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Q: Why are so many English people that I meet angry at their life in China? EDITED.
EDITED to change british to english, apologies to all scots and welsh. i wrongly use the term britain and endland interchangeably
I am in no way taring all english with the same brush. if im on the subway, always english complaining about how much they dislike china and chinese culture and chinese people while they stand right next to them. in a bar, always english complaining about the same things. at work, always the same.
perhaps i meet them on off days, but they must never have any good ones. what is it about china that drives them mad? england is no rose garden either, it took me over a month to get a tax number in london, a month, for a tax number, bad weather, bad food, bad service and yet foreigners in england dont complain about english people as much as english complain about everyone else.
so i pose the question: is it really china or just english people, i think its english people.
Complaining is a British pastime. We learn it from our parents.
Thats why we have one of the best democratic systems in the world 
itsameimamario:
Your in the top bunch, but no where near the the top.http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
I think you must attract the wrong type of Brits. You need to learn to avoid the ones wearing Union Flag shorts as they are the worst. Maybe it's the "wanker" tattooed on your forehead that attracts them?
Hotwater:
Admittedly at first, yes. But before I hit the reply button I looked at myself in the mirror and realized I wasn't the sort of Brit you were referring to (neither did I have a tattoo on my forehead) so left my reply exactly as first written.
Why? Because you've obviously got something against Brits. I've met moaning arseholes from all developed countries & they all have one thing in common. They should sod off home to where they came from! 
There are a number of, but not all, Brits that will complain about anything. There are Brits in Spain who only associate with other Brits and go to the British pub and the British restaurant. Equally there are Brits that actually like traveling, meeting new people and seeing new places. I have meet a lot of other people, particularly Americans, who make it very clear they do not like being outside their comfort zone but love to tell people how many different places they have traveled to. There are a number of Brits like myself who may complain about what they see wrong but accept this is a different country, different customs and different people and to a large degree actually enjoy being somewhere different to England.
I've heard from others that British often have an air of superiority in them left over from the good ole' days. I couldn't say for sure since I generally don't meet too many of them though.
silverbutton1:
Agree. Of the many males from England that I have met in my travels over the years most had a demeanor of "Im better than you because I'm English". And boy do they just love to criticize, belittle, joke about the "damn yanks". Its like a negative karma pastime for them, I tell ya. Especially when drunk. Funny thing is, I hardly ever heard of instances where a group of Americans at a bar would drone on and onnegatively about Brits. Conclusion... Folks from UK have an inferiority complex, JMO.
I am in no way taring all brits with the same brush
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i think its british people.
I see that for most nationalities, when given the choice: hanging out with people of their countries and building a little bubble for themselves. I have yet to see a nationality for whom it's not true. When I was in my early 20's, I was revolted by that. I'm a bit of cranky loner, and don't feel bad about it. Now... I don't care much.
itsameimamario:
It doesn't concen me whom they hang out with, what is alarming is the absolute lack of respect from every brit I've met in china towards china and the chinese.
ambivalentmace:
respect has to earned, its not a freebie like most idealistic young skulls of mush think it is.
DrMonkey:
@mario I don't think it's an exclusively British thing, many expat moans in non-diplomatic ways when in China for a while : air pollution, crowds, traffic wtf, all those kind of things. You noticed it was coming less often from other nationality, or the expats you meet are mainly Brits ?
itsameimamario:
@ambivalent: your right respect is earned and disrespect is handed out freely. @drmonkey: honestly, i find its british people complain about china more, while i dont have official figures on the breakdown i would say i meet more british than any other single nationality, but not by a large enough margin for anything other than what im describing to be noticeable than by....i dont have an explanation for this part.
DrMonkey:
If you meet Brits the most often, and if expats tends to complain about China, then it fits your observation equally well. I honestly believe that expats complains in general, not a nationality thing. China is challenging.
itsameimamario:
I agree, china is quite challenging. Most people do moan, my question is why do english people moan so much, its greater than moaning, its more akin to repressed anger that will get them into trouble i suspect
A serious question for the OP.
When you were in Britain (going to school?) were the majority of your friends Chinese? Did you ever have a whine and a moan about England?
