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"You rule by surveillance. You wouldn't be president without surveillance. You monitor everything, every citizen, but you refuse to monitor the diseased wet markets in your country.

"You shut down every newspaper and website that is critical of your rule, but not the stalls where bat soup is sold. You are not only monitoring your people, you are endangering them — and with them, the rest of the world.

"Surveillance is a denial of freedom. And a nation that is not free, is not creative. A nation that is not innovative, does not invent anything. This is why you have made your country the world champion in intellectual property theft.

"China enriches itself with the inventions of others, instead of inventing on its own. The reason China does not innovate and invent is that you don't let the young people in your country think freely. China's greatest export hit (that nobody wanted to have, but which has nevertheless gone around the world) is Corona....

"You have created an inscrutable, non-transparent China. Before Corona, China was known as a surveillance state. Now, China is known as a surveillance state that infected the world with a deadly disease. That is your political legacy.

"Your embassy tells me that I am not living up to the 'traditional friendship of our peoples.' I suppose you consider it a great 'friendship' when you now generously send masks around the world. This isn't friendship, I would call it imperialism hidden behind a smile — a Trojan Horse.

"You plan to strengthen China through a plague that you exported. You will not succeed. Corona will be your political end, sooner or later."

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After EU redacted original report on China 'cause of Chinese threats ... about not supplying essential medical equipment to EU unless report is redacted ... Bild came out with Chinese liability charge (in many billions US$) ... Chinese pressure resulted in above letter ... to Xi..

 'Zee Germans ..."

 

Here is the whole thing with original EU report on China from Politico, which was later changed under pressure of high EU officials ...

 

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-self-censors-chinas-global-int...

 

EU Self-Censors As China's Global Intimidation Campaign Grows 

 

 

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"Close, closer,  ... the ... Bang ..." 

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/us-government-report-concludes-wuhan-la...

 

A US government analysis leaked to the Washington Times concludes that the Wuhan Institute of Virology or the Chinese CDC is the "most likely" source of the COVID-19 pandemic which has killed over 200,000 people worldwide in roughly four months.

The document, compiled from open sources and not a finished product, says there is no smoking gun to blame the virus on either the Wuhan Institute of Virology or the Wuhan branch of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, both located in the city where the first outbreaks were reported. -Washington Times

 

Also, it's perhaps the world's easiest game of connect-the-dots;

 

 

 

Stored away and forgotten until January this year, the sample from the horseshoe bat contains the virus that causes Covid-19. -WSJ

  • *Peng Zhou, WIV's head of Bat Virus Infection and Immunization, was researching "the molecular mechanism that allows Ebola and SARS-associated coronaviruses to lie dormant for a long time without causing diseases," while a press release from his lab was titled "How bats carry viruses without getting sick."
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  • *Zhou's colleague, Shi Zhengli, has been involved in bioengineering bat coronaviruses - co-authoring a controversial 2015 paper which described the creation of a new virus by combining a coronavirus found in Chinese horseshoe bats with another that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice.
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  • *In 2015, Nature magazine expressed concern over Zhengli's experiments with bat coronavirus. The same year, the US government suspended funding to the lab  due to their concern over risks of experimenting with bat coronavirus.
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  • *Meanwhile, the US State Department warned over safety standards at the Wuhan lab in a series of cables beginning in 2015, according to the Washington Post's Josh Rogin.

What's more, while the Wuhan Institute of Virology is located around 20 miles from the wet market where roughly 40% of the original outbreaks occurred, China's CDC is located roughly 900 feet away as the bat flies.

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even russia knows this is crazy

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https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-aus...

 

Coronavirus Australia live coverage: Chinese ventilators can cause death

 

A large batch of ventilators bought from China could cause significant harm or kill if used in hospitals, according to a disturbing report.

 

A large batch of ventilators bought from China can cause significant harm and death if used in hospitals, according to a report.

NBC cited a letter in which British doctors say 250 ventilators purchased from China risk “significant patient harm, including death,” According to the report,  the ventilators have “a problematic oxygen supply, could not be cleaned properly, had an unfamiliar design and a confusing instruction manual, and were built for use in ambulances, not hospitals”.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rabo-how-we-get-unthinkable-10-handle-...

Rabobank: This Is How We Get To The "Unthinkable" 10-Handle In The Yuan 

 

 

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Meanwhile, the word “reparations” is actually being bandied about by some China hawks...?

No.  You do not need to be a "China Hawk" to want China to be held responsible for the virus they sent to the rest of the world.  

