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Q: Why doesnt China take some Syrian refugees?
Im just wondering because this is a Great Country, so far Germany and Sweden ...basically most of the " developed" countries have taken some refugees, even Philippines took her fair share. So why doesnt China take a few thousand at least? This is a serious humanitarian issue, many "great nations" are doing their best to help.
Bad experiences with Syrians. There's a Syrian orthodox church near where I live, so I'm dreading their inevitable arrival.
A Syrian orthodox tried to scam me while i was looking for an apartment. when i didn't go along with it, i was tailed to the train station, punched in the face, thrown over my bike, 93 euro bike repair. Police are slow to process my report of the incident. There's bloody camera evidence but it doesn't seem to matter.
Nothing like a Syrian to remind you that there's worse things than a Chinese with starving farmer mentality: A Syrian starving farmer type who can't keep his hands to himself.
"Oh, it's because I had to travel so far and my son was sick. I regret doing it." So, everything fine and dandy because he has an excuse?
I had no job, my kids are on the other side of the planet, I traveled 200km bike-in-train to come to your scam, and I could STILL refrain from punching your retarded Syrian face. Perhaps the fact that my kids rely on me to organize their immigration mattered too: You'd love to leech off social security you "hero", but I can't afford to be laying in hospital with a damaged knee.
They love Germany because 'mama Merkel' showed compassion to a young Syrian girl in tears. The same girl later said in an interview that her greatest wish is to see the Zionist state eradicated. These are a bunch of delusional Neonazi wannabes who are going to bring social development back by decades.
And they form gangs that threaten people at the drop of a hat. It's admirable that Germany wants to adhere to its humanitarian principles, but even ethical rules need to adapt to the situation, or characters like this will just exploit it like a gimmick.
Syria is like China, in that it blames outside forces for problems in its own country. Both governments are made up of regular nationals who govern according to the cultural mentality of the people. Their problems are almost entirely their own, but they go to other countries expecting that others have a moral obligation towards them. It's wrong.
Iron12:
And reports of ISIS sneaking in as refugees including examples of your own personal bad experiences with their lack of gratitude yes, this is a catastrophe...But still how can China choose to be indifferent at a time like this. If she wants to be recognized as the Great Nation then she should show more than red bills, if she cant tackle humanitarian crises with other giants then maybe she should cease her rhetoric, Power is not just about having more guns and more money.
expatlife26:
One thing I always try to be conscious of are people who demand others make sacrifices on moral grounds.
Yes, there is more than enough safety and security to go around in a place like germany that they can theoretically afford to take in all these refugees.
But the people living in places like the US acting like it's some kind of moral obligation for europe to do this have no skin in the game. They get to feel the moral superiority of posting about it on facebook without having the reality of trying to assimilate these refugees and dealing with assholes like you said.
kasuka91:
Why are you judging all Syrians based on your experience with a Syrian ORTHODOX? That's like me forming a view about Americans drawn from my experiences with a far right Teaparty member..
kasuka91:
Or better yet, some random Evangelical living in the Deep South
coineineagh:
To add the smalle details of the story: The downstairs neighbour was the Syrian/Aramaic christian who started it, letting me sign a declaration that I didn't want new paint or flooring done. The old tenant was a Syrian Kurd. This one was the one who wanted to get out of his cleanup duties, and had to be present to hand over the keys. The piece of filth landlord was a regular German with a Turkish family. He was the one who shoved a 20-page German contract in front of me, told me to sign quickly, and mentioned that the final price was 130/month more expensive just moments before. It was a pathetic buddy-buddy scammers' clique, and all I said at first is that I needed time to read the contract. The Syrian Kurd caught wind of the possibility that I would refuse, and exploded in threats: "I have to travel 150km to be here [75km round trip in his CAR]. You'll take the house or I'll kill you." In the Syrian Orthodox's defense, she kept him at bay long enough for met to get a head start towards the station. The Kurd tried to cut me off on the way, but couldn't avoid me reaching the train station. He paused for 2 minutes below the staircase of the station, but still came up to threaten and push me around after careful consideration. When the train arrived, he tried to prevent me from leaving, I raised my voice and struggled, he knocked my glasses off and gave me a black eye, then left. The Syrian Orthodox later called me to inform me I was the troublemaker, and she understood and approved of the Kurd's assault. Worst of all is that landlord guy, who went along with this shady key-transfer scam to saddle me, unemployed father of 2 young kids, with the costs of restoring an apartment. Under threat of violence.
dongbeiren:
That really sucks what happened to you. I hope that SOB who assaulted you gets thrown in prison. Did you attempt to press charges against him? As much as I wouldn't want a bunch of uneducated, unskilled people pouring into my country and overwhelming social services you can't judge Syrians or make an argument on immigration policy based on your one personal experience.
