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Q: Does this settle the English teacher requirements question?

As I said in another thread I have been trying to nail down the definitive requirements for English teachers. I found this site to be useful.

 

http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/qualifications-teaching-english.htm

 

First the educational requirements:

 

The guidelines state that a "foreign educational expert," or teacher, "should hold a minimum of a bachelor's degree and more than two years of experience." The work experience does not necessarily have to be in the field of education, but can be in any area deemed appropriate or relevant by the prospective employer. As the SAFEA guideline uses the Chinese character for the word "should," instead of "must have" or "needs to have," there has been a great deal of "flexible" interpretation across provinces regarding the minimum educational requirement over the years.

 

Now to the more thorny issue of native or non native speaker, and as I suspected it appears to be down to interpretation. The following are excerpts from the guide linked above.

 

"Unfortunately, the limited role of the foreign English teacher in China as described above is—in effect—dictated by law. Article 6 of the 1992 Rules for the Administration of Employment of Foreigners in China states:

 

The post to be filled by the foreigner recruited by the employer shall be the post of special need, a post that cannot be filled by any domestic candidates for the time being but violates no government regulations.

Thus the presence of foreign English teachers in China can only be legally justified by educationally compartmentalizing the teaching of English into four distinct parts, i.e., reading, writing, listening, and speaking, and then assigning only the practice of listening and speaking skills by a native speaker to the foreign teacher, as this creates a post that cannot be filled by domestic candidates. Strictly speaking, any employer that hired a certified Western English teacher to teach English in an integrated manner across all four skill sets would be in violation of Chinese law."[my bold]

 

So the way I read that guide is that the degree requirement is 'advisory' not compulsory but IS widely enforced, and the 'native speaker' IS a legal requirement but NOT widely enforced.

 

Finally, personally I don't care whether an English teacher is a native speaker or not, that's between the teacher, the school the customers and the PSB. I don't even care about their qualifications as to me that's a different version of the same thing. I do think the regulations are wrong and more focus should be paid to teaching and English specific qualifications but that is another issue.

 

7 years 22 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - Other cities

 
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As I've stated numerous times, I've yet to finish my bachelor's degree (China delayed this siginificantly), but I was able to submit an associate's degree, and my TEFL certificate for consideration at the local PSB. Four people at the PSB approved it unanimously, noting the total lack of English teachers in this city.

 

What helped to seal the deal was my resume, which lists my work experience and skills in the IT field, plus my current degree progress (I'll finish the Bachelor's degree within a year or less). While the Bachelor's degree is strongly encouraged, it's obviously not required everywhere, hence my legit Z visa.

 

My school knows this. They're okay with it. The PSB knows it. Nobody is getting cheated here, especially not the students. I'm teaching pronunciation skills that most Chinese English speakers don't possess, and they've already begun speaking with the proper lip, tongue and mouth movements.

 

I know I'm not the best teacher out there, but I work my ass off. I believe that not only my employer deserves it, but so do the students and their parents. It's my job to make everyone happy.

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Cant this topic just die....?cool

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I will also add: it's legal to work on an X visa if it's approved by "competent members of the communist party." You can actually go to your respective schools and ask for permission to work, and your request can be forwarded to someone who is considered a competent member of the party.

 

Wish I knew about that sooner.

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Yea, wow, ummm, I'm sure we could joyfully discuss this for hours and reach some sort of consensus on certain laws and how strictly we believe they are enforced in various parts of this large country. 

 

You guys go ahead, I'll watch.

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I think it is a useful post to link back to in the future.

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Just as a side note: ANY person who does "side" work is, in fact, a person who is working in China illegally.

 

So all of those who are living in glass houses, put down the rocks and take a long look in the mirror before you start accusing others of doing what you are doing also.

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Wait a minute, where is Silva? 

Silva? Silva? I miss you.

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I don't know too many teachers who are not teaching privately.

 

Besides, who is really happy with a  salary of no more than 8k per month in most cases?

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Good post, Hugh.

 

The only problem I see with it is it's age.. it's a few years old... (last updated Nov 2010). Things may have changed a little since then.

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A little additional information, though things seem to change quickly in China:

 

echinacities.com/china-media/Feeling-the-Fist-Read-all-About-Chinas-New-Entry-Exit-Laws-for-Foreigners

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Your suggestions are practical,Hugh.G.Rection.

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As I have met several people here that are lawyers or High government judges the laws in this country are merely guidelines until somebody says you can't or a higher than thou person says "no way".  It's not our country and we need to understand that and obey the rules that are set forth to us as true ambassador's of our respective country's. 

As in our country's rule are bent to fill a need (hence the number of illegal immigrants working in America without visa, SSN, or paying taxes etc..

The day will come when they no longer require our services and the belt will tighten but until then it's their country, their rules, and their choice. not ours.

Hell just about anyone who is a native speaker and has raised children can teach oral English at elementary levels. We can't teach above our own intellectual levels, can we?  I'm sure they wouldn't ask me to teach physics or chemistry since I am just a dumb ole Robotics Engineer.  Get a grip on reality!  We are providing a service they want and will pay us for just like a housekeeper. If you can do a satisfactory job then you will stay because you are qualified, if not, then you will bounce like a rubber ball. Fact: You work for a paycheck, not for free or the greater good of the cause.

Yes, I do enjoy teaching and watching the progression, as much as anyone, and I feel great satisfaction from giving my best, but all in all I still know I am way underpaid by currency standards and that is my choice. 

Hell I can't even speak Mandarin well and I am considered a top teacher (that teaches teachers) because my students have to try their best to speak with me. It works. 

not here to step on any toes just making a point. My 2 cents worth.

 

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