All one needs to know to implicate China in this massive crime is that the CCP:

1) arrested their whistle blowers,

2) told the world there was no human-to-human transmission,

3) sent their citizens to buy up all the PPE/masks from every Western Nation while saying their was no threat,

4) quarantined Wuhan from the rest of China while keeping the international flights going from Wuhan to the West,

5) and then prevented international experts in virology and infectious disease/epidemiology from conducting testing of bats and individuals, examining the case data.

Every death and hospitalization from COVID-19, every business on lockdown, every surgery that is postponed, every student unable to study or advance their educational degree, every citizen who can no longer travel freely abroad or domestically has a real and valid claim on a pound of Communist China's flesh. 

And when we get done with Communist China, there will be just skin and bones.

 

 

It looks like a plan, doesn't it?

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Oh no! Is that the smell of the sh1t hitting the proverbial fan?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-nsw...

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Shady days for laowai in China ...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinese-report-warns-potential-war-us-...

 

China Warns Of Possible Armed Conflict With US Over Coronavirus Backlash

 

Mon, 05/04/2020 - 09:35

 

An internal report presented to Chinese President Xi Jinping and other top leaders concludes that global anti-China sentiment is at a level not seen since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, and recommends preparing for a worst-case scenario of armed conflict with the United States, according to Reuters, citing people familiar with the content of the document.

 

 

The report, created by the China Institutes of Contemporary Internal Relations (CICIR) - which is affiliated with the Ministry of State Security - suggests that the wave of anti-China sentiment is led by the United States, which sees China's rise as a global superpower as a threat to Western democracies.

 

One of those with knowledge of the report said it was regarded by some in the Chinese intelligence community as China’s version of the “Novikov Telegram”, a 1946 dispatch by the Soviet ambassador to Washington, Nikolai Novikov, that stressed the dangers of U.S. economic and military ambition in the wake of World War Two.

Novikov’s missive was a response to U.S. diplomat George Kennan’s “Long Telegram” from Moscow that said the Soviet Union did not see the possibility for peaceful coexistence with the West, and that containment was the best long-term strategy. -Reuters

 

euters, which hasn't seen the paper, couldn't determine to what extent the report's grim outlook reflects positions held by China's state leaders, nor how much it might influence policy. That said, it suggests Beijing is taking the threat of global backlash over the coronavirus pandemic - which Western intelligence agencies suspect originated at a Wuhan biolab which was experimenting with bat coronavirus, and had previous concerns raised over the pandemic potential of such research.

China's early coverup of the outbreak - including silencing and/or disappearing whistleblowing doctors and journalists, lying about the transmissibility of the virus while hoarding personal protective equipment (PPE), quarantining Wuhan domestically while allowing international travel, and using the World Health Organization to run cover - has drawn global scorn as COVID has infected over 3.5 million and killed nearly 250,000 in five months.

Chinese officials had a “special responsibility” to inform their people and the world of the threat posed by the coronavirus “since they were the first to learn of it,” U.S. State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus said in response to questions from Reuters.

Without directly addressing the assessment made in the Chinese report, Ortagus added: “Beijing’s efforts to silence scientists, journalists, and citizens and spread disinformation exacerbated the dangers of this health crisis.” -Reuters

 

President Trump in recent days has been ratcheting up criticism of Beijing, while threatening new tariffs on China. His administration has been considering retaliatory measures over the outbreak, according to the report - which warns that anti-China sentiment could also threaten their Belt and Road infrastructure initiatives, and that Washington could take advantage by offering financial and military support for regional allies, which would in turn make the security situation in Asia more volatile.

 

On Monday, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said that President Trump is reviewing options to penalize China, adding that he expects Beijing to meet their obligations under the phase one trade deal.

"I have every reason to expect that they honor this agreement, and if they don’t, there would be very significant consequences in the relationship and in the global economy as to how people would do business with them," said Mnuchin.

As Reuters notes, China's Xi has shaped the country's military into a fighting force equipped to win modern wars - expanding air and naval capabilities and reach in a challenge to over 70 years of US dominance in Asia.

China's foreign ministry is now calling for peace and cooperation, saying "the sound and steady development of China-U.S. relations" are in the best interests of both countries and the international community, and that "any words or actions that engage in political manipulation or stigmatization under the pretext of the pandemic, including taking the opportunity to sow discord between countries, are not conducive to international cooperation against the pandemic."

Trump, meanwhile, announced that he will cut off funding for the World Health Organization (WHO) for being "very China-centric."

And while the world focuses on China's response to the virus, Australia - where two scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology conducted coronavirus experiments overseas - has called for an international investigation into the origins and spread of COVID-19, while the so-called 'five eyes' Western intelligence agencies explore whether coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan lab - while operating under the assumption that it's a non-modified virus of natural origin.

