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Q: Are you guys hearing what is going on in Hong Kong ?

Big Big  protests for pro democratic elections in Hong Kong ' just wondering if the rest of China new about it

3 years 38 weeks ago in  Health & Safety - China

 
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I was advised to stay clear of Hong Kong with what is going on , and to limit my talk about it.

Tensions are high.

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I was advised to stay clear of Hong Kong with what is going on , and to limit my talk about it.

Tensions are high.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/03/us-hongkong-china-idUSKCN0HN03...

Hong Kong clashes break out away from Central protest site

(Reuters) - Violent scuffles broke out in one of Hong Kong's most famous and congested shopping districts on Friday, as hundreds of supporters of Chinese rule stormed tents and ripped down banners belonging to pro-democracy protesters, forcing many to retreat.

As night fell and news of the confrontation spread, more protesters headed for the gritty, bustling district of Mong Kok, considered one of the most crowded places on Earth, to reinforce.

But in Mong Kok, where notorious Triad criminal gangs operate bars, nightclubs and massage parlours in the high-rise apartment blocks packed together over neon lights and open-air markets, about 1,000 Beijing supporters clashed with about 100 protesters, spitting and throwing water bottles in a side-show to the main protest movement.

Police formed a human chain to separate the two groups amid the wail of sirens.

"We are all fed up and our lives are affected," said teacher Victor Ma, 42. "You don't hold Hong Kong citizens hostage because it's not going to work. That's why the crowd is very angry here."

 

No clashes with police, but different groups of HK residents against students.

 

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I'm now in the ROC and the protests are the talk of the young locals I'm hanging out with, one of them suggested that the mainland is east Germany and ROC is west Germany. They seem to know that the protests won't have an immediate effect but maybe are planting a seed, it is amazing to meet HuaRen from places such as ROC, Hong Kong, Macau, and the overseas Cantonese that I grew up with, after getting to know the mainland for some time. Overall very interesting and lovely people to be around IME. I hope they are able to create a fully blossomed motherland, as the nation has so much wasted potential.

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today, beijing paid off the triads and the old hard line communists that they have been immigrating to attack the students, 

i guess nobody has figured out that these youths, unless you relocate them or kill them will be running the place in 20 years when these old geezers die off and the distrust will only get worse and the resistance stronger, but hey lets think short term like we have for 5000 years, right. half the population is under 30 and just love the ccp, fairy tales are great for putting me to sleep at night.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/10/03/is-china-lo...

 

Taylor's blog on HK in WP. I c&p 1/2 of it in the comment to my reply above.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29489387

 

Hong Kong's leader has warned protesters that police will take "all actions necessary" to ensure government offices and schools reopen on Monday. 

In a televised speech on Saturday, CY Leung called on demonstrators to allow the government and citizens to "resume their normal work and life". 

His comments came after street fights led to the postponement of talks between protesters and the government.angelD Day on Monday. Students will get hurt, if no 'retreat'. Almost 1/2 of the city supports Leung….

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Not too many news on HK this morning around Internet. 

 

 

http://time.com/3471349/hong-kong-protesters-make-apparent-concessions/

 

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HONG KONG (AP) — In an apparent concession to authorities warning pro-democracy protesters to clear Hong Kong’s streets by the beginning of the work week, students occupying the area outside city government headquarters agreed Sunday to remove some barricades that have blocked the building’s entrance during the weeklong demonstrations.

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If HK stops what they are doing, starting tomorrow there won't be another tomorrow for the Democracy in this city, only the countdown until it vanished away. Then we will be so sorry for them but much more they will be crying for losing this unique opportunity to tell China to stay away from HK. China may have learnt a lesson and they will get ready to prevent HK from repeating what they did until today. Another pro democracy and occupying streets may not happen again...unfortunately. I just hope to be totally wrong. 

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I think sadly the Hong Kong protesters are more Chinese than I thought. It would appear that the protesters had not thought they would need to protest for more than a week, so many had not thought through what would happen when their employers expect them back . 

