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Q: Are whistle blowers "heroes" or "traitors" in America and China?

In China, whistle blowers seem to be heroes to the people and a "inconvenience" for the government. In America about 70% of Americans believe Bradley Manning was a hero and it should be George W. Bush behind bars for war crimes and not Bradley - for reporting them. Yet, despite what the citizens of America think, our government sent Bradley to prison for 35 years!  The real problem comes when people think that "patriotism" requires them to support their if government no matter of they are right or dead wrong in their actions. This how Hitler got so powerful in the 1930s and 1940s.  Now again, false patriotism is causing heroes like Manning, Snowden, and Assange to be persecuted instead of praised and nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.  What is your thinking about this twisted morality? Before you answer make sure you know what Manning really did - he reported the murder of 10 unarmed civilians including two Rueters news reporters by American troops in Iraq. See www.CollateralMurder.com for a video of the murder.

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anyone who blows my whistle is a hero !

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Depending on who a person blows the whistle on, they can be seen as either heroes or traitors. It depends on how well connected the person is, and how expedient it is to have the person removed from their position.

I would well believe that every high profile person (everywhere) is being watched and would have a information being held. It would be used as leverage depending on the circumstances.

now there's paranoia for you 

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"In China, whistle blowers seem to be heroes to the people" => That might explain the massive support Xu Zhiyong & co. received. Ho, wait, nobody moved one finger, and they are pretty much unknown to the whole country's population.

On a side note : there are other places than America (you mean USA or the whole continent ?) and China. Actually, the "rest" represents massively more people.

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Blow a whistle on America's unjust abuses (NSA spying) = hero.

Blow a whistle on what the U.S.  is doing worldwide and therefore hurting our agents, etc (Snowden) = traitor.

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China has won the war over its dissidence.

There's no whistle left to be blown, or rather the opposite, there are so many whistles that no one has the lungs to blow them.

 

Should they be blown, no one would move an inch, so long it doesn't hurt the majority's sacred right to consumerism.

Activist can feel free to go act abroad (I'd avoid Hong Kong these days though), no one cares, their voices won't make it through mainland filters. In that respect, China couldn't care less. Actually, I'm sure they like having activists abroad, they make nice anathemas  when leaders needs their people's feelings to be hurt for whatever agenda.

 

In the US it's another topic, but I'll say this : if you put me in a worlwide run, I'd find it easier to be China's enemy than America's.

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70%?
Show me a source for this made-up statistic.

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The Hulk makes a confusing comment.  He says that people who expose the NSA are heroes but then says Snowden is a traitor.  This does not make sense. I have read maybe 15 articles about Snowden's disclosures over the past 6 months and I never read anywhere nor heard anywhere that he exposed or put any american agent in danger. Do you have a link about this that I can read? Speaking of links did you all see this one: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2013/11/06/what_secret...

 

I think without Snowden we might all just still be deaf dumb and blind sheep that trust our government too much and never question them. I will never trust my government again especially after how they treated Snowden and Bradley Manning. Both of these guys are heroes to me as well as Assange.  We citizens can never get enough truth in my opinion. How could anyone think differently unless you work for a government?

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In my book they are all heroes.

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I agree that Liu Xiaobo and Ai Wei Wei and Bradley Manning, and Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden, and Chip Tatum are all heroes.  I would think this way no matter what my citizenship is. I think they should all be given sanctuary in the nation of their choice.

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I think a lot of people get nervous when you talk about this subject, especially if the whistleblower is shining a light on the wrongs of YOUR country.  But really, I have to agree with Cricket. A wrong is a wrong no matter who makes the wrong and the people that expose wrongs in an effort to make it right are heroes to me that I admire.

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I agree with the last poster above.  People who expose crimes take a lot of risks and do it for free to help all of us know the truth. The UN should set aside reward monies for these people

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There are so few heroes in this age.  You can never know the real truth.  A person can have his life threatened, or get mistreated, makes one desperate decision, and suddenly he's labeled a "hero".  The fact is I don't know why Snowden did what he did (and in my eyes, motive makes all the difference in the world).  That's not to say I'm not grateful for it.

    For those who criticize him for uncovering USA's foreign espionage, I say they should be pointing the finger at the perpetuator, the NSA.  They threatened everyone's security by spying on it's own citizens.  By playing Big Brother, they alienated even some of the people who were working for and with them - allies, employees, individual statesmen...  there is no way to separate the web they have woven.  Hulk likes to divide him into a hero and a traitor.  That's too simple-minded a thought.  The NSA (and by extension the whole US government) created this debacle and they should suffer the losses, even if it means agents in the field.  No less than what ground troops would suffer for a general's bonehead decision.

 

Heroism is overrated.  It is only lauded these days because so few people do the right thing for the right reason. If what Snowden did can be really considered heroism, then it is so to the highest degree. He would have sacrificed almost everything to satisfy principle and conscience. But then, again, who really knows?

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