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Q: With effect from Mar 28

Not exactly a question, but foreign nationals with valid visas/residence permits are temporarily suspended from entering China.

 

https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjbxw/t1761867.shtml

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Funny how Chinese with work permits/ visas were never denied entry into western countries but CCP called that racist

WangNan2020:

Technically it's probably better that way. If borders aren't shut down, the way they're quarantining every inbound passenger now, very soon the public resources will drain out.

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Wang, have a wumao. Technically, and objectively, particularly in the light of the recent whining, extensive victim card and race card playing and ubiquitous 'strong condemnation', it is nothing short of epic hypocrisy. That said, this is just one more example of a clown car out of control recently. The list of international embarrassments is getting to be quite a tome of late. And still China continues to double down on dumb sh1t.

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Noted thx. @sandnose

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Nobody in their right mind believes that the numbers produced by China are anywhere near fact... The death toll in first world countries is testament to the lies China keeps spouting to give it some form of credibility when it is the source of this disaster in the first place

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I disagree, the numbers are proof that filthy wet markets, poor hygiene and shitty hospitals can be overcome by hot water and correct political ideology.

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George....if you want to tow the party line ...fine...but don't expect the world to believe the Beijing bullshit...the truth is slowly coming out and china looses more face

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Good info.

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Funny how Chinese with work permits/ visas were never denied entry into western countries but CCP called that racist

WangNan2020:

Technically it's probably better that way. If borders aren't shut down, the way they're quarantining every inbound passenger now, very soon the public resources will drain out.

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Wang, have a wumao. Technically, and objectively, particularly in the light of the recent whining, extensive victim card and race card playing and ubiquitous 'strong condemnation', it is nothing short of epic hypocrisy. That said, this is just one more example of a clown car out of control recently. The list of international embarrassments is getting to be quite a tome of late. And still China continues to double down on dumb sh1t.

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Noted thx. @sandnose

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Nobody in their right mind believes that the numbers produced by China are anywhere near fact... The death toll in first world countries is testament to the lies China keeps spouting to give it some form of credibility when it is the source of this disaster in the first place

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I disagree, the numbers are proof that filthy wet markets, poor hygiene and shitty hospitals can be overcome by hot water and correct political ideology.

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George....if you want to tow the party line ...fine...but don't expect the world to believe the Beijing bullshit...the truth is slowly coming out and china looses more face

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It will create a shortage of foreign teachers in China for a while.

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Thanks!

BuTT ... ZeroHedge was first ... with announcing of this ... he he. 

 

In Stunning Show Of Hypocrisy, China Shuts All Borders To Foreigners Over Virus Fears

Have a bump ...

surprise

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The world would be better off it revitalizes there own manufacturing industries instead of buying from China.

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This will be a priority in the post-virus world. China's enthusiasm for leveraging supply and debt traps is well and truly out in the daylight now. The party is over for shameless exploitation ideology.

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philbravery:

The problem is everything will be forgotten in 6 months and the cycle will start again....people have short memories and are to selfish to change ...but are the first to bitch when it all falls down

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@sorrell Yeah like "made in China" are tried and effective products... probably made from Garlic and a bit of hot water in a plastic bag

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One more rejection, Dutch this time:

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/governors-order-police-stop-interrogate-new-yorkers-covid-19-cases-top-660k-globally

 

"In other news, Al Jazeera reported Sunday that Dutch officials had officially recalled tens of thousands of masks imported from China and distributed to hospitals battling the COVID-19 outbreak.

The masks, which were purchased at a time of intense international need, reportedly don't meet widely accepted international quality standards."

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Real humanitarians ...fucking liars ...China raided other countries medical supplies and now give a little back and call it aid.
You can't trust China to be a good global citizen.
Just a triad network.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-backed-company-s-mission-to-sour...

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Hi from UK:

 

https://news.yahoo.com/boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-075257081.html

 

REUTERS/Aly Song

*UK government officials say there'll be "reckoning" for China over its handling of the coronavirus.

*Boris Johnson's government is reportedly furious with the Chinese state.

*It has accused of China of spreading disinformation and lying about the number of cases it has.

*Scientists have reportedly warned Johnson that China could have up to 40 times more cases than it says.

*It could prompt the prime minister to abandon his deal with Chinese telecomms company, Huawei. 

