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Q: HK,,, wow,,, I mean what do we say?

say anything?  I guess a lot of us here don't really feel comfortable saying anything at all,,,,,, I'll just say 'wow,,,,,  w o w....

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hong-kong-protests-smash-legislature-build...

 

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How do you explain to your kids that you sold their freedom, prosperity and opportunity for the future before they ever become adults? How do you tell someone that life will get worse with more control instead of better but it's for your own good. Pissed off does not even begin to explain the feeling.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hong-kong-police-officier-shot-ar...

 

Violent Showdown Imminent As HK Police Besiege Student 'Rioters', Threaten Live Bullets  Sun, 11/17/2019 - 14:31 

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 The battle over student protester-occupied Polytechnic University grew more violent over the weekend and grabbed headlines Sunday after a police officer was wounded by an arrow and a riot control vehicle attempting to disperse what HK authorities have labelled 'rioters' was set aflame by dozens of Molotov cocktails. 

Chinese state media has now labeled the student protesters "terrorists" and has urged police to deploy live fire given the students themselves are in possession of deadly weapons. After a night of mayhem into the early hours of Monday (local time), it appears a violent showdown is imminent, as Reuters reports police now consider 'live fire' an option:

Hong Kong police threatened on Monday (Nov 18) to use live bullets if “rioters” used lethal weapons and committed other acts of violence, after the latest flare up during five months of anti-government protests in the Chinese ruled city.

The police statement followed fresh clashes outside a university in the center of Hong Kong where protesters were hunkered down behind makeshift shields and hurled petrol bombs at police in a standoff blocking a vital tunnel link.

 

It looks the situation inside the university and in the surrounding Hum Hom neighborhood is spiraling out of control, escalating by the hour.

 

A police officer was shot with an arrow Sunday.

At each, students raided sports equipment storehouses and could be seen setting up makeshift petrol bomb factories on sports fields.

Given the escalation in tactics, including deadly weapons such as bows and arrows, HK police have now designated the students occupying the university as "rioters".

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Last 100 'PolyU' Protesters Resist Hong Kong Police As Dozens Stage Daring EscapeTue, 11/19/2019 - 06:00

It's like something out of a movie.

After a three-day standoff, roughly 100 students remain trapped inside the campus of Hong Kong's Polytechnic University. For more than a day, police have had the  campus surrounded, and have warned protesters that there's only one way out - in handcuffs.

Despite a potential 10-year prison sentence (laws against rioting, which are being applied to the protesters, carry heavy penalties), some 600 students have already walked off campus into the waiting arms of police. Some surrendered because they were in ill-health after hypothermia set in. Of the 600 who left, 400 were above the age of 18 and were immediately arrested, while the 200 minors were stopped, then sent home. They could still face charges pending further investigation, the NYT reported.

 

The battle over PolyU, which raged all weekend, will be remembered as one of the more intense incidents since the start of the protests. Students hurled hundreds of petrol bombs at police, and police spent hundreds of cannisters of tear gas and thousands of rubber bullets.

Outside the campus, a group of parents continued their vigil, awaiting news from their children while holding up signs that read: "Son, come out safely!” and “Save the kids, don’t kill our children."

Elsewhere in Hong Kong, the city started to recover from a week of non-stop pro-democracy demonstrations. Some of the damage from those petrol bombs included burnt out cars.

 Meanwhile, in video that appears to have been taken late Monday, a group of demonstrators staged a daring getaway when they climbed down off a bridge using ropes and sped away on motorbikes.

Embedded video 30410:56 AM - Nov 19, 2019

   

 

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Snakes on a Plane!

ooops,,,  I meant...

Snakes in a Drain!

 

https://huffington-global.com/hong-kong-student-sees-snakes-as-campus-ho...

 

Hong Kong student sees snakes as campus holdouts risk sewer escapesNovember 20, 2019 Huffington News

Hong Kong student sees snakes as campus holdouts risk sewer escapes

HONG KONG (Reuters) – Some Hong Kong anti-government protesters trapped inside a Hong Kong university tried to flee through the sewers, where one student said she saw snakes, an escape route firemen ruled out on Wednesday by blocking the trapdoor into the system.

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

One beast I personally cannot deal with...  the sneaky Snake!

 

 

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Western-sponsored-protests Chinese mantra ...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/shackled-blindfolded-and-hooded-ex-h...

"Shackled, Blindfolded and Hooded:" Ex-Hong Kong Consulate Worker Tortured By Chinese Agents

Simon Cheng, a Hong Kong citizen who worked for the British Consulate-General Hong Kong, was arrested and tortured by Chinese agents for 15 days in August for his alleged involvement in supporting pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong, reported BBC News. Cheng told BBC he was "shackled, blindfolded, and hooded" and was beat into submission.