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Do you B-read China Daily?

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 China Daily Censors Opinion Article Written By EU Officials; Removes Any Mention Of China As Virus Origin

China demanded the removal of: "But the outbreak of the coronavirus in China..." 

 

  Do you remember ''pigs from China ...'' statement of the market analyst?

No, it was ''Chinese pigs ..."

 

BuzzFeed's Alberto Nardelli points out that the European Union failed to discuss edits, including the removal of references to the spread of COVID-19, in an op-ed jointly published by all 27 member states in a Chinese-owned newspaper. 

Some European officials did not find out about the secret edits Brussels made with the Chinese until after the opinion piece was published. One diplomat told BuzzFeed there was no discussion about the edits with Brussels, saying there was "irony of the incident happening just a few days after World Press Freedom Day on Sunday." 

Another diplomat said Brussels' decision to make the edit as per China's request is "weak," with another diplomat saying member states being shunned from knowing about the edits is "really bad." 

The piece was published in the China Daily Newspaper and after reviewing the same report but uploaded onto the EU embassy website, it becomes clear this could be the section China had removed: "But the outbreak of the coronavirus in China, and its subsequent spread to the rest of the world over the past three months."

China limiting freedom of speech, or better yet, attempting to control the global narrative about the virus, marks a dangerous period for the world. One where China continues to coverup the origins of the pandemic.

An EU spokesperson told BuzzFeed that the opinion piece was edited on the demands "of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs." 

"The EU Delegation decided nevertheless to proceed with the publication of the Op-Ed with considerable reluctance, as it considered it important to communicate very important messages on EU policy priorities, notably on climate change and sustainability, human rights, multilateralism and the global response to the coronavirus."

Norbert Rottgen, a Germany politician of the Christian Democratic Union, said he was shocked when he discovered the edits. 

"Firs the EU ambassadors generously adopt Chinese narratives, and then the EU representative on top accepts Chinese censorship of the joint op-ed.

"Speaking with one voice is important, but it has to reflect our shared European values and interests."

At the same time, China is locked in a heated debate with the Trump administration on the origins of the virus. President Trump claims the virus could have come from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. 

It becomes increasingly evident that the folks in Brussels are an embarrassment for the entire bloc as it bows down to China's demands. Europe is weak.

 

 

China will stand in the straight line after all is said and done! I love it ... MFs ...

 

 

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https://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/china-open-to-probing-covid-...

 

China open to probing COVID origins: envoy

China's ambassador to Berlin says Beijing is open to an independent investigation to determine the origins of the coronavirus pandemic sweeping the world.

 

China is open to an independent investigation to determine the origins of the coronavirus pandemic sweeping the world, its ambassador to Berlin has told a German magazine, amid US allegations that it came from a laboratory.

China has dismissed as groundless US and Australian questioning of how it had handled the pandemic, saying it had been open and transparent, despite growing scepticism about the accuracy of its official death toll.

"We are open to an international investigation," Wu Ken told Der Spiegel magazine on Friday in an interview. "We support the exchange of research among scientists.

"But we reject putting China in the dock without evidence, assuming its guilt and then trying to search for evidence through a so-called international investigation."

Australia has called for an international investigation into the origins and spread of the virus which emerged late last year in the central Chinese city of Wuhan.

US President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo say there is evidence of it coming from a Wuhan laboratory, without saying what the evidence is. A German intelligence report cast doubts on their accusation.

Some 3.86 million people have been reported to be infected around the world and almost 270,000 have died.

Responding to Australia's efforts to establish support for an international inquiry, France and Britain have said their focus is fighting the virus, not apportioning blame.

Trump has been fiercely critical of China and the World Health Organization and has withdrawn funding from the UN agency.

Many scientists and politicians say now is the time to increase, not cut, funding to the WHO so it can help to find a vaccine.

The WHO said on Friday that although a Wuhan market selling live animals likely played a significant role in the emergence of coronavirus, it does not recommend that such markets be shut down globally.

In a media briefing, WHO food safety and animal diseases expert Peter Ben Embarek said live animal markets were critical to providing food and livelihoods for millions of people globally. He said authorities should focus on improving them rather than outlawing them - even though they can sometimes spark epidemics in humans.

"Food safety in these environments is rather difficult and, therefore, it's not surprising that sometimes we also have these events happening within markets," Embarek said.

He said reducing the risk of disease transmission from animals to humans in these often overcrowded markets could be addressed in many cases by improving hygiene and food safety standards, including separating live animals from humans.

He added it was still unclear whether the Wuhan market was the source of the virus or merely played a role in spreading the disease further.