coineineagh:
As much as I wish to adhere to that principle, my personal experiences have been nothing but negative. Turks, Syrians, Kurds and Arabs all seem impossible to get along with, for me at least. I was quite open and receptive to people in the past, very interested in foreign cultures, and the Levant has an impressive history and cuisine. But all my interactions end negatively with them. Back when I was in school, I got assaulted by a scumbag named El Hadi, for trying to protect a friend he was threatening. I was 13 and had no fighting skill; I almost broke my thumb trying to punch him back. Maybe it's my polite demeanor, my soft voice and/or my thin neck. For some reason they perceive weakness and expect submissiveness, then it always backfires. They take offense, try to humiliate me, scam me, pick my pocket (many failed attempts by Turkish-looking gentlemen in Amsterdam), pick a fight, declare their superiority, threaten me, tail me and gang up on me. I'm sick to my back teeth of it. These desert rats should stay in a place where their behaviour is not disruptive. They have no place in a civilized country. In the past I had nothing against Turk or anyone else for that matter. I'm quite resilient and can shake these things off as singular events, and move on without judging their entire culture. But now I'm getting older, I have responsibilities and diminishing health. If a person shouts in clear German an Dutch "Leave me alone. I have two young children. Police!" - then it should be quite clear that he doesn't want to play anymore. Fuck them - they endanger my family. Let them return to their mess in their home country - I don't care what happens to them.
coineineagh:
Dutch/Scottish with some French ancestry. I have a big nose, if that matters.
I mean, they have a long history of staying out of other country's problems.
That, and they have a lot of poverty already.
I believe as they rise in influence as a world power, they should think about becoming more responsible and altruistic.
Bad experiences with Syrians. There's a Syrian orthodox church near where I live, so I'm dreading their inevitable arrival.
A Syrian orthodox tried to scam me while i was looking for an apartment. when i didn't go along with it, i was tailed to the train station, punched in the face, thrown over my bike, 93 euro bike repair. Police are slow to process my report of the incident. There's bloody camera evidence but it doesn't seem to matter.
Nothing like a Syrian to remind you that there's worse things than a Chinese with starving farmer mentality: A Syrian starving farmer type who can't keep his hands to himself.
"Oh, it's because I had to travel so far and my son was sick. I regret doing it." So, everything fine and dandy because he has an excuse?
I had no job, my kids are on the other side of the planet, I traveled 200km bike-in-train to come to your scam, and I could STILL refrain from punching your retarded Syrian face. Perhaps the fact that my kids rely on me to organize their immigration mattered too: You'd love to leech off social security you "hero", but I can't afford to be laying in hospital with a damaged knee.
They love Germany because 'mama Merkel' showed compassion to a young Syrian girl in tears. The same girl later said in an interview that her greatest wish is to see the Zionist state eradicated. These are a bunch of delusional Neonazi wannabes who are going to bring social development back by decades.
And they form gangs that threaten people at the drop of a hat. It's admirable that Germany wants to adhere to its humanitarian principles, but even ethical rules need to adapt to the situation, or characters like this will just exploit it like a gimmick.
Syria is like China, in that it blames outside forces for problems in its own country. Both governments are made up of regular nationals who govern according to the cultural mentality of the people. Their problems are almost entirely their own, but they go to other countries expecting that others have a moral obligation towards them. It's wrong.
Iron12:
And reports of ISIS sneaking in as refugees including examples of your own personal bad experiences with their lack of gratitude yes, this is a catastrophe...But still how can China choose to be indifferent at a time like this. If she wants to be recognized as the Great Nation then she should show more than red bills, if she cant tackle humanitarian crises with other giants then maybe she should cease her rhetoric, Power is not just about having more guns and more money.
expatlife26:
One thing I always try to be conscious of are people who demand others make sacrifices on moral grounds.
Yes, there is more than enough safety and security to go around in a place like germany that they can theoretically afford to take in all these refugees.
But the people living in places like the US acting like it's some kind of moral obligation for europe to do this have no skin in the game. They get to feel the moral superiority of posting about it on facebook without having the reality of trying to assimilate these refugees and dealing with assholes like you said.
kasuka91:
Why are you judging all Syrians based on your experience with a Syrian ORTHODOX? That's like me forming a view about Americans drawn from my experiences with a far right Teaparty member..