Chinese agents accused him of sparking political unrest in Hong Kong that has since led to the economic and social collapse of the city.

"They said I'm a state enemy and I'm a traitor, and also they asked whether the consulate instructed me to mingle with the protest", he told the BBC, adding that "They wanted to know what role the U.K. had in the Hong Kong protests – they asked what support, money, and equipment we were giving to the protesters.

 

"I told them I want to make it 100% clear, the U.K. didn't assign resources or help with the protests."

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab released a statement that his office, the British Consulate-General Hong Kong, was "shocked and appalled by the mistreatment" Cheng experienced during the 15-day detainment, which he was tortured. "I have made clear we expect the Chinese authorities to investigate and hold those responsible to account," Raab said.

Hong Kong lawmakers have said Cheng's arrest is a prime example of the abuse of the legal system in China and why Hong Kongers have been protesting over the last five months to prevent the city from passing an extradition bill to China. 

"Beijing is throwing down further signs of disrespect for the rule of law and taking a vindictive attitude toward Hong Kong citizens, particularly those with links to foreign countries," Willy Lam, an adjunct professor at the Chinese University of Hong Kong's Centre for China Studies, who spoke with Bloomberg. "This might resonate very badly, poison the atmosphere and prevent a peaceful and rational solution to the confrontation between the protesters and the SAR government."

Cheng said secret agents identified him as the "mastermind behind the protests," which allegations he rejected; agents also threatened him with long-term jail time, causing him to consider suicide.

Raab said, "I summoned the Chinese Ambassador to express our outrage at the brutal and disgraceful treatment of Cheng, in violation of China's international obligations."  

Cheng told BBC that it's too dangerous for him and his fiancee to return to Hong Kong or mainland China. He fears for his safety and is seeking a new life in the UK. surprise

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... Oppsy daisy ... angel

 

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US Relations With China Were Just Destroyed, And Nothing Will Ever Be The Same Again

Wed, 11/20/2019 - 15:35

 

 

Our relationship with China just went from bad to worse, and most Americans don’t even realize that we just witnessed one of the most critical foreign policy decisions of this century. The U.S. Senate just unanimously passed the “Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019”, and the Chinese are absolutely seething with anger. Violent protests have been rocking Hong Kong for months, and the Chinese have repeatedly accused the United States of being behind the protests. Whether that is true or not, the U.S. Senate has openly sided with the protesters by passing this bill, and there is no turning back now.

The protesters in Hong Kong have been waving American flags, singing our national anthem and they have made it exceedingly clear that they want independence from China. And all of us should certainly be able to understand why they would want that, because China is a deeply tyrannical regime. But to the Chinese government, this move by the U.S. Senate is essentially an assault on China itself. They are going to argue that the U.S. is inciting a revolution in Hong Kong, and after what the Senate has just done it will be very difficult to claim that is not true.

  

The Chinese take matters of internal security very seriously, and the status of Hong Kong is one of those issues that they are super sensitive about. China will never, ever compromise when it comes to Hong Kong, and if the U.S. keeps pushing this issue it could literally take us to the brink of a military conflict.

And you can forget about a comprehensive trade agreement ever happening. Even if a Democrat is elected in 2020, that Democrat is going to back what the Senate just did. That is why it was such a major deal that this bill passed by unanimous consent. It sent a message to the Chinese that Republicans and Democrats are united on this issue and that the next election is not going to change anything.

For a long time I have been warning that U.S. relations with China would greatly deteriorate, and this is the biggest blow that we have seen yet.

The U.S. and China are now enemies, and ultimately that is going to result in a tremendous amount of pain for the entire planet.

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Pro-democracy candidates are scoring overwhelming victories amid the city's first district council elections since anti-government protests erupted earlier this year, according to SCMP.

Lines at 7am for Hong Kong district elections (via @mnandita)

According to SCMP, 140 of the first 160 seats declared have gone to pro-democracy candidates. There are a total of 452 seats, of which nearly 69% remain undeclared as of this report.

  

The wins come amid a record number of Hong Kongers turning out to cast ballots, according to Bloomberg.

More than 2.94 million people, or roughly 71.2% of the financial hub’s electorate, had voted, according to Barnabas Fung, chairman of election affairs committee. The previous highest turnout was 1.47 million in 2015. Residents faced unusually long lines at polling stations across the city as they came out to vote in the election.

The vote unfolded peacefully despite concerns it could be delayed or disrupted by violence following unrest in the leadup. More than 6,000 complaints relating to the election were received, Fung said. Logistical issues including the long lines at the polling stations topped the list, he added. Results are expected early Monday. -Bloomberg

"There’s so many people it’s brought tears to my eyes," said Ng Siu-hong, who represents the city's Central and Western District. "It’s good for me but more importantly good for democracy."

