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Q: Is China really going to become the biggest producer of wine in the world?

http://shanghaiist.com/2013/12/01/move_over_france_china_expected_to.php

 

Becoming the country that can provide cheap exports from cheap labor to a market that is unwilling to pay for it is one thing. But this is wine - even winos must have some kind of palate.

 

Not taking into account Yao Ming sky-high wine label, the biggest brand of wine in China is Great Wall. It's crap. A domestic market doesn't know this, and so they will order it to go with along with a meal made of many tastes and focuses.

 

But there's no way a foreign market would be interested in cheap wine at cheap prices. Could there?

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it is not unlikely, unless of course someone gets the thought of producing food on the land to feed the population, but hey, then the top-comrades wouldn't be able to covertly use embezzled money on extravagant wine. 

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We are more likely to become the biggest wine consumer I think.

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Of course there is a chance they could become the world's largest wine producer, however, you didn't say the world's largest producer of quality wines.

 

China does quantity very well, they can make millions even billions (ie. people) of anything.  Now, quality is another story altogether...

Red_Fox:

Quantify. Key word, here. Nice insight.

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Well, if the production is on the quality level of Great Wall wine... I don't know, it's worse than the cheap 5 euros 75cl bottles you can get in France. In Turpan, they got awesome grape, and the land/climate combo there is just perfect for this. But wine making takes more than grape.

Scandinavian:

but remember that 5€ bottle of wine costs at least 100RMB if sold in China, if they can match the quality of low quality wine from Europe, Americas or Australia, then there is a lot of profit for the Chinese wine makers to be made. 

I must admit even the more expensive Chinese wines, e.g. a couple of hundreds per bottle still doesn't beat a 5€ French/Spanish/Italian wine according to my tastebuds. 

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In my early days, I tried several China made wines, ranging from 20rmb up to 70-80. The best one was barely suitable to clean the floor with it.

In my province in Italy, from small local wineries,  I can get pretty good table wine for everyday use starting at 1,5 Euro/Liter, so even the cheap factor doesn't add value.

Like somebody pointed out, going from grapes to wine, require a bit of of knowledge.

To who said China will become the largest consumer of wine, it's very possible. Having people understanding what they drink, it's a complete different ball game though. Same to westerners drinking tea, it's just such a different cultural education........

 

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I'd be so happy if I could pick up a good drop of dry white for the right price.  In Australia that means paying between $10/15.  A real good drop costs up to $20.  You can pay more if you want to, but generally that's not necessary.

A cheapish bottle of Aust wine costs Y150/220 here and that equals a mark-up of about 10,000%, all things considered.

WHY!?

Chinese govt duties are the reason but is that the only reason?

Bring on the Free Trade Agreement I say.

 

 

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Real wine?  Fake wine? Imported blended red wine? 

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  Jesus, I hope not, I wouldn't use the stuff i've drunk here to clean out my drains. I knew a rich bar owner here once who tried to impress me by serving me a bottle of red wine in an ice bucket. 

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What about the dills who want to put ice in your beer when you ask for cold beer!

Gotta be worse than putting red on ice...

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Wine or grape flavoured anti-freeze?

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Lets hope not! they already produce EVERY thing!!!! And the best wines come from Switzerland, Spain and Italy. The mountains valleys and fresh air in those places make the wine so sweet and aromatic. How could China ever compare to such pristine places.  

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Why not?  China is already the largest producer of BAD wine in the world.  A little more of the bad stuff won't make much difference

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Biggest doesn't mean best. China has a reputation for producing bad wine, but actually some Chinese wine isn't bad, it's not great but it's not awful. If you buy a 20-100rmb bottle of Great Wall it's terrible but you pay a little more you get something better. But consider the price, back in the UK if you buy a £5 bottle of wine that's IS NOT on sale then it's not the best either.

 

I've heard of at least 1 vineyard in China that has hired an experienced foreign wine expert (sorry, forgot the term for winemaker) to make their wine a higher quality. There are many countries in the world that have been producing wine and China has an opportunity for success if they can't make something that is acceptable to the foreign tastes, Chinese are not experienced enough in wine to know what is good and not good, in the general wine-drinking population.

andy74rc:

As far as I know, apart a very limited area, UK is not a wine producer, so you can't compare the price/quality of the wine you can get there with the China one.

If we're going to compare, let's compare wine producing countries and China.

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Sorry Andy, I think you misunderstood. I was just comparing the cost, i.e. UK £5 compared with an equally priced 50rmb wine is about the same regards taste. The UK one of course would have come from maybe Peru/Chile.

 

China has some decent wine's if you are willing to spend a little more.

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