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Q: What type of expat moves to China?

From an ideological point of view.

Is it the liberal socialist democrat type that wants to expand their horizons by living in a so called communist country?  To see how socialism in action really benefits society?  Until they realize its all a big con...and China is more to the right than Kansas (In most ways...except abortion)..

Or is in the right wing, conservative intolerant type that is here to experience the fascist, authoritarian utopia that this country really is.  A society that, unlike home, they have an advantage living in, mostly because they are white.

Or is it just a bunch of horny guys, old and young, that have a greatly enhanced chance at nailing younger hot Chinese girls based solely on them being foreigners, so they tolerate all the shit that goes down here in between conquests?

 

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Interesting topic. Firstly, a few clarifications:

 

There seems to be some confusion, particularly amongst Americans, between Socialism (the self-appointed moniker of various authoritarian regimes) and socialism (spending state wealth on public services). There is no practical relationship between the two.

 

Regimes like the National Socialist (Nazi) Party and the Chinese Communist Party called themselves Socialist in order to achieve widespread support. Both then seized all state assets and power for themselves.

 

Countries like Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland spend most of their annual budget on public services.

 

There is no positive correlation between the latter type of socialism (healthcare, welfare and free education) and the former (nationalist ideology, book burning and death camps). There is, in fact, quite strong negative correlation.

 

“Is it the liberal socialist democrat type that wants to expand their horizons by living in a so called communist country?”

 

I am a liberal democrat type (quite the opposite of “progressives”, who are neither liberal nor democratic). I believe in free speech and constitutional law.

 

I came to China because the flame of adventure was in my heart. A few years later, China had extinguished all flames in my heart. Irony. : D

 

“To see how socialism in action really benefits society?”

 

Socialism, as seen in the economic policies of Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland, greatly benefits people in those societies.

 

The word Socialism, used by authoritarian regimes to imply solidarity with the people, benefits no one but the regime.

 

I was always fairly lucid about the distinction. A lot of Americans, however, are confused about these two concepts, due to the “big government” argument used by Republicans.* They think that universal health care and the Red Menace are somehow linked, despite no historical or rational connection.

 

*: Health care = Socialism. Socialism = Nazi Germany. Therefore, Health care = Death camps. Well that escalated fast.

 

"Until they realize its all a big con...and China is more to the right than Kansas (In most ways...except abortion).."

 

Agreed. I never thought the Communist style of government was good, but I did underrate the scale and significance of its evil. I used to think Communism was a preoccupation of Cold War America, and had little relevance to the world today. I didn’t appreciate the political, cultural, intellectual and spiritual rape that Communism inflicts on society, until having lived a few years in China.

 

"Or is in the right wing, conservative intolerant type that is here to experience the fascist, authoritarian utopia that this country really is.  A society that, unlike home, they have an advantage living in, mostly because they are white."

 

No. Open-minded people are open to experiences. Right wing, conservative, intolerant types are not liable to deliberately expand their boundaries in order to test the preconceptions they have.

 

Speaking of judgmental, intolerant types: China is blissfully free of “progressives”. For all their ideological bullshit about how non-Western cultures are wonderful, they sure tend not to live in them. Hurrah. : D

 

“Or is it just a bunch of horny guys, old and young, that have a greatly enhanced chance at nailing younger hot Chinese girls based solely on them being foreigners, so they tolerate all the shit that goes down here in between conquests?”

 

That’s certainly a factor. I’ve met a few skeevy expats who hang out in expat bars and talk about their conquests of gullible teenage girls. Fortunately I almost never go to bars. I don’t have any “conquests” to speak of, but I’ve had relationships with a few very attractive Chinese women.

 

SUMMARY

 

People who come to China are mostly independent, open-minded types. Some are curious. Some are people who don’t have good opportunities back home. A few years in China will make most people (like me) a good deal more cynical about politics and human nature.

 

While I now have a job I quite like and an abundance of leisure time, I also think the availability of attractive women is a big draw card. Without Chinese women, I don’t think China would amount to much in anyone’s opinion.

 

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Cynical and angry, there are days when I'm like Trevor from GTA V, one wrong stare, one wrong halou followed by giggles and I make you eat the ground. Although usually, I feel much better for several months after getting really mad at someone, it's the accumulation and release of all the little 'so China' things that happen on a daily basis. Just pray that you are not the one who has to take all my frustration accumulated for the past 2 years into my fist.

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@random guy, so true, I feel the same, maybe it's time to go home...??? It would have been probably a way easier, if I hadn't had a Chinese g/f.

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..or is it the type who has been working and living back wherever they come from and just wants to do something different and interesting while they're still young enough?

 

Maybe it's the type who has the opportunity fall into their lap, possibly as a job offer, and thinks why not give that a try?

 

Is it the type who wants to save some money?

 

Or who wants to be able to work and still have enough free time to pursue their other interests?

 

Is it the type who wants to spend a year or two partying and having fun before they commit to a life of drudgery in some career or other?

 

Is it all of the above? a combination of the above? none of the above? Who knows, everyone has their own reasons.

 

I can only think of one person I've met in China who moved for ideological reasons.. she was into all sorts of human rights causes and was determined to change China. She lasted about five months I think and was always angry and frustrated that nobody cared about what she thought or wanted to change their culture to agree with hers.

philbravery:

China is sort of like the that cartoon with Cyotee.and the sheep dog. they go head to head all day but are mates at quitting time. don't judge it ..just try to understand it .

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Yep, and if / when you don't understand it, just accept that that's how they roll in these parts.

