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Q: Where have Americans , Brits , Aussies ....etc. gone? lol

Initially I thought it was my OS upgrade that was causing these posting errors but it looked like it has to do with internet traffic and speed. When the speed was crawling snail, I notice, that was when these double, triple postings appeared. When I delete one of them this time all others were deleted.

 

Anyway, the original question was about this propaganda like video. No foreigners from developed countries were in it. Better post it now lest the whole post blanks out.

http://v.mp.uc.cn/video.html?uc_param_str=frdnsnpfvecpntnwprdssskt#!wm_aid=caaab842203c466c8714d248eef15aea!!wm_id=f3f3543e4a154c88b8e1c093d7781586&pagetype=share&btifl=10016

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Oh the question, China is a sad country. They go through great efforts to try and make themselves appear to be better than the rest of the world. But their people still leave in droves.

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Spot on. Chi-xit. Stick this up their hubris ass. lol

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Where have we gone? I think it relates to the new visa policy, a lot of foreigners will probably take a year break or longer from China and prepare their doc's and authentication stuff, than later return. Maybe.. I have a hand full of friends who have said they've had enough of living or working here, even tired of being married here, so many are leaving due to these reasons.

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Time to look for greenier pasture and head that way. China's karmic payback is due, capitals be it foreign or local are fleeing, the economy is geared toward greedy speculation, basically everyone is a psychotic, soul-less money grabber. 30+ Gb of nude photos of university girls who sell their bodies for an iPhone or brandname handbag on the market, just university girls!!!  Why hang around if you find better pasture?

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posting to restore original video link, see OP

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Seems to be a big with the website at the moment. Both your double questions are still showing unanswered...yet both have the same answers...

earthizen:

Yeah, I noticed that too.  Admin fixed that I think, only the original post and this one left now. I am looking into this guy at the moment,  Jeremy Corbyn, head of Labor Party in UK.  He has a very strong Mao smell. The guy is inciting the poor to directly grab the properties of the rich.

 

In a civilised society, if you are poor and consider your social security payments dismal you take that up with the government, you can also give your vote to the political party that fights for more social benefits such as the labor party. In other words, it is the government's responsibility to help you out. 

 

But this guy is telling the poor to bypass the law, and use violence to settle their grievances. He does not state using violence clearly but his theme is clear. This is exactly what Mao does with the poor of his days, primarily the nongs (peasants), successfully winning their support.  

 

This Corbyn guy smells Mao, of course he is popular among the poor, especially the young ones who want to take the short cut to the gold vault. Hey, live in Kensington (which is also the area where those corrupted to the hilt dalu low lives snap up properties) for nothing, no need to work your ass off in some supermarket! The next thing this guy proposes would be another cultural revolution, this time in UK.

 

This guy is sleazy. He is a communist when you take away his facade. UK has enough problems on its plate already, refugees, terrorist attacks, Brexit......etc.  This guy is bad news, he worsens the already violent environment.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/jeremy-corbyn-empty-homes-owned-rich-should-requisitioned-grenfell/

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@earthizen.

 

Jeremy Corbyn is certainly an old style British socialist, but he's not like Mao Zedong in any way. Perhaps this is a cultural thing, but I have grown up in a family which has a close relationship to the NZ Labour party and the old guys who were friends of my grandfather, including my grandfather himself, were and seemingly still are democratic socialists.

 

Maybe he's naive and wrong to believe what he believes, but he's no potential mass murderer and inciter of jealous peasants. The UK as well as the rest of the west is currently on the backend of 30 years of neoliberal policies which have essentially privatized all of the state assets for pennies on the dollar to privateers who've denuded them of any value whatsoever.

 

Why do you think so many schools in the west are prepared to accept people into their universities at post graduate level when their reading ages are often demonstrated to be around the level of a 12 to 14 year old native speaker? Germany sure aren't doing that because Germany didn't commercialize their education system. What's this dumbing down from television everyone's talking about? State run television is being run according to market imperatives. The BBC is faring ok, but if you look at NZ and Australia's state run networks you'll feel like they're shamelessly chasing the lowest common denominator.

 

This is why young people are pissed off. We spend huge sums getting degrees which are effectively highly expensive guild entry certificates to get into jobs which twenty or so years ago a school leaver with no training could take up and master within 3 weeks.

