitution. Freedom is not having a constitution.
Hulk:
China has a constitution. They just don't follow it.
And I'm not leaving here... I have the power to change things, and I will continue fighting for it. You don't have that power in China.
But yeah, like I said, neither country has a moral leg to stand on.
RiriRiri:
"As an American, we no longer have a moral leg to stand on"... No longer?
Like you ever had one to begin with. 
xinyuren:
thumbs up to Riri. The U.S. never stood on any high moral ground other than their own proclamations.
Hulk:
Yeah, pretty much. But most of us thought we had a moral leg to stand on as a country...
It will become a card that they pull out every single time that another country criticizes them, for anything, for ever. Never mind that two wrongs don't make a right...
Unbridled joy. What a great week they're having!
Nanjing Day coming up and now this.
Down with everyone! Zhong guo number one!
hunana:
Haha! I was at Beijing Airport and the news was playing continually on a giant screen for two hours... they seem very very pleased to have something to throw in America's face...
i dont know which is worse, killing a man like a coward with a drone, or being a self centered narcissistic jerk who is afraid to capture the man and make him talk so you dont have to use drones and kill civilians, its a dirty job and somebody has to do it, but everybody says its not right, the hypocrisy has always been there, no matter what the politics were, anderson pow camp in the civil war, japanese internment in camps, america trying to wash away the sin with fake outrage, like the roman king washing his hands before he lets the jews kill christ. its a tragic cliche that plays over and over again like a broken record so we can sleep at night with a clear conscious, who me? not me. the great diane feinstein was spied on so this was political payback, history will record the drone attacks and deaths after the current emporer is gone and the torture will be small in comparison, but hey we need to sell papers and stir up guilt for our cause.
xinyuren:
I'm not sure if this rant is in support of the U.S. tortures or against but you wrote "its a dirty job but somebody has to do it", so I will assume that you approve of the torturing.
You speak like a soldier who has been trained to kill and torture. But the issue is whether or not the United States is speaking out of both sides of it's mouth by scolding other countries on human rights issues while at the same time trying to hide their own failures. The American constitution and the United Nations forbids torture, yet it has happened. Shifting it to foreign soil doesn't make it less so. Neither does sweeping it under a rug. Calling the use of drones cowardice is very macho of you, but war is war and killing is killing. I'm glad the report was released so everyone can see the duplicity and it is certainly not overblown.
ambivalentmace:
tying a man to a chair and stabbing him 14 times and having the police call this a suicide is a little different than than torture to save lives, i have no problem with letting a man live who has different views politically or religiously than my own, but if your views believe that you and others should kill me, well now we have a new problem that we will discuss in a fatal way. yes, i was a soldier but the french think waterboarding is too inconclusive, burying a man in a hole to his neck, pour honey on his head, and letting fire ants do the work seems to get a more accurate response when the bloody guillotine in the room does not do the trick. many countries torture, america is the only stupid country that actually admits it and this does nothing to create goodwill or respect, so i dont understand repeating this stupid transparency for no moral or political gain, just do it and dont talk about it like the french.
DrMonkey:
When you "make someone talk" under torture, what you get is talk, not necessarily an accurate story. You mentioned "talking about it like a French". Actually, France and torture got a common story that predates USA's one : Indochina and Algeria. Those experiences became the textbook of counter-terrorism (for real, the master texts are from French officers who fought those wars. Same people became consultant in USA and South America). And the lesson was clear : torture might buy yourself a false confidence and a short-term peace, but in the long run, the intelligence collected is of poor quality, and it increase the determination and the violence of your adversary. It's self-defeating, regardless of its justification. Not the word of vegetarian liberal intellectuals, but of soldiers who started as commando or resistant in WW2, and then fought two particularly nasty and violent colonial wars. And who tortured, burned villages and so on.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/12/10/249681_not-just-torture-senator-sa...
Not just torture: Senator says CIA stalling over bogus intelligence that led to Iraq war
McClatchy Washington BureauDecember 10, 2014
Pinocchio tales
? CIA policy was written by
icnif77:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-role-of-911-in-justifying-torture-and-war-the-criminalization-of-the-us-state-apparatus-senate-report-on-cia-torture-is-a-whitewash/5419222
The Role of 9/11 in Justifying Torture and War: The Criminalization of the US State Apparatus. Senate Report on CIA Torture is a Whitewash
Valerie....
Shining_brow:
"Bogus intelligence"???
WTF?
We in Australia knew that there weren't any nukes or chemical weapons in Iraq long before the war started. One of the officials who actually went public about this is now a Senator... after years of being harrassed etc by government officials.
I think most of us knew that the US just wanted another war in there, and made stit up to make it happen
icnif77:
Investors/posters on US Stocks Market knew that (and expected something bad will happened), because US economy at that time was in the slammer.
I just wonder, how would world community response to this lies, if instead of 'US' would be 'Iran' or some mediocre African country.
This is one of the reasons I hailed Russia at 'Up-yours asylum grant'. I even looked at the possibilities to work there
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homo-sapiens are some sick bastards...... damn pre-fontal cortex. The Chinese and others will use it as ammo against the US, that is normal, we all do it. We see someone do something they griped about it not being cool, and we say, hey! u did just what u said u hated... common human response.
seriously, does any other species kill, injure for 'fun' ? (I really don't know)
and I, for one, am in favour of 'enhanced interrogation' in the ticking time-bomb scenario.
“What the world needs is not dogma but an attitude of scientific inquiry combined with a belief that the torture of millions is not desirable, whether inflicted by Stalin or by a Deity imagined in the likeness of the believer”
(English Logician and Philosopher 1872-1970)
