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Q: Head Hunter Fraud - Is Michael Page legit or are we all CV Magnets?

I have been monitoring a certain executive head hunting company called Michael Page in Beijing for almost a year now along with three of my associates. We all have advanced degrees and two of us have Fortune 500 executive experience. What we have noticed is that this company advertises a lot of great jobs that apparently do no exist!  Why do I say this? Well all four of us have applied for specific jobs for which we are well-qualified by any standards. Yet when we get called in for interviews it is always some other inferior or "garbage job" we are offered.  The one we applied for was always "filled" and when you ask which company was advertising that job, they can never tell you.  This occurred six times in the last year just within our small group.  Then afterwards, each of us that turned down the inferior job offers started getting unsolicited calls from Antal HR consultants and private agents! (None of us ever sent resumes to Antal, nor contacted them in any way).  One of our friends who works at Antal recently admitted that they do in fact buy "old lists" from Michael Page and they in turn resell them to private agents if they do not get any “hits” within 3-6 months. My Antal friend basically confessed and says that all the large head hunters use this “CV Magnet” trick to get a large pool of candidates quickly. Now keep in mind that when we submit our resumes to Michael Page or any HR company, they claim it is in strict confidence. Obviously, based on our above experience, this is not the case. Let be realistic, in their eyes we are just cattle to be sold, and apparently traded. How to stop this abuse?

7 years 6 weeks ago in  Business & Jobs - China

 
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I had a similar experience but hey - this is China. Even if you could prove it, there ain't squat you can do about it amigo.  They will never admit it - always and forever deny it, and just keep on doing it.  After people find a job they forget all about it anyway.

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I had a similar experience but hey - this is China. Even if you could prove it, there ain't squat you can do about it amigo.  They will never admit it - always and forever deny it, and just keep on doing it.  After people find a job they forget all about it anyway.

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I doubt the usefulness of the Resume / CV anyway.

 

A good resume / CV should be targeted to the job you are applying for, a generic resume / CV is not really much use.

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I was just thinking that if enough people knew about this little game they play,  people would stop playing it. But I guess in China they  don't even have to put bait on their hooks. This is an employers market for sure and if anything the abuse will just get more sophisticated and harder to spot I think.

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Where are these 'Head Hunter' people based?

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Yep -  I heard the same stories over a year ago, but like Snoop Dog says, this is China where anything goes until someone dies.  Since nobody will die from Head Hunters, this scam will continue forever.  And as pogger pointed out - they are all pulling the same wool over our eyes so none of the are going to point their finger at a competitor and holler "Foul!"  I think all agents are whores any way, and this just reinforces my belief.

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OP, you need to choose your battles.

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I say we start up a poker club to play cards every Wednesday night, have a few drinks, and collect a few hundred bucks. Then we hire a golden glove heavyweight to visit the offices of this Michael Page and give him something to think about. If the crap continues, so would the visits. A lot of similar problems in China could also be fixed in the same fashion if you think about it.  Its amazing what great ideas develop at card games.

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Many head hunters have been accused of this scammy gimmick that seems to be S.O.P. in China.  We recommend that you call the agent assigned to the job opening and ask for a job description before submitting your resume and photo.  Also a good idea is to put this warning at the top of your emails:

 

"Submitted in strict accordance with the U.S. Privacy Act - No Third Party Disclosure nor Internet Publication Authorized"

 

Now if find your resume posted on line or floating around with agents you never communicated with, and you suspect Michael Page or another U.S. company to be involved, you can file formal complaints with and ask the U.S. Federal Trade Commission to investigate. When government inquiries reach the CEO or President, you can bet the abuse will stop. While this phony job scam may be annoying and aggravating it is not one that will cause you to lose money.

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Look for our weekly Scam Alerts at www.CityWeekend.cn and www.CleverChinaCheaters.com. Beware or be sorry!

 
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My daughter just visited with me last night and she told me she just last week went through the same crap described by the OP and she said that the person she met with at Michael Page even used a different name than  used on the phone and in the ad!  Why can't they use their real names???   I told her to file a complaint with the Ministry of Labor. What is with these people that they have to trick people to get them to come in and sign exclusive contracts?

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What a great scam!  I bet they get hundreds of resumes added to their database every week by doing this.  They'd get hammered back in California for this.  Where is Michael Page based?  Maybe someone can file a complaint in the country where they come from?

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Is this a real Michael Page operation or another Chinese company that just hi-jacked the name?