 

I'm no extremist and I've always had a tendency towards admiring ordoliberalist organizational structures with the view that any surplus can be reinvested into looking after the welfare of the citizens. In Germany this is considered the view of the political right, but in the anglosphere, thanks to neoliberalism, it's getting to the point where a politician could start to argue that the police force ought to be privatized.

 

In fact, part of the reason the terror attack didn't lead British voters into the arms of a "strong and stable" Tory government was the knowledge that during Theresa May's tenure as Home Secretary, she imposed cuts upon the police force which undermined their ability to screen people on terrorist watchlists.

 

I don't mean to quibble with you because I really enjoy reading your dissections of the culture in China, but in the case of Corbyn, you're right in following the socialist logic to its conclusions in the event of socialist extremists taking over the party, but Jeremy Corbyn is not an extremist, really.

 

The Daily Mail story has taken his statement out of context, but let me try to justify the sentiment regardless. It's reported that one in 7 homes in Sydney is empty. A similar figure is likely to be the case in Vancouver, as is Melbourne and Auckland and plenty of other places all over the world. I'm willing to bet that Russian kleptocratic oligarchs own plenty of flats around London and the rest of Britain too. Just supposing this property was requisitioned and no compensation was given to the Chinese or Russian absentee owners, would you really jump up and down about it?

 

The properties were purchased with black money, so what's wrong with the equivalent methodology of blackness being used to occupy it, really? I can't say I'd shed a lot of tears for such people in the event of them getting what to me sounds like natural justice, but just to be clear, Jeremy Corbyn didn't advocate this.

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@loudvillager  'Just supposing this property was requisitioned and no compensation was given to the Chinese or Russian absentee owners, would you really jump up and down about it?'

 

Glad you brought this up as I was pondering about it yesterday. The answer is yes. However, this has to be done within the legal framework, otherwise this would destroy one foundation piece of the common law --- not guilty until proven (ie solid evidence). This makes it exceedingly difficult to repossess those properties as it is very difficult to prove the money is black money, despite the fact it is no secret. Not only corruption monies from china are behind the buying of these properties, black monies from the middle east, saudi arabia....etc are there.

 

It is difficult but not impossible to confiscate those properties. Remember Bo Xi Lai, the guy's whose wife murdered a Brit, who is also Xi's number one contender for the throne (now supposedly in jail)?  Last I heard is that his french villa is being auctioned as he is proven guilty of corruption.  There must be state prosecutors in UK who can sue the owners of those black money purchased properties. 

 

Let's just say it is done successfully, why should the poor get to live in Kensington's 'palaces'?  What did they do to earn it? Nothing.  This is why the properties should be sold again publicly, to those who can afford it. The money collected goes to the poor via the government social security system.

 

This I bet any senior administrator in the british administration knows, as well as Corbyn. The fact that he still proposes grabbing those luxury houses and letting the poor live there indicates he is a Mao kind of communist, garnering support from the poor, luring them with 'my way is the short cut to your new address in Kensington'. This is why I think he is sleazy. No way can the head of the Labor Party make a fundamental error in something so simple a high school kid can understand.

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cont'd Digging a bit further I found the below on Corbyn, the info tallies with my take on this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)

 

Following a leadership election, Jeremy Corbyn was announced as the new party leader on 12 September 2015. Corbyn, then a member of the Socialist Campaign Group and a fixture of the party's hard left,[96] was considered little more than a fringe hopeful when the contest began....  

 

Historically within the party, differentiation was made between the "soft left" and the "hard left", with the former embracing more moderately social democratic views while the hard left subscribed to a strongly socialist, even Marxist, ideology.[133][134] Members on the hard left were often disparaged as the "loony left", particularly in the popular media....

 

The term "hard left" was sometimes used in the 1980s to describe Trotskyist groups such as the Militant tendency, Socialist Organiser and Socialist Action.

 

In more recent times, Members of Parliament in the Socialist Campaign Group and the Labour Representation Committee are seen as constituting a hard left in contrast to a soft left represented by organisations such as Compass and the magazine Tribune.[137]

 

This hard-left Corbyn is a communist to the bone, with violence in his mind.  He is bad news.