For some here in China, it may be the same but your parochial butt-hurt mentality never noticed the correlation.
itsameimamario:
i didnt go to school in britain, and no, for my time there i didnt moan(i kept it to myself, like your supposed to). the majority of my friends in britain would have been british, they are very much like the chinese, totally normal up until you tell them how shit the british empire was, then they start acting like chinese people concerning japan. You should see what happens when i tell them their language is 1/3 french. That really sets em off. Your not one of them by any chance?
iWolf:
No I am not British but I did work there for two years.
Why would anyone care that english uses borrowed words from several languages? All languages borrow from others, even Chinese. Yes, it is true. (I can hear you saying no, no, no, we have 5000 years of history) Just take the most simple example: every person when talking on the phone says "bye bye". Who cares? Nobody
And I understand the difficulties in getting a tax file number. I am surprised that a Chinese person could get a work permit.
On closer examination of your whine, oops, I mean question, I realized that I should congratulate you. You trolled and caught me. Kudos.
Perhaps next time go for something with a little less butt-hurt but keep up the good work and rest assured that your womao is in the mail.
Hotwater:
You obviously only spent time down in London mate! You'll find that a lot of us take no pride in the days of rape & pillage.
You our also need to get your facts right about the true origins of "English". Yes, there is some French/Norman there but also Anglo-Saxon (as in wanker, recognise the term?) and also Scandinavian. You've also then got the Celtic languages of Welsh, Gallic & Gaelic. Not much French in any of them. I think you're confusing "British" with Southern English.
iWolf:
What do you reckon the chance of a Chinese person with a computer game name has of getting a work permit for UK?
ScotsAlan:
Its not England Iwolf. Its the UNITED Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
iWolf:
Yeah, yeah, but that is too much to say or type. No one ain't got no time for that!!!... tomayto, tomato, potato, potarto
itsameimamario:
@hotwater: which fact that i stated about english to you find to be incorrect? That it has a vocabulary 1/3 wholesale ripped from french? Thats the only fact i mentioned about the english language so that must be it right?
dokken:
English is a Germanic language heavily influenced by French. French has an incredible number of words of english origin. Any UK historian will openly say this. Its no secret. But will historians from whatever ur shithole country is, openly admit that the culture that influenced development and history the most was the Anglo Saxon culture. Hence ur whiney butchy inferiority complex with brits
itsameimamario:
@dokken:So any body who questions why brits are angry in china is automatically suffering from an inferiority complex? What would you say the brits who are angry at chinese are? What would you call yourself? Being unable to take someone elses opinion because its about your nation, this is also a unique british trait i find. Ability to dish it out in vast quantities but then get upset when its handed back to em. Edit to add: the culture that has had the most influence on the world is greece, hands down, no doubt about it. So put that in your pipe and good day to you sir! Hahaha
dokken:
I like China mostly and don't like people who blindly criticize it. On this forum myself and another couple of Brits have been vocal about the tedious one sided bile people post about China. You will probably dispute that due to your own bias. Therefore you are no different from these posters.
Ancient greeks rocked I ll give you that. Birthplace of western civilisation. Uk was the birthplace of modern civilisation. Your country was the birthplace of crapping in a pot and being poor.
Now go back to your mud hut and stop writing In the Queen's language. Shove that up your mother's he haw.
sorrel:
I regularly give a class to post-grads on the words from around the world that were adopted into English.
As they encountered new ideas and things, English absorbed what was needed and even adapted it.
As adoption of words is also connected with historical events, this also leads to a view of the history of the UK.
Although now i have an image of the English sneaking into France and stealing words 
I have worked with people from many countries and by and large they guys are discreet if they have issues with local Chinese people.
Personally i find the odd complaint improves things in whatever country, rather than putting up and shutting up in the vain hope that things will improve on their own by a miracle.
Someone blows cigarette smoke in my face?
I'm not going to take that from anyone.
Stinky tofu?
my face betrayed my horror at the flavour before i could get words out: my local friends took that in good humour, as they knew i would not refuse to try it.
Before someone trundles out the old 'but you are a guest in China' chestnut,
If I receive treatment in any country, that i would not expect a 'guest' to tolerate, i will complain: you can not treat someone in a certain way if you won't tolerate it yourself.