In a separate development in Beijing, China will resolutely prevent the rebound of the coronavirus outbreak as the country faces mounting pressure from imported cases, state television reported on Friday, quoting a top level meeting chaired by President Xi Jinping.

China will improve its capability in terms of responding to major public health emergencies, it said.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-asked-who-delay-pandemic-an...

 

China Asked WHO To Delay Pandemic Announcement, Deny Human-To-Human Transmission: German Intelligence

 

 

German intelligence has revealed that Chinese President Xi Jinping asked World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Thebreyesus to cover up the severity of the coronavirus pandemic in January, according to Der Spiegel.

During a January 21 conversation - one week after the WHO assured the world there was 'no clear evidence  of human-to-human transmission' - Xi reportedly asked Tedros not to reveal that the virus was in fact transmissible between humans, and to delay declaring that the coronavirus had become a pandemic - despite the virus qualifying as one by the WHO's own former guidelines.

And while the WHO announced on the 22nd that data collected through their own investigation "suggests that human-to-human transmission is taking place in Wuhan," which they said more analysis was required "to understand the full extent," they waited all the way until March 11 to declare the virus a pandemic.

It is now widely recognized that China’s political culture of secrecy helped to turn a local viral outbreak into the greatest global disaster of our time. Far from sounding the alarm when the new coronavirus was detected in Wuhan, the Communist Party of China (CPC) concealed the outbreak, allowing it to spread far and wide. Months later, China continues to sow doubt about the pandemic’s origins and withhold potentially life-saving data.

In mid-January, the body tweeted that investigations by Chinese authorities had found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the virus. Taiwan’s December 31 warning that such transmission was likely happening in Wuhan was ignored by the WHO, even though the information had been enough to convince the Taiwanese authorities – which may have better intelligence on China than anyone else – to institute preventive measures at home before any other country, including China.

The WHO’s persistent publicizing of China’s narrative lulled other countries into a dangerous complacency, delaying their responses by weeks. In fact, the WHO actively discouraged action. On January 10, with Wuhan gripped by the outbreak, the WHO said that it did “not recommend any specific health measures for travelers to and from Wuhan,” adding that “entry screening offers little benefit.” It also advised “against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China.”

Even after China’s most famous pulmonologist, Zhong Nanshan, confirmed human-to-human transmission on January 20, the WHO continued to undermine effective responses by downplaying the risks of asymptomatic transmission and discouraging widespread testing. Meanwhile, China was hoarding personal protective equipment – scaling back exports of Chinese-made PPE and other medical gear and importing the rest of the world’s supply. In the final week of January, the country imported 56 million respirators and masks, according to official data.

 

It's no secret that China engaged in a massive cover-up as the Wuhan coronavirus spiraled out of control. At the same time, the CCP allowed tens of thousands of people to travel for the Chinese Lunar New Year.

As the situation continues to evolve and narratives are shaped, take a close look and remember who's defending who.

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Coronavirus China: Leaked database could expose real COVID-19 numbers

A “treasure trove” of raw data said to be from 230 different Chinese cities has been leaked – and it tells a very damning story.

Is Beijing lying in its COVID-19 reporting? Controversy swarms around its draconian censorship of the pandemic.

But a massive new data leak may contain the keys to the truth.

US global affairs magazine Foreign Policy has obtained a treasure trove of raw data assembled by China’s military-run National University of Defense Technology.

It purports to be an assembly of data collected by various government sources spanning 230 cities. While not complete, it is by far the most comprehensive look at the raw data Beijing has been basing its reporting on.

“It can serve as a valuable trove of information for epidemiologists and public health experts around the globe — a dataset that Beijing has almost certainly not shared with US officials or doctors,” the Foreign Policy article states.

It’s not a complete dataset.

But it tracks some 640,000 COVID-19 cases across the country between early February and late April.

It records the map coordinates of hospitals, apartment blocks, hotels, supermarkets, restaurants, schools and places of worship. The number of cases linked to each location is listed. As are the numbers of those who had recovered, and those who had died.

Foreign Policy and co-publisher 100Reporters has not yet made the leaked database publicly available.

Instead, it says it is “exploring ways to make the data available for researchers studying the spread of the coronavirus”.

UNDER PRESSURE

As China was the first nation to experience a significant COVID-19 outbreak, it had an uphill task in organising the assembly of reliable data.

But, at the same time, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) had long since imposed stringent surveillance and data collection practices over its enormous population. Not to mention institutionalised censorship.

All these aspects immediately flagged fears as the world anxiously watched developments.

“Unlike in other countries, China’s outbreak peaked before rigorous testing methods were widely available, and the Communist Party often manipulates data for political purposes,” the article reads.

