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Q: What is real truth about China teacher TESOL & TEFL certificate requirements?

I read the below links and wonder why the China job agents and recruiters still pressure people with lies that end up costing newbies $300 to $3,000 for training they really don't need.  Are they collecting commission from the tefl training companies or what?  There are warnings all over the ESL message boards and forums about this but the lies keep coming - and not just from the Chinese.

 

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=107979

 

http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/scam-alert-no-tefl-certificate-req...

 

 

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Not so much a lie (as the purported existence and mass representation of the CFTU, but that's another adventure on the riverbank) as a requirement in one place being touted as a rule for the entire country.

It was 2006 when Guangzhou put two new requirements in place for the FRP: foreigners had to have a TEFL/TESOL certificate and proof of insurance (this was prior to the gov't mandating that the employer was responsible to provide said insurance).

 

Like any and all rules, their application varies from city to city, province to province (and in some cases, day-to-day). Think of these examples and you'll get the idea: mandatory unemployment/pension plan; the 5-year maximum rule; criminal background checks; mandatory teacher testing/training; PSB interviews; visa issuance in-country/HK; USD conversion; hiring of those not from the 'Big 5'; age cap of 55...

 

That's the problem - when people look at these forums as gospel rather than just a collection of personal experiences and opinions, including yours and mine.

 

My question to you is: what is wrong with requiring foreign teachers in China to have a certification in TEFL/TESOL? I've never seen any gov't dictate which organization that the certification must come from so...

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I paid for mine 350 UK in 2009. However, mine is (was) very demanding: 'i - i online'angel.

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The TEFL like the Bachelor degree or the "Native speaker" requirements exist for 2 reasons, when organized by the recruiter at a specific center it's a scam, otherwise schools only ask for requirements such as "Native speaker only!" or "Bachelor degree at least!" because the local government of this specific city is asking for it, if it wasn't for this they would hire any high-school dropout.

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Some require it, some do not. I do not know why. Some recruiters take advantage.  Want a short, definitive, all-inclusive answer? Wake up, you're dreaming.

My first school required one. I did something online for $200. 

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Regarding to Z visa, TEFL or TESOL certificate is required if you do not have the two year working experience. If you have the experiences, then you do not need TEFL or TESOL for your Z visa.

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Tarzan is the next CFTU flunkie.

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I'm no flunkie bunkie. Just tired of being lied to and seeing newbie friends milked dry.  You don't have some newbie friends Bill?

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The hype of the TEFL companies greatly distorts the reality of China "requirements".  They should just be honest and say "A TEFL certificate is optional but if you have no teaching experience it will be a great help to you."  Instead, this is what is happening...

 

http://Internationalteflreviews.wordpress.com

 

http://www.realscam.com/f8/warning-i-i-com-onlinetefl-com-scam-history-b...

 

http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/8415-red-alert-on...

 

http://www.abroadreviews.com/warning-onlineteflcom-clever-scam

 

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130503170222AA7AW44

 

And the real problem is that the company mentioned in these links is just one of a dozen who keep bamboozling people to buy something they are told is a "mandatory requirement".

 

Imagine how pissed off you'd be if you were told that as a foreigner visiting China, you MUST live in Fengtai district in a certain compound and then they make you sign a one year rental agreement for some dumpy apartment in Fengtai and collect 3 months rent and deposits from you. You only learn the truth after you arrive to China.  The analogy is the same here - Total misrepresentation to make a sale. And to add insult to injury most of the TEFL peddlers issue certificates that are only recognized/accepted in obscure countries like Malawi, Gayana, Haiti, Indonesia, Tajikistan, and the like.

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Tarzan, the real deal is this. If the school wants you they will do anything to get you in, TEFL, no TEFL, experience, no experience, degree, no degree, whatever. The people on this  forum work in different provinces and have different experiences because each province interprets the requirements differently, right down to city level. So, if you are looking for something like a standard requirement policy or law then you've come to the wrong place on earth. Because this is China, simple as that. The closest thing to a standard is when you work in a university - degree, TEFL or similar, 2 years experience, native speaker (for English teaching), no criminal record. They will pay you 5000 to 5500 only. This is about the closest you can get to having a standard requirement. Outside of universities, everything goes - from scammers, identity thieves, etc. Hope that clarifies. 

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"Now that we have cleared the air on the " China teacher requirement" issues, we will say that taking a TEFL or TESOL training program is a good idea if you have never taught English before. About half of the expat teachers now working in China are not really qualified to teach from the perspective of experience and academic credentials. These are the teachers that would clearly benefit form a TEFL or TESOL program." 

This is a direct cut and paste quote from the CFTU which also apparently thinks TEFL and TESOL training is valuable. See http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com

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http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=88874  would be my truthful answer on this subject.  When we arrive in China we become prey for the predators.

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