I don't know any Chinese person who would tolerate their hair being groped by random strangers, so am i expected to remain silent?
itsameimamario:
@dokken: What do they teach you in Britain? Birthplace of the modern world? Hahaha. How would you define the modern world? Technological?
1) transistors: american, not english. 2) the car: germany, not england. 3) radio: germany, long distance radio: italy. 4)the airplane: american. 5)television: the french. Britain has telephones and trains. While all very nice i find the brits are the same as the chinese when it comes to claiming who invented what
Govenrment: democracy is greek. Communism is german, these two systems have defined the modern world, none of which are british.
iWolf:
Sorry Super Mario but your argument is absurd. Who invented what first? Seriously??
It appears that you are one step away from suggesting that we have Complaint Police patrolling websites, streets and subways. Echos of 1984?
If you really want to live in a place where everyone is happy, there is abundant food, zero crime, no unemployment, at least 2 hours of electricity per day and no one complains about anything, head over to North Korea just for kicks.
Heads up, everyone from every country complains. Yes, even chinese people and maybe more than most. It is called VENTING and is a normal healthy process. Once you get something off your chest then you can move on with your life.
I would suggest that you hear Brits whinge more because you spent some time there and are more selective in hearing them over others.
Being Chinese, although your English is quite good, you may not even recognise the irony, scarcasm, self deprecation and subtle humour in these remarks. This would be normal and not a critisism of you. You are simply not a native speaker regardless of how well you speak the language, there are some things that you will never get. It is the same for us with the Chinese languages. It is what it is.
itsameimamario:
@iwolf: my argument about inventions was in response to dokkens insistence that britain invented the modern world, if you can't make the connection between the modern world and a list of modern inventions that make the modern world possible then i cant help you with that, whats absurd is you making retarded acusations about me suggesting we have anything akin to 1984.
Heads up, if you read my question and have the mental faculty to understand it then you would realise I didnt ask about other countries, i originally asked about britain and later refined to england due to my ignorance. What makes you think I'm Chinese? Because god forbid, a white person would not sully the good reputation of the english? Hahahaha
iWolf:
Fair comment Mario.
Just to let you know, you don't get your wumao in the mail if you aren't chinese. And secondly, it is clear that you have a language understanding issue. Are you a teacher?
itsameimamario:
@iwolf: hahahaha, wumao, good one! Especially considering this is about english people, not chinese people. But i like how you made the connection between someone asking questions about england to an employee of the the chinese communist party.
perhaps i wouldnt have a problem understanding if you could communicate better
itsameimamario:
Genuinely not meaning to be rude or push your buttons here, this is just my opinion based on my observations, It matters little if we agree with one another, i dislike the attitude displayed by many english people in china, you being english, take offence with that.
dokken:
Your argument that some of the key inventions of the 20th century were invented n other countries is a bit simplistic. British enlightenment, being the first country to industrialize, drove everything. For instance the car definitely had its roots in british technology. As do most things. The U.S is just an offshoot of the U.K. the U.K itself Germanic-Nordic itself. Do you think the U.S would have become the most powerful country in the world if your country had invaded it. No instead of the pentagon, a child would be crapping by the side of the road where the pentagon stands right now, if your country had colonized it. That's if they would even have a road. I do take it as a source of pride that our little island played a massive part, along with but more so than other european cultures in shaping the world into a more advanced better place than if other countries had become predominant. You don't like the U.K fine, but I think you would find it hard to convince any objective person that the U.K industrial, moral scientific influence in history has been far greater than it's size.
BTW The T.V was an American invention though the first working TV was made by John Logie Baird.
Also the british empire rocked.
