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Q: Does anybody know what to do and ever right about it?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2018/10/large-scale-wind-power-has-its-down-side/

 

We made a mistake, wind farms contribute to global warming, MY BAD

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To quote only two points...

 

 

"and, if such large-scale wind farms were built, would warm average surface temperatures over the continental U.S. by 0.24 degrees Celsius."

 

“Wind beats coal by any environmental measure, but that doesn’t mean that its impacts are negligible,”

 

So - how much of the coal temperature rise is reduced by changing to wind as they clearly state it beats it by an environmental measure?

 

Looks like we didn't make a mistake...wind IS still better than coal.

 

Move along - nothing to see here

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missing the point, in order to produce the total of energy of coal  of say 1000 kilowatts versus 1000 kilowatts from wind, the amount of wind farms for the same quantity would cause more damage than coal as a total number. the excessive land use would damage the environment with unintended consequences. Wind is like turning off your ac in the car to save a little fuel between fill ups. it's a supplement at best.

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That’s not what the articsl said. You’re twisting it’s words...

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i am trying to figure out the results, the article is an agenda driven diatribe, what is the real numbers, what is the bottom line. what are the consequences of wind farms of bird species, how much land is used that want be available for agriculture?

 

these geniuses of sustainable living never count in all the factors. global warming could be good for growing crops in what is now cold regions of the earth, what would be the net affect of a few more deserts and more cropland in canada and siberia, nobody knows because they never consider the big picture, but they are always right.

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To quote only two points...

 

 

"and, if such large-scale wind farms were built, would warm average surface temperatures over the continental U.S. by 0.24 degrees Celsius."

 

“Wind beats coal by any environmental measure, but that doesn’t mean that its impacts are negligible,”

 

So - how much of the coal temperature rise is reduced by changing to wind as they clearly state it beats it by an environmental measure?

 

Looks like we didn't make a mistake...wind IS still better than coal.

 

Move along - nothing to see here

ambivalentmace:

missing the point, in order to produce the total of energy of coal  of say 1000 kilowatts versus 1000 kilowatts from wind, the amount of wind farms for the same quantity would cause more damage than coal as a total number. the excessive land use would damage the environment with unintended consequences. Wind is like turning off your ac in the car to save a little fuel between fill ups. it's a supplement at best.

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i am trying to figure out the results, the article is an agenda driven diatribe, what is the real numbers, what is the bottom line. what are the consequences of wind farms of bird species, how much land is used that want be available for agriculture?

 

these geniuses of sustainable living never count in all the factors. global warming could be good for growing crops in what is now cold regions of the earth, what would be the net affect of a few more deserts and more cropland in canada and siberia, nobody knows because they never consider the big picture, but they are always right.

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Double post...bloody ridiculously buggy website!

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I wonder what goes on in people's heads when they post this stuff.

Transition to renewables has a downside, previously unforeseen requirements and pollution. But it's still leagues better than coal.

Then ambivalentmace, giddy at the prospect of renewable energy losing reputation, deliberately misinterprets what is being said, to come out and say it's a toss up between coal and wind farms. Unleash the moral equivalency dragon!

What's your beef? Did a noisy windmill cockblock your first date? Photobomb your magic moment? Do you own a coal mine? Have you been praying for the rapture, and are eager to get cracking with this Armageddon thingie? What on God's yellowed-green Earth is in it for you? How is this issue something that counts as a net win for your ego? Did a smartalec hipster rub you the wrong way? Does it make you feel better to know that he overlooked some projected difficulties with wind energy?

As far as this article, it seems like a specialist study designed to help governments assess future needs when planning a transition to renewables. The incomprehensible result, that these findings tickle your ass for some reason, is about as unforeseen as the reported setback in renewables.

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These smart ass elites are supposed to understand the unintended consequences of their actions and plan for this and tell us how stupid we are and it's nice to see them put down a notch or two from time to time.

 

Results are all I consider, whether its the right thing to do morally or economically is of no consequence if it does not work and you are wrong. These jerks that say we're sorry, we did not know, well, you were pretty confident when you finger pointing and shaming and telling us do this or the world is doomed, do this, or your a fool.

 

how many agendas never work, nobody knows, because our heart was in the right place or my favorite bullshit line "it was the right thing to do". show the results and be accountable for them. How about this, I give you half my money for global warming bullshit but if you are wrong, I get to kill you and your entire family for making me work for nothing.

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Renewable energy does work. Stop lying. The article is meant to be read, not glanced at and felt. Discussions are about interpreting result with rationality, not emoting. There's no scandalous exposition in the article, if you read it. Why don't you just link to the conservative newsblog that gave you these dramatic opinions, instead of linking to an article you obviously didn't read. BTW, if you kill my family, the cause of the problems remains unaddressed: Your lack of reasoning ability and self conTROLL.

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it's about the results, if you want to use renewable energy, be honest with the results. I recycle and do things that work, even donate computers to schools and orphanages instead of the trash can.

 

It's like the green energy nuts fawning over a Toyoto Prius, yes it's a great car, bought one for one of my xwives, but nobody mentioned that the pollution to make the batteries contributes more pollution and toxins in the air than a gas driven corolla for 150,000 miles of burning fossil fuels, so they make the problem worse. So I spend my hard money on an overpriced prius and the elites basically made me contribute more pollution into the air, So I took a shit on the earth because somebody who suppose to be smarter than me said it was the right thing to do. And people wonder why I am such a skeptic. Eventually, you stop listening, because they are usually wrong more often than right.

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