Documentation has since revealed Beijing kept news of the new coronavirus secret from its people and the world for six crucial days in January.

Since then, the CCP has continued to strictly limit the amount and type of pandemic information it releases. And some of that data has raised eyebrows.

First, the early numbers, in particular, appeared to track textbook projection charts unusually accurately.

Typically, many “outlier” figures fall outside the average range. But epidemiologists noted Beijing’s numbers were strangely … polished.

Then came the sudden revision of coronavirus deaths in April.

“Wuhan revised the number of coronavirus deaths from 2,579 to 3,869 — an increase of exactly 50 per cent,” Foreign Policy notes.

And 15-page international intelligence dossier given to The Daily Telegraph accuses Beijing of a massive cover-up.

“China deliberately suppressed or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak in an ‘assault on international transparency’ that cost tens of thousands of lives,” The Daily Telegraph reports the Five-Eyes alliance (Australia, Canada, the UK, US and New Zealand) dossier as concluding.

“It states that to the ‘endangerment of other countries’ the Chinese government covered-up news of the virus by silencing or ‘disappearing’ doctors who spoke out, destroying evidence of it in laboratories and refusing to provide live samples to international scientists who were working on a vaccine.”

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Australia’s experiencing a fierce backlash from China for demanding an international inquiry into the origins of the COVID-19 virus, and how it spread.

It’s standard practice. It’s been applied to the emergence of most pandemic threats in recent decades.

But now Beijing has gone so far as to mobilise Australian billionaires to push back at Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s proposal.

Foreign Minister Marise Payne warned against any further attempts at “economic coercion” – but China has since moved to put bans on Australian meat and barley producers.

Why is Beijing displaying such intense sensitivity?

“Possibly because of bureaucratic errors,” Foreign Policy notes.

“And possibly because Beijing fears that outside researchers will learn of its extensive cover-up, destroying the narrative that an authoritarian nation like China is better equipped to protect its people against a pandemic.”

It’s not a new observation.

“In essence, the party wants to make the best out of a terrible situation and spin the story in favour of the party by deflecting blame, sowing doubts on its culpability, whipping up nationalism, and highlighting the superiority of the Chinese party-state,” China Policy Centre director Adam Ni said earlier this year.

But the need to learn from the outbreak to prevent a repeat performance in the future trumps any need for political spin, says Australian think-tank chief Michael Fullilove.

“Australia is right to propose an impartial, independent inquiry, and in the long run, it is in China’s interests to be able to throw light on the origins and spread of the virus,” the Lowy Institute executive director says.

CENSORSHIP CONTAGION

The battle to control public perceptions about the COVID-19 pandemic is not limited to China.

In the United States, doctors who criticised the lack of medical equipment were sacked. In Russia, several mysteriously fell from hospital upper-floor windows.

Several large US health providers formally warned their staff that speaking to the media would result in immediate dismissal. And the political backlash against crucial experts such as immunologist Professor Anthony Fauci and health official Dr Deborah Birx has been brutal.

“The numbers are coming down very rapidly – all throughout the country, by the way,” President Donald Trump insisted yesterday.

But the numbers don’t appear to support him.

Coronavirus Task Force figures – which were not intended to be made public – instead revealed a significant surge in several major cities and rural regions. As the number of cases begins to come down in hot-spots such as New York, COVID-19 is continuing its march into the American heartland.

That’s prime Trump supporter territory. And the US Presidential election is scheduled for November.

 

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 Peer-Reviewed Study Rejects Pangolins As Intermediary Species For COVID-19

 

A prime suspect in the 'wet market' coronavirus origin theory was just given a pass, after a peer-reviewed study found that the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, could not have jumped from pangolins to humans.

 

Which leaves us with the following leading theories as to the origins of SARS-CoV-2.

 

 

1. A bat coronavirus with a never before seen pangolin-like RBM came from a wet market that didn't sell bats or pangolins, and now some other species is the intermediary - unless a pangolin is eventually found with SARS-CoV-2.

2. It was engineered at Fort Detrick, Maryland's USAMRIID and spread by the US army in a clandestine mission last October during a sporting event in Wuhan, China (a theory promoted by the CCP).

3. Scientists working with bat coronavirus, in the exact town it emerged from - who made headlines in 2015 for modifying bat coronaviruses specifically to infect humans (and were internationally admonished for it) - either created SARS-CoV-2 by splicing pangolin receptors onto RaTG13, or captured it in nature, and an employee accidentally infected herself before going shopping at the wet market during the virus's long asymptomatic period (and hasn't been heard from since).

 

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