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Q: Is the expiration dates on drugs a scam for more profits?

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-myth-of-drug-expiration-dates

 

My wife always throws away medicines when we move by checking dates, but women can't be argued with, they are always right. She is completely wrong but rule number 1, the wife is always right. The price of consistent fornication is delusional reality.

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Throw your old tablets away.

 

I am fortunate in that I know a scientist who is employed by the words biggest drug company, outside of Columbia.

 

Her misfortune was that she married and divorced me in the late 90's. I was her bit of rough.

 

Her speciallity was the side effects of drug carriers on the liver and kidney of longtails ( R#ts) and Rhesus monkeys. She would chop up organs and test them for nasty stuff that should not be there.

 

She was paid well. And she was only looking for side effects of drug carriers at early stages of development.

 

It's the drug delivery that is the key. The drug itself, might be piggybacked onto an enzime that is in turn piggybacked onto a protein.

 

The protein goes from stomach to blood, separates, then the enzyme might pass from blood to liver, separates from the drug and the drug is delivered.

 

Each component might have a shelf life. And the self life may depend upon storage environment, manufacturing process, packaging integrity.... lots of things.

 

The process might cost 1 or 2 hundred million for a new drug.

 

Consider risk mitigation. No way will they put a new drug out with a 2 week shelf life... What pharmacist would stock it?   And would they take the chance, after investing hundreds of millions, to extend the sell by date beyond what they know is safe?

 

That would be stupid.

 

Dump your old pills. Listen to the scientists who invented them.

 

 

 

 

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scientists that work for pharmaceuticals are above reproach and have no financial angle involved. sorry i don't trust scientists, engineers and scientists for NASA yes, but not medicine, how many bad drugs have been recalled and taken off the market over the years. Its like killing a man for a crime he did not commit, how many so called legal experts made a mistake, when you recall a drug, how many scientists and chemists brought the drug to market and made a mistake.

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/26/rule-patients-must-finish-antibiotics-course-wrong-study-says

 

Something in the back of my mind says this is convenient for saving money on government health care at the expense of the patient if it's true, then doctors had over prescribed medicines for years, no,no, the elite bureaucrats and doctors are always right, this never happened, RIGHT.

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I still have my RAMAPRIL     blood pressure things...  issued  september 10, 2011, that they told me I would have to take forever.....    haven't had a pill in 6 years and BP is fine....maybe some day I will eat one of them, just for fun. had cholesterol ones too, have the empty bottle for reference...     and again....  you will need them forever...... fuck that.

 

I have also gone to the dumpsters at food chains to check them out before going inside. Vast amounts of meat and fruit and vegies came from these "EXPIRED" groceries. I am not dead yet.   and I am proud my dumpster diving, that I was taught by my homeless buddies.   never been homeless or destitute...  but I sure did enjoy their WINO  company from time to time.....  LIVE AND LEARN

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I still drink lots of beer, but I have next to zero stress in my daily life. could stress be an issue? who knows?

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wink beer has expiration dates also, i wonder about that now.

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http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2017/07/20/all-inclusive-resorts-mexico-suspected-drugging-tourists/490429001/

 

I can't go to Mexico to drink anymore, they have learned how to make fake alcohol, getting harder for an honest man to drink honest booze.

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you mean semi-honest

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Generally, pharmaceutical expiration dates refer to the peak efficacy of the drug, rather than a real 'Do not use' or 'Useless' state. Their efficacy reduction rate depends on a variety of medicinal and storage factors including Temperature, UV exposure, humidity, etc.  In an effort to minimize wastage the FDA is creating standard phraseology for food and pharmaceutical dating. 'Best if used by', 'Do not use after', as opposed to 'Expiration Date' naturally, the related industries prefer to maintain recurring revenue due to over concern by the consumers. 

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Yes... of course it's a scam to make more money! And, you fell for it!

 

However, - yes, these things do have an expiry date, after which time they may not only not be effective, but may actually do more harm than good!

 

But when that date is.... dunno!!! I would be unlikely to take drugs that are more than 3 years beyond expiry.

 

Also take into account that the packaging isnt' completely air- and water-proof, and so you're going to get your meds contaminated.

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did you read the article, some drugs were still good 30 years later, but nobody wants to spend the time and money to research the problem. I'm taking advil tablets i brought to China in 2010, hell, i should be dead. The worst is the vitamin supplements all say one year, i have calcium tablets that are 4 years old that i take everyday, my fish oil pills are damn, 8 years old from Costco. I guess I should order flowers for my funeral.

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The findings surprised both researchers: A dozen of the 14 compounds were still as potent as they were when they were manufactured, some at almost 100 percent of their labeled concentrations."

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"The drugs have to be kept secure and at the proper humidity and temperature so they don’t degrade."

 

Yes, I read it.

 

I also read the above line.

 

I also read the "12/14" bit. As Scots has posted, you may be fine with the active ingredients (or even just the carriers)... so, yes, 12 out of 14 may be fine and still operating at optimum efficiency... but the other 2 may kill you!

 

Generalising in general isn't a good idea! Generalising (and, misconstruing data) especially when it comes to medicines and health - is NOT a good idea!

 

 

Also - re-read  my first line!

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Throw your old tablets away.

 

I am fortunate in that I know a scientist who is employed by the words biggest drug company, outside of Columbia.

 

Her misfortune was that she married and divorced me in the late 90's. I was her bit of rough.

 

Her speciallity was the side effects of drug carriers on the liver and kidney of longtails ( R#ts) and Rhesus monkeys. She would chop up organs and test them for nasty stuff that should not be there.

 

She was paid well. And she was only looking for side effects of drug carriers at early stages of development.

 

It's the drug delivery that is the key. The drug itself, might be piggybacked onto an enzime that is in turn piggybacked onto a protein.

 

The protein goes from stomach to blood, separates, then the enzyme might pass from blood to liver, separates from the drug and the drug is delivered.

 

Each component might have a shelf life. And the self life may depend upon storage environment, manufacturing process, packaging integrity.... lots of things.

 

The process might cost 1 or 2 hundred million for a new drug.

 

Consider risk mitigation. No way will they put a new drug out with a 2 week shelf life... What pharmacist would stock it?   And would they take the chance, after investing hundreds of millions, to extend the sell by date beyond what they know is safe?

 

That would be stupid.

 

Dump your old pills. Listen to the scientists who invented them.

 

 

 

 

ambivalentmace:

scientists that work for pharmaceuticals are above reproach and have no financial angle involved. sorry i don't trust scientists, engineers and scientists for NASA yes, but not medicine, how many bad drugs have been recalled and taken off the market over the years. Its like killing a man for a crime he did not commit, how many so called legal experts made a mistake, when you recall a drug, how many scientists and chemists brought the drug to market and made a mistake.

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/26/rule-patients-must-finish-antibiotics-course-wrong-study-says

 

Something in the back of my mind says this is convenient for saving money on government health care at the expense of the patient if it's true, then doctors had over prescribed medicines for years, no,no, the elite bureaucrats and doctors are always right, this never happened, RIGHT.

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i wouldnt believe it to b scam.

safety of life is paramount. the authorities/mfrs need to b cautious n keep buffr time too.in case of an unfortunate tragedy, they r first to b sued.

drugs r not pickles. discard thm on expiry date.

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