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It has just been pointed out to me that Ecc has 2 sites...only people with a VPN can read my posts now....fucking sneaky Chinese again

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https://lawandborder.com/china-temporary-suspension-of-entry-by-foreign-...

 

Chodorow Immigration Law

China: Temporary Suspension of Entry by Foreign Nationals Holding Valid Visas

China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has announced:

Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People’s Republic of China National Immigration Administration Announcement on the Temporary Suspension of Entry by Foreign Nationals Holding Valid Chinese Visas or Residence Permits

March 26, 2020

In view of the rapid spread of COVID-19 across the world, China has decided to temporarily suspend the entry into China by foreign nationals holding visas or residence permits still valid to the time of this announcement, effective from 0 a.m., 28 march 2020. Entry by foreign nationals with APEC Business Travel Cards will be suspended as well. Policies including port visas, 24/72/144-hour visa-free transit policy, Hainan 30-day visa-free policy, 15-day visa-free policy specified for foreign cruise-group-tour through Shanghai Port, Guangdong 144-hour visa-free policy specified for foreign tour groups from Hong Kong or Macao SAR, and Guangxi 15-day visa-free policy specified for foreign tour groups of ASEAN countries will also be temporarily suspended. Entry with diplomatic, service, courtesy or C visas will not be affected. Foreign nationals coming to China for necessary economic, trade, scientific or technological activities or out of emergency humanitarian needs may apply for visas at Chinese embassies or consulates. Entry by foreign nationals with visas issued after this announcement will not be affected.

The suspension is a temporary measure that China is compelled to take in light of the outbreak situation and the practices of other countries. China will stay in close touch with all sides and properly handle personnel exchanges with the rest of the world under the special circumstances. The above-mentioned measures will be calibrated in light of the evolving situation and announced accordingly.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People’s Republic of China

National Immigration Administration

 

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Sandnose:

You're a bit cynical, aren't you. Everyone knows China invented altruism.

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oh boy when will we be able to enter china again?

icnif77:

" ... can't wait ..." 

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Yes,when? I left everything ,all my personal belongings,original documents,medication,just took 2 sets of clothes and ranout cos my employer made it seem like an emergency,that we exit China,together with my daughter we left,now stranded in a foreign country and cannot go home due to travel restrictions,we need to go back to China,we did not expect it to take so long,and i cannot find the medication i need here,so much for humanitarianism,China is our second home,we have residency,we love China but we dont like how they are treating foreigners,as teachers we do contribute to the Economy,pertaining to transforming their Education by providing quality education and training to Chinese children,why do we have to suffer due to the pandemic.so they should have left us to stay at our residence,however a month after that my contract was terminated by the school due to the pandemic.

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Sorry to say it but if you were living in a school provided apartment I doubt you'll see your possessions again, unless maybe you have a good relationship with your school and think they'd help you out by looking after your stuff for you.

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icnif77:

Sorry to say, but that's how you see your value for Chinese ... You will always be laowai doesn't matter what management and Chinese co-workers are telling you.

A year or two after my arrival to China (2010/11), I realized they don't care for me whatsoever. They abandoned me at first smaller trouble and I found myself in HK looking for the new job in China ... First time, it was screw-up by the management at RP transfer ... if I remember correct.

Then, I made a decision ' ... nothing will ever be for free for Chinese ...' and I was just looking everything I did in China through 'how much monies I'll accumulate ...'.

Looking back today ... I was right!

You don't mean to them much more than an Englishman, who'll provide lessons in English for their students. And Chinese all act in unison 'cause their leader is the wholly boss even if they think, leader is not right ...

Now, this Covid manure is/was 'force mejeure' in (western) law terms, what means in short everything must be restored once the epidemy is over. However, it's questionable how will Chinese interpret that and which Chinese Gov. agency will help you with that.

It use to be Foreign Expert Bureau, but now I don't really know to whom you could turn for help.

You are better off, if you think you are just disposable item for Chinese ...

Good luck!

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Sandnose:

It's just stuff. Don't give it another thought. You will get new stuff and have learned a valuable lesson. That may be cold comfort but it is what it is. Add oil.

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It really is ... just a stuff and you can always buy new one ...

 

I left Lucchese's boots in China at the exit in 2017 'cause no room in my luggage. I wore them some 30+ years and despite I got a replacement, I still fell pain when I think about old boots.

Sumtin' isn't just an item.