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I love that Russian  girl, I'd like to get at those boobs

earthizen:

haha, that is an honest guy, the shorter one, the dancer right? Agree, she has sizeable boobs. The girl says she plans to go to America after a few years in china!  I actually bump into two girls like that from Russia earlier this year, both are dancers / yoga teachers. It does look like there is a large influx of poor Russians into this region. Oh, nearly forgot, one more, about the same time. This one doesn't has the looks and her husband comes but obviously can't make it out, also has two kids, 4-5. The entire family has gone back to their country. As long as they aren't thieves and hookers, or terrorists, work honestly and hard, I don't have problems with them.

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Prostitution is honest work and they do work hard, I don't mind them the least. 

 

I'd try many times to give her a visa baby. 

 

 

(Don't tell the wife)

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Viki, very uncomfortable coming from you but if you're speaking for yourself, i'll watch

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I should be clearer with hookers, there are two types of hookers in my book. The first kind refers to the ones who do not hide their occupation thus there is no deceit. I have a bit of problems with these (but not much) because most of these are taking short cuts to the gold vault, too weak will to study and work hard for what in their eyes is humiliating pay. Vanity in short. Their excuses typically include coming from a poor family. I don't buy that, because plenty of others who are just as physically attractive and poor pay for their financial success through formal education or self-studying. They are greedy, lazy people without self-discipline asking for immediate rewards, period. 

 

The second type is the deceitful ones. They don't call themselves hookers but their mentality and behaviors are one and the same. If you ask them, 'do you love your bf/husband?' The ones with better acting skills would say yes without even one blink. These are the con girls you find everywhere in mainland china. The success of these dishonest ones lies in how good they can cover their lies and how shrewd their manipulation of their bf/husband's psyche and libido is. This kind I definitely have problems with. They probably would make excellent spies but definitely not friend/gf/wife material, not even with boobs the size of water melons.  lol

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You forgot the third type  - the ones who have been kidnapped and are forced to work in that job or be beaten or killed by their pimps.

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'(Don't tell the wife)'

 

lol  OK.  I hope she doesn't visit ecc or know your username.

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earthizen:

'You forgot the third type  - the ones who have been kidnapped and are forced...'

 

I call these sex slaves, not hookers who have free will, big difference. 

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Exactly Earthi: Sex slaves are not prostitutes. And I read some articles about 'sex slaves' in the states, they always seem to have opportunities to call the police, or justr plain leave. That term is over used (I'm not saying all are the same

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Oh the question, China is a sad country. They go through great efforts to try and make themselves appear to be better than the rest of the world. But their people still leave in droves.

earthizen:

Spot on. Chi-xit. Stick this up their hubris ass. lol

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no Kiwis

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Yeah, I was thinking about that too. 

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@Rob. Seriously, man. Some days I think it would be better to be on minimum wage or even unemployed in a place like Palmerston North than on 18,000 in some polluted shit hole filled with peasants, wondering if the admin people are going to fuck up the salary payment or forget to pay the bond on the tenancy agreement and suddenly give it to you six months down the track, or to try to put the responsibility of paying your airfare onto some third party who then claims no obligation to pay it either. The list of pitfalls is endless.

 

Why anyone brought their business operation and intellectual property over here en masse makes me really worried about the cognitive functions of the average businessman. With one of the more successful ones tweeting from the oval office on a daily basis only compounds this worry.

 

I hope Shenzhen's not too tough for you, mate. I like it down there, but the living costs are astronomical.

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They are gone to better shores. People got the message that China really doesn't welcome them and only want to use them. So today most of the foreigners pouring in are from Russia or Africa or other places far worse off than China, very few new faces from the Anglo countries or Western Europe. At least in my city beside the few long term 'Westerners' it's mostly people from 'less developed' countries coming in today.

earthizen:

Aye, the exodus of expats from developed countries is on. The influx of workers from less developed ones, from Africa, the ex-Soviet ones is also obvious. I wonder why they don't show up earlier, like a decade ago? Visa issues, CCP making it easier for them these days? 

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I guess Westerners first came for the third world experience and some to make big early bucks. Africans and Russians already have the 'developing world' experience back home so they come here expecting higher wages and to be overall better off than in their home country, hence why they come now that wages, while still being crap by Western standards, are great by Russia and Africa standards. Same reason they move to Europe or the US.

