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Q: Can I use previously authenticated degree to apply for Z-visa?

I've been out of China since October 2019. Will get a new job starting early next year (assuming Z-visa restrictions are further lifted) and I've gotten a head start on the soul draining visa process by getting a new no criminal record authenticated. But what about my previously authenticated degree? It has an authentication stamp from Chinese consulate dated July 2019. Can I just use this for my next work permit process? Or do I have to go through the entire authentication process again (school registrar authentication - county clerk notarization -  state level Secretary of State authentication - federal level Secretary of State authentication)? My college is all the way on the other side of the country and I'm not keen on having to travel there as Covid is starting to pick up again in the US.

3 years 26 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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If you've been out of China longer than 3 months you need to get a new CBC (Criminal Background Check.)

icnif77:

I forgot to tell you, there are newly imposed pints deductions at prolong absence ... from e-China-Tities website ... 

3 years 25 weeks ago
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Quinn68:

Got the new CBC. Just hoping that my already once authenticated degree is still acceptable for new work visa.

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Stiggs:

You should probably just ask the people you'll be dealing with. Questions like this often get you different answers depending on who you ask and various people's experiences. Better just to go to the source and save yourself some time and aggravation I reckon.

3 years 25 weeks ago
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Quinn68:

@icnif77: Hope you mean "points" deduction. Haven't redeemed any points in last decade, so I don't mind losing a few. But please don't deduct my "pints" as I need tham to maintain my sanity here in the US. Too afraid to go to the bar to drink (Covid breeding grounds), so I need to imbibe my pints at home.

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Quinn68:

@Stiggs: Not dealing with anyone yet as most schools are still only hiring in country. Just doing as much as I can now so when I do secure a position the whole visa process will go smoothly and expeditiously. I suspect if I do ask my future employer, they will err on the side of caution and tell me to reauthenticate my degree.

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icnif77:

I was giving Ironman 'Welcome back' notice ... 

 

Points here are fake, so I call it 'pints'. There is nothing behind but Traditional Chinese fakery ... 

I'd say, don't ask (future employer) anything. Let them tell you ...

Visa process runs smoothly? I wouldn't count on it. It's always some ... you know what I am talking about ..but, good luck!

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Stiggs:

@ Quinn.. yeah you're right, the side of caution is probably the answer you'll get.

 

I wouldn't think you'd need to do it again, it's not like a criminal record that can change if you get in trouble but that being said, I don't think you'll get any absolute answer here, I doubt there even is one.

 

One thing I found with China and visas is the rules depend on a lot of different factors. The school's guanxi, how random officials choose to interpret the rules on any given day, political drama playing out at the time - tit for tat stuff and probably lots of other things we'd never hear about. Something I heard a lot when I was manager is (paraphrasing) 'they're being dicks and making things difficult at the moment'. Sadly, your nationality could well be a factor in this.

 

Hope it goes smoothly mate, jia you.

 

 

 

 

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If you've been out of China longer than 3 months you need to get a new CBC (Criminal Background Check.)

icnif77:

I forgot to tell you, there are newly imposed pints deductions at prolong absence ... from e-China-Tities website ... 

3 years 25 weeks ago
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Quinn68:

Got the new CBC. Just hoping that my already once authenticated degree is still acceptable for new work visa.

3 years 25 weeks ago
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Stiggs:

You should probably just ask the people you'll be dealing with. Questions like this often get you different answers depending on who you ask and various people's experiences. Better just to go to the source and save yourself some time and aggravation I reckon.

3 years 25 weeks ago
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Quinn68:

@icnif77: Hope you mean "points" deduction. Haven't redeemed any points in last decade, so I don't mind losing a few. But please don't deduct my "pints" as I need tham to maintain my sanity here in the US. Too afraid to go to the bar to drink (Covid breeding grounds), so I need to imbibe my pints at home.

3 years 25 weeks ago
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Quinn68:

@Stiggs: Not dealing with anyone yet as most schools are still only hiring in country. Just doing as much as I can now so when I do secure a position the whole visa process will go smoothly and expeditiously. I suspect if I do ask my future employer, they will err on the side of caution and tell me to reauthenticate my degree.

3 years 25 weeks ago
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icnif77:

I was giving Ironman 'Welcome back' notice ... 

 

Points here are fake, so I call it 'pints'. There is nothing behind but Traditional Chinese fakery ... 

I'd say, don't ask (future employer) anything. Let them tell you ...

Visa process runs smoothly? I wouldn't count on it. It's always some ... you know what I am talking about ..but, good luck!

3 years 25 weeks ago
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Stiggs:

@ Quinn.. yeah you're right, the side of caution is probably the answer you'll get.

 

I wouldn't think you'd need to do it again, it's not like a criminal record that can change if you get in trouble but that being said, I don't think you'll get any absolute answer here, I doubt there even is one.

 

One thing I found with China and visas is the rules depend on a lot of different factors. The school's guanxi, how random officials choose to interpret the rules on any given day, political drama playing out at the time - tit for tat stuff and probably lots of other things we'd never hear about. Something I heard a lot when I was manager is (paraphrasing) 'they're being dicks and making things difficult at the moment'. Sadly, your nationality could well be a factor in this.

 

Hope it goes smoothly mate, jia you.

 

 

 

 

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