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Funny around 3 weeks ago, I was contacted by some agent who on the phone never broke for breath. She invited me to apply for the position with a company. The company who contacted, met with me after a few days, then took me to a different company which turned out to be Hewlett Packard. The position was for the company trainer to the  executives, managers and some 40 design team. The interview was terrible it lasted 2 hours and I thought I was applying for the position of the CEO  as it was so intense. Annoyingly I was being interviewed by an 19 year old secretary who thought her English was better then mine. I'm from the UK. Masters in Bio Medical Engineering, and Bsc in Psychology.  without accent with Spanish and French thrown in. She then invited me to attend a 1 .3 hour assessment course which offended me. Chinese assessing my level of English! However after the interview I was whisked away to some other place and location where they done everything, but jump through hoops to get me to sign a contract. It turned out I would be working for HP  for 1 year, but the contract was with another company who actually paid the salary. I refused to sign a contract. After some phone calls it turned out that HP were paying 300 rmb each hour but the head hunter were only paying 120, which raised to 140 , seems they were scamming the salary of 160 per hour. 800 rmb each day, 5 days a week not bad for doing nothing. I refused the position.  

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That sounds really fishy xingfu.  Maybe the agent was trying to collect to collect YOUR salary for you and then maybe giving a percentage of it instead of vice versa.  Were they connected with Michael Page?  You should share the agents name and number here so we can all give him a call!  And I still need to know if anyone out there knows if a real person by the name of Michael Page exists and where?

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I think I found your answer OP and Geezer...  They are another Chinese company using a Western name to look like a Western company.  They are based in Hong Kong according to their web site

 

http://www.michaelpage.com.hk/ContentArticle/page/7190.html and this article explains their bullshit scam pretty good...

 

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/expat-life/scam-alert-headhunter-fraud/

 

Strangely,  they have not even attempted to deny their fraud.

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This company claims to have 162 offices in 34 countries and according to this web site, most of them are in America and the U.K.  Maybe it is just the China operation that is scamming people?

 

http://www.michaelpage.co.uk/office-locator.html?disciplineId=516

 

This is quoted from their web site:

 

You now have even more offices to choose from! Here's why...


  • In only five years Michael Page Secretarial has become a market leader in the recruitment of professional secretarial and administrative staff in London.
  • London knows us as Michael Page Secretarial, but the world knows us by a different name.
  • Established in Europe in 1994 to recruit across a multi-disciplinary platform, 2007 saw the launch of our new brand, Page Personnel, in the UK.
  • Joining an international network of offices in Belgium, Brazil, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal and Germany, Page Personnel is now the fastest growing division of Michael Page International, with huge expansion plans for 2009 and onwards.

It doesn't take long for a Chinese operation to blacken and taint the name of a legitimate company!  This guy here is Steve Ingham, the CEO of Michael Page and I am sending him a link to this thread so he can respond to the games being played in China.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-1207068/Michael-Page-sees-signs-steadier-trading-despite-profit-slide.html

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This is a legitimate company that has been hijacked by some schemers in the Beijing office I think.  I can't imagine a company this large doing this fraud all around the world or there would be hundreds of posts right?  Maybe the Beijing operation needs to be avoided but we should not paint with such a wide brush so quickly.

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Just avoid agents and employment temp agencies altogether.   Reply on to the specific companies and do your own research and networking.    That will put a stop to all this nonsense real fast.

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 I guess my thumb down was from a Micheal Page employee.  Thumbs back down to you

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No matter. I can keep my post at the the top of the pile. Go away Wendy.

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I was just thinking why my experience with mPage in China was so bad.

 

After many months applying to positions (80%-100% requirements match) all I got was spammy rejection emails that make no sense.  

 

For example, one said I did not qualify because "I'm not living in China" and that I should "call for an interview when I get here" - I couldn't resist replying "but I'm here, same city as you" (true) to which obviously there was no response.

Other emails are actually rude and scold the applicant "we told you you had to be fluent in Mandarin!" (no, you didn't - also I do happen to be fluent).

 

Finally, rejection emails amidst, one of them contacts me out of the blue to ask me if I can apply to some "tax manager" position or "if not, if I can ask any of my friends to apply".

So that's how you handle a tax manager search? My resume doesn't even have the word "tax" anywhere in it.

 

Because of the above I conclude these people are seriously struggling with their English, failing to understand resume content, job descriptions (why are they in English anyway? who for?) and even the very rejection letters they spit out by the dozen. 装逼 English names nonetheless. . .

 

For comparison, I have been approached by headhunters of the other large recruitment companies with more or less down to earth proposals. . .

So something's going on here. . .

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