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sorrel:

whatever country you are in - contact your embassy and discuss this issue.

you may get nothing back, as the other posters have said, but they may help navigate options.

 

WARNING - harsh comment:

 

It is all very well posting on a forum like this, but the first port of call should be your consulate/embassy, especially if the helped you exit China.

 

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Stiggs:

I lost almost all of my stuff once, it fecking sucks.

 

Furniture, appliances etc I didn't care about but the music and books I'd spent a lifetime collecting, some photos and things and a waveski I loved - it still pisses me off when I think about it.

 

 

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So,what happens if my residence permit expires,in a month,and work permit,,how do i enter China again,to fetch my documents?
I need my documents and medication not so worried about material possessions,its been a bad experience and i gave up everything to go and teach in China.

icnif77:

One must exit China before RP expires ..., so you exited earlier. No big deal, except you should find new employer/Z visa sponsor and go through all Z aplication again and reenter China as soon Z visa will be granted.

I did that several times out of Hong Kong ...

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We were looking at an option to transfer our Z visa tio another school but everythings,on standby,schools cannot do anything unless you are in China?

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How can the Embassy help me???

sorrel:

have you not spoken to your embassy (or the Chinese embassy) where-ever you are now about this problem?

If your country removed you to another country that is not your own, surely you are in contact with them about with returning to your home country or back to China.

if you are in your home country, have you not been in contact with the Chinese embassy there?

 

this would be my first route, not random people on the internet.

What do you expect people here to do for you?

sort out this problem when you have not gone down the first obvious roads of enquiry?

 

you are asking a lot of visa related questions, therefore a Chinese embassy would have the clearest answers as to your legal options.

 

or have you been in contact with your employer?

What have they said?

i'm sorry, but this is basic stuff.

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But,the school has promised to keep my personal belongings safe until i come and get it,they are very good Chinese people,i think the situation was out of their control,they have been very good to me,the problem is being locked out of China,during this crisis.

Sandnose:

Are you Chinese? I notice they way you use punctuation. Anyway, your stuff will be looted through by the next person to come through the apartment. Anything good will be given to family members or used while they are there. Anything not immediately useful or that can be sold will the thrown away. I know it's difficult to accept but the sooner you face the reality the soon you can move on. Whether they are good people or not doesn't matter. They are not going to make an effort to pack and move your stuff. It just won't happen. There is no profit or advantage to them.

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sorrel:

experience has taught me that Chinese people are about as reliable as a alcoholic with the keys to a brewery.

 

Sandnose is right about their attitude to anything belonging to foreigners.

Even when i was present, sadly Chinese colleagues were not above going through my personal things (my bag).

Chinese colleagues even stole from me when i had naievely left my bag in a common office area when i first arrived, (that had been left in a locked room, accessible only to certain staff members.) 

try asking your school for pictures of your left-behind belongings - it is easy enough to come up with a plausible reason to ask for this.

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@Sand:  ... the Q: "How can Embassy help me?" ...

 

I would think, every western person knows what is the purpose of embassies abroad ... especially ones engaged in work in foreign countries.

 

... and Chinese who never went abroad would ...

Fok it, I can't tell you how I see through the Internet ...

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Sandnose:

The short answer is, your embassy cannot or will not help you. They exist to facilitate trade, promote their own careers and on occasion kiss the ring when your country has annoyed China in some way. Citizens of your country are an annoyance that can be ignored unless you have become involved in a political stoush that will be noticed by the media, otherwise your are SOL.

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Stiggs:

I would ask the school to send you your documents via courier, you might even be able to send an addressed, prepaid courier bag to them to make it easier for them.

 

Then, I'd look for work where you are now - maybe teaching online - while you wait for China to re-open the borders and figure out your next move.

 

You could also ask your school if your RP has been cancelled yet. If not, and if it's still valid when the borders re-open you could at least return to pick up your stuff.

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It hasnt been cancelled,thats an option,my school has been good to me,therefore i would like to return to China and continue teaching,by contributing to the Economy in providing quality teaching and learning towards Education,i love China,the students are well discipline and respectful.

sorrel:

so you are saying that your RP has not been cancelled?

Your comments are somewhat incoherent.

 

other than you being without your possessions, what is your problem?

have you taken basic steps with your employer to ensure that your posessions are safe, other than 'trusting' them that they are?

 

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