For future reference, there is a difference between your and you're. Other British inventions included, the steam engine, the internet, light bulbs, jet engine, forensic science, needles, bicycles, fertiliser, telecommunications, carbon fibre, ATMs, steamships. just to add a few more to your list. you seemed to miss those out. what did your country make again?
iWolf:
@Wumario
Don't sweat it. This is not real and a bit of a laugh. Treat it as such. I have no buttons that you could push.
itsameimamario:
@dokken: the internet is american. the www. part is english. The tv is french. The us started as an english colony sure, but then large scale imigration changed It. Steam engines are over 2000 years old...is britain that old? They were invented by the greeks. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_engine light bulbs and jet engines are yours though. Congrats.
needle is irish, the syringe is french.
http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/people/charles-pravaz.html
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Gabriel_Pravaz
The bikes not british either:
http://www.whoinventedit.net/who-invented-the-bicycle.html
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_bicycle
Fertilizer: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_fertilizer . http://www.tandontech.net/fertilisers.html .
telecommunications: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_telecommunication .
carbon fibre: american: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_(fiber)
Atm is american also, im not eveing giving links for em anymore. No doubt about england being masters of steam though. But seriously, what do they really teach you in english schools? Your even worse than the chinese. Hahahaha EDIT: this english enlightenment you speak of was actually a pan european movement, not a unique english attribute. My god man, im embarrassed for you.
dokken:
Yeah I had mistakenly thought Roger Bacon was British. The first person to synthesise carbon fibre was indeed amenrican. the first country to realise its potential use, was the U.K http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/features/carbon-fibre-how-we-failed-to-reap-rewards/103452.article
the first telegraph, hence telecommunications was created by british scientists. says so in your link. it's pathetic you need to try to skew the facts to try to denigrate the u.k because you have some sort of hatred/jealously. the othe inventions i mentioned are british (perhaps some debate involved). I wouldnt have thought americans would claim the internet though they were instrumental in its development.
Again you said tv is french. First transmitted images was by john logie baird. Farnsworth was responsible for elctronic transmission of images.
I d debate more with you. it was fun. I m guessing you got a chip on your shoulder because you have some kind of immigrant to a rich country identity problem.
itsameimamario:
What does roger bacon have to do with anything? Are you attributing englands scientific achievements in the 19 and 20th centuries to a man born in england in the 13th century Who made no known advancements in any field or any known practical inventions, with no evidence that he contributed anything important to science.
perhaps you dont understand the word telecommunications if you think the first instance was the telegraph, and thats not british either. http://inventors.about.com/od/tstartinventions/a/telegraph.htm . http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraph
the other inventions you mentioned are not British, i have provided evidence of such while your reply is "derp, they are british, derp...la la la la" you are getting roasted alive here man. Hahahahaha.
as for the internet: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet . http://www.answers.com/Q/Who_invented_the_internet
in the space of one reply i have gotten you to go from definitely british to ok, maybe some debate is involved. FACTS are your friend. seriously man, dont be so chinese on the issue. I cant believe they teach you all this stuff in school. Hahahaha. Do you feel stupid for being lied to , possibly even stupider for perpetuating said lies in the face of concrete evidence to the contrary? you're right, it is fun to correct you, i mean debate you.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_television
this is just so embarrassing for you man. You have an internet connection....whats wrong with you? Hahahahahahahahaha.
whats pathetic is your brainwashing kicking in "derp derp derp, britain britain britain!" You are so similar to chinese people. Hahahaha
dokken:
I don't have time to debate a moron. These are uk inventions http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_inventions_and_discoveries. Don't trust this moron. If you denied that Chinese people invented gunpowder they'd be irritated. Saying that the French invented tv(????) shows the inaccuracy of your fact gathering. The French have invented lots but what the hell did they have to with to. A British and American worked on it separately. The American idea was true genius.
Notice that he's not able to deny that the uk has been a central contributing power to world development, technological and moral. Also not denied that whatever country you are originally from has been central to the development of hole in the ground toilets. Hah burn
itsameimamario:
Dokken man, did you even read the link you gave me? Let me give you an little taste "Many of the ten inventions listed above can not be claimed simply by British inventors" if you click on the links provided in your liink it will give you the actual inventors. You are right, you cant debate with me because you have lost and now resort to name calling to deflect. WIth regards to the television, my apologies, it ws a russian guy who read a paper in french in france during the worlds fair in paris on the 25th august 1900, by the name of constantin perskyi.
no need to get angry man. I never insinuated that the uk was not a driving force behind the modern world, im simply stating it was not the only one nor was it greatest. As regards to morality, i didnt realise that the catholic church was british as i thought they would have been the largest influence on morality in the world, perhaps you mean Protestants, but that started in germany right? I would say EUROPE made the modern world, to which Britain contributed, not britain is the best and invented everything and influenced everything. I know that might hurt your ego after years of "britain britain britain britain, wow, britain" in the class room. seriously dont get angry for living in a bubble, china and england are little cry baby brothers in arms! Hahahahaha
Complaining is a British pastime. We learn it from our parents.