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Aye, I notice most of them have not gone to university and received higher education, for those from ex-Soviet countries, some of which you can put on those TV entertainment / competitive quiz because nobody ever heard of (e.g. the Baltic countries) have an ingrained anti-West (the developed countries) mindset. Their communist argument basically goes like this --- you did it it first.

 

You know, the first time I heard this argument is from two brothers, four and five. The elder one is the bully every time and the younger one is the amicable one. 

 

One time I see with my own eyes he slaps his younger brother and as usual he start crying and put up a mild fight. Mom comes along and stare at the elder one. Without a moment's hesitation he points his finger at his brother, starts repeating this --- he did it first. Not even one blink of the eyes.

 

It is soooooo amusing. I also learn a lesson with human nature on the spot. Yeah, let's go back in time, and find out who did it first.......

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economy going downhill, companies closing or can't afford expats.

visa regulations are retarded

china is not very friendly for new comers in the whole

 

so pick what you like, there are tons of reasons why people leave and don't come back.

The big money is usually not in china anymore for many expats.

To be honest, if my company would send me somewhere else, I probably would be happy, even if its vietnam or so

loudvillager:

It's interesting, isn't it? I know that most training schools will charge their students around 200 rmb per class with a maximum of ten students in attendance, but regardless of how many students, the teacher taking the class will only receive a flat payment, usually of around 120 to 180 rmb per one hour class.

 

They have a massive corporate hierarchy comprised of people whose work is essentially superfluous and only there to make those up the chain feel important.

 

Many of these high ups are paid salaries of around 60,000 to 80,000 per month and almost all of them have a background in commission only sales, with no education in teaching, management or finance.

 

Yet so many of these places can't afford to pay a teacher the necessary amount to entice them to come over.

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it is not that they can't afford to pay a teacher, they just don't want and there are still enough that work for less than 10k

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Many of them can't get teachers. I have Chinese friends telling me that the training school they go to has something like 2 or 3 men over the age of 65 who're on some kind of visa where they have to go to Macau every two months or so. I've a Filipina friend who was working at this one place for 5 years and she was paid the same 100 yuan per class. She quit and they couldn't replace her, so they just told the students that there were no foreign teachers available and that due to the scarcity they'd be increasing their prices for lessons with the foreign teacher.

 

They could have made more money on volume by paying the teacher more out of that massive load of money they extract from merely providing a classroom and a whiteboard, but I'm not able to understand their thinking because I'm not Chinese and it's Chinese people who're so good at business.

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Yes, training centers are definitely struggling to find FTs these days, I'm into HR myself so I know it. Natives have become scarce as a rainbow unicorn outside tier-1, let alone certified teachers.

 

It really is a China problem because we have clients in HK, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam and they have no problems whatsoever finding certified natives to work there.

 

People around the world eventually got the message that China is crap and the supply of willing foreigners (teachers or else) coming here is thinning by the day.

 

The new visa rules aren't helping, China basically acts as if they were a prized destination and had an oversupply of foreigners lining up to come here, as if they could be picky, couldn't be further from the truth, the government is so out of touch with reality it's laughable.

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We're hiding and making money.
Going public or the professional route (which is public) is a no-go in this volatile environment.
They change their mood daily, much like a bipolar kid.
Starting one day with,
"I love Americans, you had a good idea, you always get the job done responsibly, you're so kind"'...and the next day with,
"why do you want war, filthy American?! That sea is ours! Get out! You're bad! I'm stealing your idea! We don't need you here!"

Now that I've transitioned into freelance work, I don't have to accept work from these psychos.
I move quickly in broad daylight and sit comfortably alone or with my wife.
There's no interaction with the locals beyond business and pleasure.
To move unseen, make money, make connections, and move on is the best route.

earthizen:

'There's no interaction with the locals beyond business and pleasure.To move unseen, make money, make connections, and move on is the best route.'

 

This is what the most intelligent people I have the honor to be friends with, who also have unquestionable integrity do all these years --- stay low, make money, avoid uneducated psychos (damaged products) like a plague, and enjoy life to the hilt.

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Indeed.
There is happiness and success to be found everywhere with the right 'feng shui'. Of course, it all comes down to how deal with thereality we live in.

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