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Q: Are you aware of the South China Sea controversy ?

I myself was not fully aware of the details of each claim, until the ;last few days that I did some research on it.  And I was extremely surprised of what I found.  Without taking sides, or adding fuel to the existing fire, please allow me to first show on a map what China claims to be its territorial waters, and their right to control navigation and resources present within the boundaries indicated by the blue line.  Please see map below :

 

 

 

Now that you have seen what China claims to be their legal right,  please see what the neighboring countries also are claiming indicated by lines of different colors.  Maybe after seeing these two maps you will realize who will win if this goes for arbitration on an international court of Law.

 

7 years 24 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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I'd like to make a sophisticated argument against, but really, the maps say it all, don't they? I understand that the Chinese claim is based on the Spratly islands' inclusion on ancient Chinese maps.

 

Imagine the fun cartographers would have have if ,"it's on our old maps, so we own it", became the accepted international standard! Scandinavia would expand considerably!

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The second map will not allow me to finish my question, so I will have to add this portion to the above.

 

What really intrigues me is how can China expect to sustain claiming well over the 3 miles International standard, especially in those areas where another country is just allowed about 3 to 5 miles off their own coastal areas.

 

I will be pleased to see a few good arguments from those in favor, and those against The Chinese claim, without getting into personalities, please.

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I'd like to make a sophisticated argument against, but really, the maps say it all, don't they? I understand that the Chinese claim is based on the Spratly islands' inclusion on ancient Chinese maps.

 

Imagine the fun cartographers would have have if ,"it's on our old maps, so we own it", became the accepted international standard! Scandinavia would expand considerably!

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Not only that, what if they also claim the places that Zheng He collected tribute from (as per Gavin Menzies' books).....

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Very interesting.  Wasn't aware of this conflict before this post.  Certainly appears that China is using a little more than soft power on this one.

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This is exactly why war is so popular with humans.  One group can say 'hey, this land is ours. come take it from us if you have the balls!'  Most often nothing happens,,,,, but sometimes.....  someone will show up and say,, 'intercourse u!  It's ours,  and just to prove my point I'll kill u , your population, and your women and children too.'  

It gives guys something to do,, when get bored w/ PSP and whatnot.....

 

war never gonna end.  humans at core are Not 'kumbaya' animals.

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You could of said the Chinese claim is penis shaped.

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Oh China: most expats in this forum, and others I do visit, are very open minded, reject government sponsored propaganda, and do read and research an issue before making up their minds or forming an opinion.  As a foreigner in China, I honestly do not care one bit who owns what on this or any other territorial dispute.

Many Chinese friends have asked me for an opinion, this is why I did a little research and tried hard to find information on the proposed arguments from both sides. Those two maps posted originally are quite an eye opener. Why one country has a right to claim 300 miles or so, while the neighboring country can not claim more than 3 miles ? Why the arguments started when discoveries were made of oil and gas, and not before?. Why China, in this particular case, will not take the case to arbitration as it has done on others, and insist on negotiating a solution with each country involved? Why can you claim to own a sea and an island based on the fact that one cartographer drew it on an old map ?

My only conclusion on this was that in my eyes, China does have a weak case, but being bigger and stronger, hopes to bully a few and end up with more than it actually deserves. And as a result, I also refuse to argue this point with Chinese nationals claiming that I have no knowledge, refusing to get involved in a fruitless dispute where emotions dominate facts.

As I said before, makes no difference to me who wins at the end. But sure hope no one looses his/her life over this, which is really a question with lots of money involved.

And another thought entered my mind. Next Spain will claim ownership of the American Continent showing charts made by seamen of Columbus and Vespucio.

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I am afraid, I will not get my RP next week, so I will not involve myself in discusion these days  , But Happy is right with spanish and portugues sailors.

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Ghengis Khan was there before

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In my opinion , leave politics to politicians , being a guest in china we need to stay nuetral , but stay informed. Political tensions between countries only hurts the innocent . Let the goverments sort things out peacefully. let people work without worrying about if they will be punished for being a different national in their country. 

keep informed , stay nuetral.

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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2161058/three-chinese-naval-tech-experts-drown-trying-save

 

You don't send nerd technicians for stupid shit like this, you send very fit well trained divers to do this job. I can't believe any military contractor government or private could be this stupid.

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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/2166565/chinese-destroyer-nearly-collided-uss-decatur-after-trying-drive

 

Stop avoiding the ships and get this war started, it's coming anyway, best to get it over with and pick up the pieces and move on. Stop being cowards and get it over with.

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