Thats why we have one of the best democratic systems in the world
itsameimamario:
Your in the top bunch, but no where near the the top.http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
as a half-british/dutch dual citizen, i do tend to complain about things often. mostly online, but occasionally when meeting other foreigners, and to locals only when asked a direct question in a 1-to-1 conversation. i don't think it's an air of superiority that's to blame.
what i think is the cause, is the British definition of humour. brits can be really funny if you know what to expect; humour laced with irony, farce, hypocrisy, exaggeration, and mocking the social systems that keep people down. you may even spot a few as i write this. it has helped improve british society. naturally, other cultures have other types of humour, and other ways to effect social improvement (except perhaps China).
unfortunately, brits assume their humour to be as universal as human decency, but it is not. neither are in fact.
so, in our british minds, we're convinced that we're being hilariously witty and sociable, but to outsiders we just look stuffy and intolerant.
also, as a scotsman, dour wit is even worse, with a heavy emphasis on cynicism. even Englishmen find our humour too raw to digest.
coineineagh:
conversely, Dutch may complain less because Dutch humour is just crap. a holdover from our Reformed history, zealous Dutch Christians viewed abundant laughter as a sin and avoided it to stay pious. Dutch won't try to be witty by complaining, and the more business-minded Dutch will listen but not share their experienves. Netherlands is a transport&knowledge economy now, so we know information can be of value, and sharing it may cteate competition.
Yes of course its not fair to paint people with the same brush but to totally discount what the OP is saying is also unfair. Me personally? I love Brits and ive always gotten on well with them. But to say the idea that Brits complain a lot and have an air of superiority of them is totally unfounded also seems to go too far.
You never hear that about Aussies. Just saying the OP isnt making a random comment.
itsameimamario:
It's ok to call the chinese on their bullshit, but not the brits. The sooner we all understand this the better
Well... IF I had to list the biggest complainers in China it is usually the English (I am NOT going to British because the Scots and Irish don't complain quite as much)... and then usually the Americans.
But who cares right? It is not like anyone is forcing you to hang out with those types and nobody is forcing them to stay in China. The big cry babies don't last long.
ScotsAlan:
Well... the Americans complain the loudest. They compliment loudest too. In short... they are the loudest.
I complain in my house online.
In public I'm like "oh, is that how you do things here? That's interesting..."
Big smile
itsameimamario:
As it should be done, manners i believe its called and congrats on having them.
I don't really get the criticism about the UK having bad weather. What choice do Brits get in determining the weather. We openly tell other countries its bad before they come. Customer service in UK is better than in the rest if Europe. Granted its not as good as north america. They deserve full respect for getting minimum wage workers to smile. But its no better or worse than other Anglophile countries such as oz.
sorrel:
most of the Brits i know will acknowledge how poor 'traditional' British food is.
However, there is such a variety of food in Britain: Italian, Indian, Chinese, French, Spanish...... it is impossible to make a complaint unless you are only eating 'traditional' British food
As much as i like British people and am particularly fond of their peculiar wit [always crack me up] Brits are masters of one liners. From an early age a Brit will answer a question with a pun, sarcasm or great imagery with ease and perfect clarity.
Now, with that said, I will express my honest unbiased opinion now. so true! Brits are the biggest whiners in china, by far. They complain about everything Chinese...but here they are in China. Why are you in China then??
I think its still remnants of colonial mentality, whereby Brits somehow feel that even in China, everything should be British. But hey! this is China...loosen up.
Sit back and watch TV GREAT BRITAIN!!
I think you'll find British people to be unhappy with their lives in general. England sucks horribly.
U.K. has one of the worst governments in the world. Next-level domestic spying, even worse than what the NSA does. Not even China goes to such great lengths to spy on their own citizens.
Yet, here in Foreignerland, the U.S. and the U.K. think it's a good idea to spy on everything their citizens are doing... all the while condemning China for doing the same thing they're accusing them of... except China doesn't do that.