kasuka91:
Or better yet, some random Evangelical living in the Deep South
coineineagh:
To add the smalle details of the story: The downstairs neighbour was the Syrian/Aramaic christian who started it, letting me sign a declaration that I didn't want new paint or flooring done. The old tenant was a Syrian Kurd. This one was the one who wanted to get out of his cleanup duties, and had to be present to hand over the keys. The piece of filth landlord was a regular German with a Turkish family. He was the one who shoved a 20-page German contract in front of me, told me to sign quickly, and mentioned that the final price was 130/month more expensive just moments before. It was a pathetic buddy-buddy scammers' clique, and all I said at first is that I needed time to read the contract. The Syrian Kurd caught wind of the possibility that I would refuse, and exploded in threats: "I have to travel 150km to be here [75km round trip in his CAR]. You'll take the house or I'll kill you." In the Syrian Orthodox's defense, she kept him at bay long enough for met to get a head start towards the station. The Kurd tried to cut me off on the way, but couldn't avoid me reaching the train station. He paused for 2 minutes below the staircase of the station, but still came up to threaten and push me around after careful consideration. When the train arrived, he tried to prevent me from leaving, I raised my voice and struggled, he knocked my glasses off and gave me a black eye, then left. The Syrian Orthodox later called me to inform me I was the troublemaker, and she understood and approved of the Kurd's assault. Worst of all is that landlord guy, who went along with this shady key-transfer scam to saddle me, unemployed father of 2 young kids, with the costs of restoring an apartment. Under threat of violence.
dongbeiren:
That really sucks what happened to you. I hope that SOB who assaulted you gets thrown in prison. Did you attempt to press charges against him? As much as I wouldn't want a bunch of uneducated, unskilled people pouring into my country and overwhelming social services you can't judge Syrians or make an argument on immigration policy based on your one personal experience.
coineineagh:
As much as I wish to adhere to that principle, my personal experiences have been nothing but negative. Turks, Syrians, Kurds and Arabs all seem impossible to get along with, for me at least. I was quite open and receptive to people in the past, very interested in foreign cultures, and the Levant has an impressive history and cuisine. But all my interactions end negatively with them. Back when I was in school, I got assaulted by a scumbag named El Hadi, for trying to protect a friend he was threatening. I was 13 and had no fighting skill; I almost broke my thumb trying to punch him back. Maybe it's my polite demeanor, my soft voice and/or my thin neck. For some reason they perceive weakness and expect submissiveness, then it always backfires. They take offense, try to humiliate me, scam me, pick my pocket (many failed attempts by Turkish-looking gentlemen in Amsterdam), pick a fight, declare their superiority, threaten me, tail me and gang up on me. I'm sick to my back teeth of it. These desert rats should stay in a place where their behaviour is not disruptive. They have no place in a civilized country. In the past I had nothing against Turk or anyone else for that matter. I'm quite resilient and can shake these things off as singular events, and move on without judging their entire culture. But now I'm getting older, I have responsibilities and diminishing health. If a person shouts in clear German an Dutch "Leave me alone. I have two young children. Police!" - then it should be quite clear that he doesn't want to play anymore. Fuck them - they endanger my family. Let them return to their mess in their home country - I don't care what happens to them.
coineineagh:
Dutch/Scottish with some French ancestry. I have a big nose, if that matters.
If China took in refugees then they would have to provide free housing, free medical and social security payments to them whilst denying these things to most of their own people.
and judging by recent events in europe, they wouldn't be satisfied with China and refuse.
Yeah, go figure.....you are so desperate to escape persecution and death that you risk life and limb to get to a safe place then refuse to stay because Germany offers more social welfare benefits.
The harmonious social issues would be enormous not to mention the international loss of face when they don't want to come/stay in China.
really tried to avoid this..... but can't... ghost cities abound.. stick a hundred thousand refugees in there and let them build a prosperous city..... language no problem, they are together..(couple translators to help move the goods)........ same as that guy that offered to buy an island for them. good idea........... but China already has the infrastructure.... no brainer .. fill that ghost city and get them to work and prosper.
Iron12:
I think the ghost cities would come in handy for this kind of situation
Why should China take in problems they were not the cause of?
It won't be long now before the Europeans realise their feeling of guilt and bending over to be PC is going to be the end of European civilisation as we know it. But by then it will be too late. Strange though that not a single European or western country has spoken out against the genocide of white farmers in South Africa by blacks, and open racism and discrimination on whites by blacks.
icnif77:
The only connection is 'because China could fill ghost cities.....', but I agree with you.
IMO, China should be considered as 'why not?' only after USA and UK take in 80% of the refugees.
coineineagh:
China did veto UN military action. They aren't responsible in the strict sense, but actively made a bad situation worse, all because the CCP is adamant that foreign powers stay out of CCP's business. If the world starts punishing regimes for genocide and abuses, then they know they're next.
China shouldn't take refugees. China did nothing to provoke the situation in the middle east. There is enough poverty in China without importing more problems. The Syrians would have no hope of integrating into Chinese Han culture and there would be ghettoes of alienated Syrians which would just end in disaster. Maybe taking a few thousand in XJ might work much better than in Han eastern China, but that could cause serious future security concerns.
