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icnif77

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Q: Do you ever teach Chinese English students about ...'na-ge'?

... Chinese word 'na-ge' spoken in English speaking countries can be deemed as racist slur ...

https://news.yahoo.com/letters-editor-usc-professor-did-100035701.html

USC professor was removed from his post 'cause he used Chinese word 'na-ge', i.e. 'that' ...

I had always point that out to my Chinese chaps ...

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https://news.yahoo.com/usc-professor-used-chinese-word-193727391.html

USC Professor Who Used Chinese Word That Sounds Like English Slur ‘Not Dismissed Nor Suspended,’ Admin Says

After an online petition to “Re-instate USC Marshall Professor Greg Patton” collected more than 11,000 signatures and a group of more than 100 global alumni signed a letter criticizing the university’s treatment of Patton, dean Geoff Garrett sent an email to Marshall staff on Wednesday saying that he wanted to “offer some clarification about the situation,” because “some of the reporting about the situation has been inaccurate.”

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If that's a 'bad' word, ol' Richard Pryor is in a ton of merde'. What's the bad word for a white guy over there,,,,, Honky? Doesn't bother me....

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Considering that I do not speak Chinese, and that I am teaching English to my students, I doubt that it would ever come up in a classroom discussion.

icnif77:

I disagree-z ... 'cause English teacher prepares Chinese students to speak English ... in western countries. What else do you do as a Native English sneaker in the Chinese classroom?

During my work in China ''na-ge'' always came out from the students, especially at the interactive part ... students always used ''na-ge'' as a filler or 'time to think about .. the answer'.

At first, I didn't understand why do they always use ''na-ge'', but it sounded to me like a N-word in English.

Most of my students didn't plan to study in English speaking countries, but ''na-ge'' is bad sounded word when somebody speaks English.

After short lecture in US history, I pictured them an example as they would be purchasing a hamburger at McD in NYC and .. :

Ss: "Can I have one .. 'na-ge'.. cheeseburger, please?"

I told them, if the salesperson would be colored, they would have a lot of problems especially in the USA and UK by using filler ''na-ge''.

My demand from students was to stop using ''na-ge'' when they speak English.

I agree with the comments at the (first) article that non-Chinese pronounce "na-ge" different than native Chinese. It is a sound of the whole Chinese thing that non-Chinesers will certainly hear it as a 'dirty name' in English especially ones who have never been to China.

I pronounce first sound as "nie- ... ga" and you would only miss "hard -r" in the end of the N-word at my pronunciation of ''na-ge''.

At my classes it is also prohibited of using any of the English profanity words. The 2nd-time student uses profanity in English class it is 'get-out-of-the-class' order in place.

My chaps are all well aware of not using English profanity words in the classroom.

They were screaming English profanities only at the class breaks while they were walking in groups behind me through the school corridors .. Public Primary school in Xinjiang, in the city with the name Fuk-ang .., .

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...c&p from the 'Update link' (2nd link ..) above:

"... However, in an initial August 24 email, the dean had apologized for Patton’s use of a 'Chinese word that sounds very similar to a vile racial slur in English,' saying “understandably, this caused great pain and upset among students.'

It is simply unacceptable for faculty to use words in class that can marginalize, hurt and harm the psychological safety of our students,” he wrote. “We must and we will do better.”

He added that he was “deeply saddened by this disturbing episode that has caused such anguish and trauma.”

The dean’s initial apology was in response to the group of students alleging that Patton had purposely mispronounced the word and that the phrase should always be “identified as a phonetic homonym and a racial derogatory term, and should be carefully used.” ... "

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I disagree-z ... \'cause English teacher prepares Chinese students to speak English ... in western countries. What else do you do as a Native English sneaker in the Chinese classroom?During my work in China \'\'na-ge\'\' always came out from the students, especially at the interactive part ... students always used \'\'na-ge\'\' as a filler or \'time to think about .. the answer\'.At first, I didn\'t understand why do they always use \'\'na-ge\'\', but it sounded to me like a N-word in English.Most of my students didn\'t plan to study in English speaking countries, but \'\'na-ge\'\' is bad sounded word when somebody speaks English.After short lecture in US history, I pictured them an example as they would be purchasing a hamburger at McD in NYC and .. : Ss: "Can I have one .. \'na-ge\'.. cheeseburger, please?" I told them, if the salesperson would be colored, they would have a lot of problems especially in the USA and UK by using filler \'\'na-ge\'\'.My demand from students was to stop using \'\'na-ge\'\' when they speak English. I agree with the comments at the (first) article that non-Chinese pronounce "na-ge" different than native Chinese. It is a sound of the whole Chinese thing that non-Chinesers will certainly hear it as a \'dirty name\' in English especially ones who have never been to China.I pronounce first sound as "nie- ... ga" and you would only miss "hard -r" in the end of the N-word at my pronunciation of \'\'na-ge\'\'. At my classes it is also prohibited of using any of the English profanity words. The 2nd-time student uses profanity in English class it is \'get-out-of-the-class\' order in place. My chaps are all well aware of not using English profanity words in the classroom.  They were screaming English profanities only at the class breaks while they were walking in groups behind me through the school corridors .. Public Primary school in Xinjiang, in the city with the name Fuk-ang ..,  . add-it:...c&p from the \'Update link\' (2nd link ..) above: "... However, in an initial August 24 email, the dean had apologized for Patton’s use of a \'Chinese word that sounds very similar to a vile racial slur in English,\' saying “understandably, this caused great pain and upset among students.\'It is simply unacceptable for faculty to use words in class that can marginalize, hurt and harm the psychological safety of our students,” he wrote. “We must and we will do better.”He added that he was “deeply saddened by this disturbing episode that has caused such anguish and trauma.”The dean’s initial apology was in response to the group of students alleging that Patton had purposely mispronounced the word and that the phrase should always be “identified as a phonetic homonym and a racial derogatory term, and should be carefully used.” ... "  ... or-r-r-r .. ... "Did I tell you or waht ...?"

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