Hotwater:
You're right there...especially with the Tories being voted into power again :-(
itsameimamario:
in your opinion would it be a cultural "problem" at the root of England's disgust at other nations?
coineineagh:
hey, perhaps brits are a little bitter about their imperial heyday being in the past, and this stupid country China being the new empire by sheer population and no other achievement, and not developing any meaningful culture or value system. basically doing another Mongolian Horde fuckup?
Hulk:
Maybe. Or maybe people around the world are starting to realize we're not as free as our masters told us we were.
andyinshenyang:
You seem to be falling into the same trap as the extreme right in England do by assuming there is an 'English' culture! There is no one 'culture'. Trying to compare Scousers to those from the leafy London suburbs is just impossible!
There is a HUGE North/South-East split in England and the South-West, especially Cornwall, is different again being a part of the Celtic fringe. Even within these regions there are so many different sub-groups it's just impossible to define because of the influence (positive and negative) of immigrants through time.
Right, that's enough from me. I'm going to take the subway to work and have a moan about the pollution like the good dour Borderer that I am!
coineineagh:
celts and anglo-saxons and normans and irish have been living on the isles together for many centuries. that doesn't invalidate the fact that as a union of britons, they conquered the majority of the colonial world together. i don't understand the reasoning, that there should be only ONE imperial culture, to be able to claim they have a culture.
I put the answer here so Iwolf would would not get any more comments.
history was taught well and objectively in British classrooms. Have you been in a u.k classroom? I don't remember teachers saying the u.K was the greatest country in the world. I certainly never said. that. | do think that Britain in the 18th and 19th/ early 20th century was perhaps the most influential in that period. It has remained influential but less so. the 20th and 21st centuries are the USA's. perhaps the 22nd will be China's. There have been many great countries and civilizations.
I do agree that immigrants changed the face of the usa. Some of them helped make it better. However industrialization, the constitution the beginnings of the greatness of America occurred before the waves of immigration began in the 1880s then the 20th century. Americans at this time were just transplanted British. Most Americans now would freely admit this. America is simply what the U.K would have been had the u.k been of the same size. Again I think most americans would say this is so.
had it been the french or german who colonized the U.S would things have been different? Perhaps/perhaps not. Certainly not in the long run. Britain was the first country to industrialize and had mastery of the sea so the US developed faster than it might have. Americans added positive traits. Optimism being the most important. Largely it is just a continuation of North European culture.
I don't mind you not liking British people. Im quite happy not to like you back. But an assault on history to feed your own bias is an assault on intellect and deserved a response. As for inventions, in your second response to me you stated that the uK only has the trains and telephone. you think that is an accurate statement? as for who invented what, i believe you are trying unsuccessfully to revise history. For some inventions there will always be debate by people more inteeligent than yourself about who was key in producing them. for instance as you correctly pointed out the first person to synthesis caron fibre was the american roger bacon (more than one roger bacon). However who was the first person to realize their usefullness and how to mass manufacture them for vehicles? In my hometown, Helensburgh there is a plaque crediting john Logie Baird as the inventor of T.V and radar. However many other British contributed to radar. his mechanical T.V,, whilst producing the first generated images, does not resemble in any way the modern method of electronic transmission. farnsworth in most people's view invented TV. This is why it is never as black and white as you say. However Ill post this link again for those that care.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_inventions_and_discoveries
itsameimamario:
Americans were transplanted british in 1880? Despite not being british for over 100 years at this point and after absorbing the huge colonies of france and spain, you claim americans were british. Good job there buddy. I dont dislike british people, its english people. There is a difference. Vast difference. You pose the question "had france colonized america..." but it did.
This is the kind of downright stupidity i have come to expect from you.
The only person im trying to revise history for is you, you have been thought nothing but lies, I have proven it in all the links I have provided previously.
Do you even read what i write? Britain has invented loads of stuff, just not as many of the inventions that make the modern worldc as you have previously stated, you said "britain invented the modern world" to which i took an issue with
As regards to carbon fibre, you originaly said it was british, i said it was not, now you have changed your tune and are clutching at straws to try to keep your sense of pride in your country afloat
as regards to the tv, you said it was british, i proved you wrong .