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it also helps that alcohol is readily available in most places

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For me it simply boiled down to "it seamed like a good idea at the time".
China for me offers a place i can hide in plain site.
If I don't want to talk i play the me no abla card .
other things that attract me are new idea's that i haven't seen before .
and getting more for my Australian Dollar.
Oh and of course looking at pretty girls .(ffs im not gay)
@the dude ....how long are you in China this stint?

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Interesting topic. Firstly, a few clarifications:

 

There seems to be some confusion, particularly amongst Americans, between Socialism (the self-appointed moniker of various authoritarian regimes) and socialism (spending state wealth on public services). There is no practical relationship between the two.

 

Regimes like the National Socialist (Nazi) Party and the Chinese Communist Party called themselves Socialist in order to achieve widespread support. Both then seized all state assets and power for themselves.

 

Countries like Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland spend most of their annual budget on public services.

 

There is no positive correlation between the latter type of socialism (healthcare, welfare and free education) and the former (nationalist ideology, book burning and death camps). There is, in fact, quite strong negative correlation.

 

“Is it the liberal socialist democrat type that wants to expand their horizons by living in a so called communist country?”

 

I am a liberal democrat type (quite the opposite of “progressives”, who are neither liberal nor democratic). I believe in free speech and constitutional law.

 

I came to China because the flame of adventure was in my heart. A few years later, China had extinguished all flames in my heart. Irony. : D

 

“To see how socialism in action really benefits society?”

 

Socialism, as seen in the economic policies of Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland, greatly benefits people in those societies.

 

The word Socialism, used by authoritarian regimes to imply solidarity with the people, benefits no one but the regime.

 

I was always fairly lucid about the distinction. A lot of Americans, however, are confused about these two concepts, due to the “big government” argument used by Republicans.* They think that universal health care and the Red Menace are somehow linked, despite no historical or rational connection.

 

*: Health care = Socialism. Socialism = Nazi Germany. Therefore, Health care = Death camps. Well that escalated fast.

 

"Until they realize its all a big con...and China is more to the right than Kansas (In most ways...except abortion).."

 

Agreed. I never thought the Communist style of government was good, but I did underrate the scale and significance of its evil. I used to think Communism was a preoccupation of Cold War America, and had little relevance to the world today. I didn’t appreciate the political, cultural, intellectual and spiritual rape that Communism inflicts on society, until having lived a few years in China.

 

"Or is in the right wing, conservative intolerant type that is here to experience the fascist, authoritarian utopia that this country really is.  A society that, unlike home, they have an advantage living in, mostly because they are white."

 

No. Open-minded people are open to experiences. Right wing, conservative, intolerant types are not liable to deliberately expand their boundaries in order to test the preconceptions they have.

 

Speaking of judgmental, intolerant types: China is blissfully free of “progressives”. For all their ideological bullshit about how non-Western cultures are wonderful, they sure tend not to live in them. Hurrah. : D

 

“Or is it just a bunch of horny guys, old and young, that have a greatly enhanced chance at nailing younger hot Chinese girls based solely on them being foreigners, so they tolerate all the shit that goes down here in between conquests?”

 

That’s certainly a factor. I’ve met a few skeevy expats who hang out in expat bars and talk about their conquests of gullible teenage girls. Fortunately I almost never go to bars. I don’t have any “conquests” to speak of, but I’ve had relationships with a few very attractive Chinese women.

 

SUMMARY

 

People who come to China are mostly independent, open-minded types. Some are curious. Some are people who don’t have good opportunities back home. A few years in China will make most people (like me) a good deal more cynical about politics and human nature.

 

While I now have a job I quite like and an abundance of leisure time, I also think the availability of attractive women is a big draw card. Without Chinese women, I don’t think China would amount to much in anyone’s opinion.

 

RandomGuy:

Cynical and angry, there are days when I'm like Trevor from GTA V, one wrong stare, one wrong halou followed by giggles and I make you eat the ground. Although usually, I feel much better for several months after getting really mad at someone, it's the accumulation and release of all the little 'so China' things that happen on a daily basis. Just pray that you are not the one who has to take all my frustration accumulated for the past 2 years into my fist.

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@random guy, so true, I feel the same, maybe it's time to go home...??? It would have been probably a way easier, if I hadn't had a Chinese g/f.

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I had no political agenda. I was just bored with Western culture and wanted to experience something new... that's what I got, and it didn't hurt to have an extra boost with the ladies! 

 

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I was surprised to meet a lot of ultra conservatives. 

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yes...hence my post.

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My point of this post was to highlight what I perceive to be a high percentage of highly conservative ideological right wing expats in China.

Sexual considerations aside...why does China attract this segment of society when this is a so called communist country.

I suggest it's because these people at home feel insecure because of multi cultural competition, for ideas, culture, jobs, and ultimately government..

China presents the opportunity to have the same advantage white folks 40 years ago had...unjustifyably, based not on the content of their character, but the color of their skin.

 

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Be treated special, like a god. Yep

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Be treated like a god or like a freak, it's a matter of perspective.

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I fall under the type who wants to quickly pay off 60k in college loans, build a future doing what I love (teaching, video production, photography, and magazine design), then GTFO so I can fall into a niche entrepreneur lifestyle when I move back to the U.S.

It's much faster to make money here than back home in the states if you know the market.

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An A,B or C expat "now" moves to China. Because China attracts top talent.

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I like China because it is so capitalistic. They have the same laws as in any western country but life is easier because they don't get enforced unless you pissed off the power people. I get to celebrate most holidays twice. I can actually get a job easier in China than in Canada ( my home country). The corporations will rip you off in North America too if they can. The cost of living in China is cheaper than in the west. The girls seem to be willing to experiment despite the fact that everyone claim to be "good" (they do that in the west to because they are good "Christians". ) I prefer to live in China now because I have the option of going home whenever I want. China is a big country with lots to see and do.

I'm a "C" guy

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