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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/15/americas/argentina-chinese-fishing-vessel/index.html
does this mean i can fish off the coast of china, since argentina now belongs to china?
i wonder who drew this map, some hemp smoker from western china that got lost on a boat along the silk road and made a wrong turn by the nile river.
tell us the real story china, we love a good story.
8 years 4 days ago in Transport & Travel - China
Argentina is a country with balls, I wish America would grew a pair when dealing with China.
Clearly they had no business being there. How can China justify fishing within the waters of a country on a completely different and distant continent.
Maybe they were using the same GPS system as the US were using when the USA bombed the MSF hospital in Afghanistan. Of course, maybe the fishermen did not have military grade location equipment. But their 50 buck budget did not result in the loss of life. Go figure.
ambivalentmace:
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/825318-china-just-weaponized-its-fishermen/
maybe they forgot to pick up their free military gps equipment.
ScotsAlan:
Well ambi. Now that Putin is Trumps best friend, there will be no more military secrets?
Englteachted:
The military was given those co ordinates by the Afghan military. And the Afghan military said the Taliban was launching attacks from that hospital.
America needs to leave them alone to fight themselves.
Lord_hanson:
How did a story about Agentina and China turn to a America bashing session?
ScotsAlan:
Nope.
It's an observation. A single Chinese owned boat is caught fishing in Argentinian waters and it becomes "ha ha look at stupid China". The implication being that China as a whole is at fault and it is somehow laying a claim to Argentina.
Yup, I know this is a light hearted question from Ambi, but the wording reinforces the thought process that China is bad, they want to take over the world. All point the finger and say " ha ha, we caught you".
The west bombs a building clearly marked as a hospital. "oops ...sorry".
To me, it seems that anything anything a Chinese person does, somehow comes back on China as a whole. We criticize China for illegal fishing while our own Governments are bombing and killing innocents.
It's like cowboys with white hats and black hats. We are conditioned from childhood that white hats are good, blacks hats bad. Lets all boo at the cowboys with black hats.
jetfire9000:
With all do respect, the margin for error in both of the examples is very different. It's pretty easy to look at a map and see that a country across the world isn't your own, whereas a pilot performing a bombing run has very very little room for error (or precision), and that isn't considering quality of intel, sudden urgency, or a gazillion other variables which could add to errors being made. It's ultimately easier to attribute the first case to some faulty judgment, while the latter in all its wrongness may still enjoy a defensible argument.
hi2u:
It was not just a single Chinese boat. There were others backing it up and they pulled up some of the fishermen who were sank. And the boat that got sank tried to ram the Argentine boat after receiving warning shots.
ScotsAlan:
Ok ok. You guys win. The comparison I made was wrong.
But I still maintain it's wrong to say the Government are behind everything.
Argentina is a country with balls, I wish America would grew a pair when dealing with China.
Clearly they had no business being there. How can China justify fishing within the waters of a country on a completely different and distant continent.
I agree with the Chinese government, an investigation must be carried out! Why were Chinese vessals in Argentinian waters? The head of their fishing department must control the fishing fleet or take responsibility for their actions.
Maybe its a fish story. maybe not. Seek a Magic 8 ball to find the real answer...
I am with Scot at this.
Just look at the map!
Do you really think that China will send two relatively small fishing boats across the globe to conquer Argentina?
Also with current satellite systems capable of identifying objects of daily use location with cms accuracy who would need to send spying fishing boat?
I am quite surprised how this turned to be 'China invades Argentina' topic ...
Sinobear:
So sorry guoxiong, you've already lost all credibility in the forum and sucking up to ScotsAlan, who suffers from acute liberal white-mans' guilt, will not endear you to the realists.
Janosik:
Oh my!
You really must be a smart guy!
Clear example that education and intelligence do not have to go hand in hand.
ambivalentmace:
this tread question was to show the hypocrisy of china and was pure sarcasm, the point was an american ship cant fish in the south china sea, vietnam fishing ship etc. and this is the backlash occurring to china for their actions. you reap what you sow,
china has an oil rig producing oil 100 miles off the coast of florida in an agreement with cuba and america is not screaming you dont belong here.
china has 9 percent of the land and 20 percent of the people in the world and a fleet of fishing boats about 2500 boats stealing fish from other parts of the world 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and nobody is raising hell about it, but they raise hell about any little inconvenience to their so called historical map rights. it is nothing but a laughing hypocritical joke to the rest of the world, an absolute fool with no shame, but then what else would we expect.
Janosik:
@Ambi
I do not think that anyone in China is saying that due to any historical map they have the right to fish in Argentinean waters.
These were two most probably, private ships who simply broke the law - that's it.
What it has in common with Cuban waters close to Florida? If these waters are Cuban and they invite Chinese to install their oil rigs so US can shout how much they want about China belonging there or not ...
The comparison does not fit because China is not saying to US that they do not belong here. They say to everyone that these waters are theirs.
I leave aside the fact if they are or they are not.
I just want to say that blaming two fishing boat in Argentinean waters on China conspiracy is a bit, hm, weird ...
ambivalentmace:
china does not want anybody fishing in the south china sea but them, even within 200 mile economic zone of the philippines which is 1200 km from the china mainland. so how far was the ship china had from argentina shores. if you dont see the hypocrisy of this, i cant help you, the map was a joke to refer to their illogical hypocrisy. if i try to fish 300 miles of the coast of china, i would have to be armed and ready to die but 300 miles of the shore of america, no problem for china, but by their logic, columbus took slaves in jamaica and made a map of the discovery, so americans should be able to fish all around jamaica and take their islands if they had any, and spain should be fishing around cuba and drilling oil instead of china, hell why stop there, lets give europe back to the roman empire, the italians are great leaders, soldiers and businessmen.
Sinobear:
And, following the guoxiong mold, you respond with passive-aggressive behavior.
Get a new m.o.
Janosik:
@Ambi
I know too little to get into the argument about South China sea islands.
But the reason why I replied your question is that it's a bit too much wishful thinking to connect two apparently stupid, or intentionally/unintentionally violating the law, shipping boats with China politics
the hits just keep coming, maybe they were not fishing boats after all.
I think China has grand intentions. Perhaps even sinister intentions, but that could be a matter of interpretation/opinion.
For example; I would see the commandeering of reefs in parts of the ocean that have disputed ownership, and the construction of artificial islands with the express purpose of building military bases as somewhat sinister.
Others might disagree but they would have to be Chinese.