Yes i did say britain has trains and the telephone, two very important inventions that constitue part of the modern world .
If im being technical i would say scots invented most of the british stuff while english people did a few.
itsameimamario:
You really are your avatar. "Years later a doctor would say im retarded" "loud noises" hahaha
dokken:
Umm pre 1880s, most americans were descended from British people, with some gemans scandavians and some chinese labourers and african-americans. It was not the melting pot of european immigrants that it became after.
Btw I'm Scottish and British. For me the two are no different. Some Scots disagree but the majority (gettting slimmer though) don't.
Also I've repeated this many times. The TV was an American invention. YOU said it was French. I was just explaining this to show your sloppy fact gathering.
itsameimamario:
Waaaaaaaaa! Mommy the bad man wont stop telling the truth. You right I did say the tv was french, i also corrected myself you english slave. You originaly said the tv was british not american. All Humans are descended from african, does that mean we are african? The original inhabitants of the u.s. colonies were british, they stoped being british after they beat seven shades of shit outta you guys. You also claimed france didnt colonise the americas..... now if you are representitive of scottish education then i have lost a lot of respect for your country. Stop glossing over the fact that for most of the inventions you claim are british are in fact not, i have proven this point to you many many times. Britain one but one contributor to the modern world, not the leading figure, one in a cast of many. Stop being so chinese about it and recognise the fact that "great" britain is a geographical term and nothing else.
dokken:
no i don t think i did say that since i knew about farnsworth already and you did not. if you look back at no point did i say tv was a uk invention despite JLB coming from my hometown
itsameimamario:
You said britain is the birthplace of modern civilization.....so it follows that you think all things modern are british. I am correcting your mistaken assumption. Do you understand? Can you connect the dots here? Another stellar example of your fine mind. how in gods name did you not know the french colonised the americas?
dokken:
A minor point, but one i shouldn't let you away with. I said the u.k was the birthplace of the modern world. Which it is. It industrialized far sooner than anyone else. Hence being the birthplace. You said "face it Great is just a geographical term." I don't accept that. I also think you are lying about the U.K having he most moaners. The moaners on this forum are from all the native english speaking countries. I think something is bothering you and making you a bit jealous and insecure. I notice you haven't voluteered your nationality. Was this because my earler speculations were right?
God bless the Queen. Go back to Turdistan
itsameimamario:
Seeing as we are nitpicking, what about you saying france didnt colonise america? Huh? Well, english slave? Wait, you actually think the great in great britian refers to anything other than geography....hahahahaha. your so chinese. your right I'm not a native speaker, nor from a "great" country, im not from a country that teaches lies to inflate egos about past abuses covered up, im certainly not a slave of another country. Your right, you havnt noticed me volunteer my nationality, how very astute of you, nor shall you. long Live you queen
dokken:
Um the Scottish King inherited the throne of England, eventually leading to an act of union. No slaves here. I would argue that you in fact were the slave. You had no choice to leave for another country to get a decent education.
itsameimamario:
What makes you think I had to leave anywhere to get an education? What about the erasmus program in europe? Is that so people can get a better education? Your colonial mindset is obvious at this stage. Still cant believe you thought britain was the only one to colonise the americas, fine example of exactly what I'm talking about. "Britain is the bestest at everything" i suppose thats what happens when you have chinese level indoctrination in schools, english slave
dokken:
Since you re too ashamed to say what your country is, I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say it's not a democracy. In a democracy it is hard to indoctrinate because you are free to get your information anywhere.
itsameimamario:
No, im a dirty communist, did you know democracy is greek? Did you know that the modern world stems from this country despite dokkens insistence that the modern world means nothing more than industrialization. If your information access is so great then how did you think france didnt colonize the americas?
dokken:
France did have colonies in the Americas. France certainly impacted how North America. Food for thought though. Britain's 13 colonies had the population of one million mid 18th century. France's had a population of 60 000. French speaking is limited to Quebec. I don't remember denying French involvement in North America. You re a strange one
ScotsAlan:
I had dinner in Westminster Palace one time (House of Parliment), and the Member of that house, who gave us a speach, told us about a meeting where the founding fathers of America discussed what was to to the official language of their new nation. English won, but German was a very close second. History would be totally different if they had voted German. I need to find a link to that story.