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Sad to say, but there's ever only been one way this protest had a snowball's chance of actually doing anything positive... a martyr. A real, bona fide martyr... shot down in public. (and, probably, more than just one).

 

BJ has no need to give in to any 'demands'. It doesn't respect its citizens, and doesn't care about what the rest of the world thinks too much. And it's only starting off 'nice' because there is international media, and a whole lot of international people living there - and of course, the money. If they went in all heavy-handed right from the beginning, they may have lost a lot of those businesses.

 

The only reason we even remember the protests in TMS is because BJ sent in the military, and because of the killings. If there were no killings, we (and HK) wouldn't remember it either!

 

So, if HK really wants its 'freedom', they need to seriously ask themselves what it's worth... what they really need is someone to stand up and publicly (on TV) say that they are willing to die for everyone else's freedom (and then do a sideways shaming... "It's ok, you can stay in your bed, or go to work - I'll die for you and your freedom... Just try to remember me when you have your elections in 3 years who it was who gave you your choices!")

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This is a nice read

 

http://file.wikileaks.org/file/crs/RS22787.pdf

 

This is the 'smoking gun' that BJ has in blaming the Americans on anything going on in HK right now. But this is 6 years old. Funding a democratic process is hardly the same as funding protests. Of course, it could be. But still, just fingerpointing.

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So the govt wants to talk now... I guess all that is needed is a bit of accusation of corruption and some police brutality. Should be easy to achieve similar basis for talks on the mainland. 

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Some 'retreat' here:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29672083

 

Hong Kong protests: Mong Kok camp retaken from police

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Ah. The uneducated masses become slightly less uneducated

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/23/chinese-tourists-are-ta...

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This is a good read for getting up to speed on what actually happened 

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2014/10/hong-kong-occ...

 

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/11/leading-hong-kong-independen...

 

Leading Hong Kong independence activist Edward Leung jailed

Hong Kong's leading independence activist was jailed for six years Monday for his involvement in some of the city's worst protest violence for decades.

Edward Leung was convicted in May of rioting during the 2016 running battles with police, when demonstrators hurled bricks torn up from pavements and set rubbish alight in the commercial district of Mong Kok.

Handing down his jail term, Judge Anthea Pang said Leung actively participated in the riots and described his actions as "wanton and vicious".

The 27-year-old was already in custody after pleading guilty in January to a separate charge of assaulting a police officer during the clashes.

He was sentenced to one year in jail on that count, with the two terms to be served concurrently.

The 2016 protest began as a seemingly innocuous rally to protect illegal hawkers from health inspectors but it quickly morphed into an outpouring of anger against authorities in Hong Kong and Beijing.

At the forefront of the clashes were young "localists", a term coined for radical groups promoting a split from mainland China which grew out of the failure of massive pro-democracy rallies in 2014 to win concessions from Beijing on political reform.

At the time, Leung was the head of localist group Hong Kong Indigenous and a rising star on the political scene as the fledgling independence movement gathered momentum, infuriating Beijing.

Pang said the protesters appeared to be "sincere, earnest but wrong-headed people" with strong convictions.

They "will stop at nothing to impose those views" on society, she said, which Hong Kong cannot tolerate as it poses "extremely great danger".

Two other protesters were sentenced alongside Leung to seven years and three and a half years in prison.

Chris Patten, Hong Kong's last colonial governor, slammed Leung's sentence, which was handed down under the public order ordinance.

He said "the vague definitions in the legislation are open to abuse and do not conform" with international standards.

"It is disappointing to see that the legislation is now being used politically to place extreme sentences on the pan-democrats and other activists," Patten said in a statement issued by Hong Kong Watch, an NGO that monitors the city's freedoms.

Veteran democracy advocate and lawyer Alan Leong criticised the court's judgement that political reasons could not be admitted as a mitigating factor.

"How can you say that Edward Leung's motives... not for personal selfish gain, just to pursue his ideals... don't matter? They must be relevant," Leong told AFP.

He added the jail term felt "way too heavy" especially when compared with the lesser sentences handed down during the 1967 anti-colonial riots which left 51 dead.

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