Maybe China should take in SOME Syrian refugees. A country's immigration policy should serve that country's own best interests. For example, a displaced Syrian IT engineer would be an attractive candidate as China needs people like that to power its economy and transition to more value added types of jobs. Maybe a certified Syrian teacher who can teach the Arabic language would be a good candidate too if there is a demand for such teachers in Chinese universities for international studies majors. Does China need a lot of unskilled laborers with nothing to add to the economy who will become a burden? There are more than enough Chinese who fit that description already.
China for the Chinese xenophobia. China is willing to tolerate waiguoren if they benefit the country (they need English teachers, for example, and it's not like most locals can compete with native speakers in terms of language level), but unless Chinese start wanting to go to Syria to study abroad, and need language lessons before they go (or any other country where Arabic is the official language), there's not much demand for Syrian labor.
Refugees likely won't be able to do anything that Chinese can't do cheaper, so no benefit to China. And of course, Syrians have a different culture, and look different
No one should take any of the refugees. The refugees should return to their homes and fix their country. They seem very brave when they are in their gangs threatening people, shame they aren't so brave with fighting ISIS.
ambivalentmace:
the smartest 2 countries in the world are china for not letting any more muslims in the country and helping the current ones leave and japan who will not even let a muslim have a travel visa to visit the country, everybody else can expect blown up buildings, train attacks, gun and shopping center attacks and live with the collateral damage to prove they have a tolerant advanced society. yeah, right.
ScotsAlan:
If we take America as an example, more people have died at the hands of white Christian terrorists since 9-11 than at the hands of Muslim terrorists. But the white Christian terrorists are labled as nutters while the Muslims are called religious fanatics. The Washington post done an article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/11/nine-facts-about-terrorism-in-the-united-states-since-911/ But lets not let facts get in the way of passion. Going by the actual data, we should be spending billions to eradicate the animal liberation front. But hey, facts don't win votes.
Lord_hanson:
Perhaps if we limit the data to one country we can make it look like Christians are more violent. If we use data from all the world it is obvious that in the last 10 years Muslims have been the main source of terrorist violence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis
It's not the first time in living memory that this debate has been had.
It's not the first time in history a specific religion has been blamed for the woes of the world.
No difference really between the refugees on the MS St Louis from the refugees of today.
No problem. Lets brush history under the carpet so we can all carry on in our little secure cultural enclaves.
Ha ha. Right wing Christians are shouting "NO... Don't let them in. They will bring death and destruction!!!"
So here is a thought, if you are religious. How do you know this is not a test from God? How do you know that God has not created this to test your humanity?
diverdude1:
First of all, there is no 'God'.
second of all, are you going 'OT' or 'NT' ?
I'm an OT guy myself, yes, I realise that is a bit self-contradictory after I just stated there is no 'God', but I actually look at the Christian Bible as more of a Moral Code than a fairy-tale regarding an imaginary being.
I was all 'Kumbaya, my friend, kumbaya' for most of my years and still wish that was the way of the world.
ScotsAlan:
My real point diverdude is that religious bigotry and racism is the cause of all this. On another thread I was lambasted for believing in secular government. I am agnostic myself, but I have had a "see the light" moment in my life. So I understand the power of religion. The world is going to shit really. Religion is given too much promenance. Governments needs to be free of religion. The Republican hustings going on in the US are a disgrace to humanity. Preaching hate and intolerance to win votes appeals to the ugly base of the ignorant. Too many people competing for their place in heaven. Justifying themselves as more worthy than others. Good Samaritans dismissed as left wing do-gooders by the people who will vote for Trump. Compassion being seen as a weakness. Empathy a fault. Strong strong sting being the only good. The very things we westerners say the Chinese lack is now being promoted as desired qualities in the west. Shameful. We bomb, we execute, we sell guns... Then we say its their problem not ours. Does China have clean hands? Of course not. They make the ak copies that are used in Syria.
diverdude1:
ok, I agree. I wish we would All back off and mind our own business. I really do believe in freedom to follow your religion, I just wish people (all) wouldn't try to force it on others.
every decent size American and Canadian. Australian city has it's own Little Italy, Little Greece, Chinatown, Little Armenia, Little Iraq and Little Iran.
I see no reason why China could not, or should not accept refugees.
A ghost city is perfect.... even if they put up a little border patrol, make it a prison sort of, if that is what they want. Some fields to grow rice, vegies and herd goats..... a little entrepreneurship will flourish, and the taxes will flow.
Besides, No GUNS ALLOWED
Wonder what is happening here ..2012 article
http://www.citylab.com/housing/2012/05/will-chinese-investors-build-chin...
ScotsAlan:
Spot on BHGAL. Just to add, people should be defined by their skills and abilities. Not by their country of origin.