ScotsAlan:
Lol... I binged it. Its a myth Just goes to show.... all politicians tell lies. But my story above is pre internet days :)
No doubt, as far as I'm concerned. The Poms are the masters of the whinge. But that said, at least they are capable of an intelligent conversation...pessimism notwithstanding. (Especially vis a vie cricket....hahahahahha..)
You try to have an intelligent conversation with a Yank....you can't. They generally wouldn't even know if the Burke St tram was up their arse! But friendly?....yes they are.
I know for a fact that Greeks and Italians are real good goers and good company to boot.
Kiwis are the ducks guts. In fact, I wouldn't even mind if I was one!
So cobber...what is your point? Eh?
dokken:
You're not your. Christ these Chinese English teachers know this and you don't
I don't know, you'll have to ask yourself that question, we're not your Doctor.
@OP, I am curious, which utopia are you from? No country is perfect. Every country has good people, bad people and idiots. I believe that you can usually judge a person by the company they keep. You seem to hang around with some whingers who happen to be firstly british, then english(will it be narrowed down further later?). The fact that you don't have other friends seems to say a lot about you. I would like to point out that you come across as a little bitchy and sour. Did someone steal your girlfriend in the UK? Are you Chinese and take personal insult from the actions that happened more than 100 years? Why do you care? If you don't like those people then don't spend time with them. I liked your saying "Not to tar all British with the same brush". It reminds me of the line from anchorman 2 "No offense but you're a stupid asshole".
itsameimamario:
You can continue to be curious. I mistakenly use the term british and english interchangeably, i have corrected and explained myself in previous posts if you had bothered to read them, which clearly you did not. What makes you assume i 1) have english friends 2) have no other friends. My question clearly states im talking about english people i meet and or know. If i come across as bitchy its because im bitchy, if i come across as sour its because im sour, but its not my fault, i have been force fed a diet of communist propoganda for a long long time and i just see kindred spirits in british people due to the fact that neither of us can accept differing points of view and get angry when our countries honor is questioned, i then normally proced to correct peoples grammar after being shown that "just maybe, that its possible" for my country not to be the best
I know a Scott that is always comlaining about trivial BS. why did you change it?
I think your gay English boyfriend dumped you and your obviously very bitter about it. A great list of stereotypes here, that apply to about 1% of English folk.
Anyway...back to my tea (with milk)
I invented everything. No need for xiexie, just send royalty cheques to: iluvstrawberry.com
MrA is Scottish and complained constantly about China. I'm not sure you needed to change the question.
i have read the various comments in this tread and am confused by what the OP is trying to say:
1) complaining about English guys who complain.
2) then complaining himself by saying
"If i come across as bitchy its because im bitchy, if i come across as sour its because im sour, but its not my fault, i have been force fed a diet of communist propoganda for a long long time and i just see kindred spirits in british people due to the fact that neither of us can accept differing points of view and get angry when our countries honor is questioned......"
sounds like the OP is doing the same thing he accuses the English guys are doing, only doing it online like most of us here.
We all have BCD's and it is cathartic to express it, especially with people who have had a similar experience.
Likewise people share similar positive experiences - but maybe not so much.
Complaining is a form of social bonding, especially in a situation where there is constant frustration.
I'd meet some American or Aussie or British friends every week and we'd usually have a laugh with: "you'd never believe what happened this week....."
The exact same thing happens at home, so it is not exclusive to being in China.
Is this complaining?
"country's honour...." please this is not the 18th century where people took offense on the slightest pretext. Unless you are associating with drunks looking for a fight, i doubt these guys are really serious about so-called insults to the 'honour' of England, unless you made lewd suggestions to them about the Queen, which i know is crossing the line for otherwise reasonable guys.
You can be sure that drunk Chinese guys take offense more easily about 'Chinese honour', especially if they outnumber you 10 to 1 and you happen to be with a Chinese woman.
Vaya una discusión estupida... Si alguien no está comodo en China no tiene por qué permanecer en un país que no le ha llamado. Todo se resume a esto.