 

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/caption-contest-hong-kongers-discover-unlikely-new-hero-fight-democracy

 

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He really pissed off BJ signing that bill into law!  for a while there I thought ol' China was gonna run around and tell all US citizens to pack-up and hit the road! I guess I was just being paranoid though,,,  haha

 

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The Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019 is a United States federal law that requires the U.S. government to impose sanctions against Chinese and Hong Kong officials responsible for human rights abuses in Hong Kong.

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Yeah I was expecting to see a big reaction there too, may still see one, who knows.

 

I think Beijing is biding their time, being rational, not making any knee- jerk reactions that could fuck things up but I very much doubt that they're just going to let it go. This is in the 'book of grievances that require revenge'. I wouldn't want to be an American (or any westerner really) with my life savings and family's future tied up in China because shit could easily get difficult for a lot of people.Tit for tat.

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This is a sort-of reply ...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hong-kong-police-may-use-wooden-bullets-protesters

 

Bj. can't do much to HK residents especially not to the foreign residents ... HK is the main mainland's trading hub ...

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@ icnif... yep, it must be a dilemma for Beijing. They can't handle it like they would if it was on the mainland, letting it continue must be hurting them too but it seems like whatever they do there will have huge consequences.

 

Given the volatile, no win situation they're in I'm actually quite impressed with the way Beijing is handling it. I thought there would be tanks and dead kids on the streets long ago but they've kept a cool head so far and haven't done anything really drastic.

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Protesters-will-eventually-get-old ... i.e. soft power.

What it sets me off is disregard for the promises given at the hand-over, Sino-British Joint Declaration ... and more.

I remember disregard for the signed contracts at Schools I was working in China. Pure scumbaggery!

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I kinda thought the tanks would roll in there too,, like during the first month,,  squash it before it grows type approach,,, I'm also impressed BJ hasn't done more,,, but I guess they figure who gives a fk...  it's HK, not Mainland...

77,,, I thought the kids would run out of steam early on too,,, but what is it now,, something like 6 months?  and yeah it quieted down a lot since the university got seiged (how do u spell that word?)  but that was a heck of an insight when authorities revealed the # of petrol bombs found,, what was it,, like 10,000?  would not suprise me if the Protestors make another huge, bold move like they did kicking this whole thing off, and by doing so the whole thing flares up bigger and brighter...  like storming some more Govt. offices, or the Stock Market places, or HKIA, well, some hi-profile target anyway... 

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'sie-' not 'sei-' ...-ged ... you Grammar nazi ... 

 

Yeah, kids in HK are unbelievable. What a stamina ... You would never think about that while on visa runs in the city.

I encountered 'politeness', 'no bumping into each other' (despite 2 humans per m2 in HK), teens behaviour same as young crowd in any western city. Even more polite than kids in our cities.

And now, this ... never ending riot. They deserve Nobel price .... for rioting! 

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Title on u-Tube 1h10' vid:

 

Hong Kong police deployed after protesters block roads, vandalize stores in Kowloon

Streamed live 3 hours ago 

 

Hong Kong protests took a violent turn in Whampoa, Hung Hom, a residential area in Kowloon after Hong Kong police arrived to disperse anti-government protesters with tear gas, who were blocking the road. Some protesters also vandalize a store in the neighbourhood. This comes after a huge crowd took to the streets on Sunday, some driven back by tear gas, to demand more democracy and an investigation into the use of force to crack down on the six-month-long anti-government demonstrations. Hong Kong’s protests have been relatively peaceful during the two weeks around the Nov. 24 election but could turn violent again if the government doesn’t bend to the demands.

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Hong Kong Plunges Into Post-Election Chaos; Pro-Democracy Protesters Thank Trump For Signing Bill

 

Sun, 12/01/2019 - 14:00

 

 

After nearly two weeks of relative calm in Hong Kong surrounding the pro-democracy camp's landslide victory in last week's elections, tens of thousands of protesters took to the streets in renewed anti-government demonstrations on Sunday.

 

 

As the day turned to evening, things rapidly devolved into all too familiar stand-offs with the police amid rioting and vandalism, resulting in the deployment of tear gas, rubber bullets and other crowd-control measures, according to SCMP.

And while the protests have been largely peaceful - with many families bringing children as they marched down the waterfront promenade, packs of radicals began hurling smoke bombs and bricks at police, smashing restaurants and shops in Whampoa, and vandalizing the local railway station. A gasoline bomb was thrown at a police van at one point.

Defiant demonstrators said the massive turnout for the Sunday procession – titled “Do not forget why we started” – demonstrated their determination not just to savour the electoral victory, but also to keep up the protests, which will enter their seventh month next week, until all their demands were met.

We want to let the younger protesters know that they are not alone,” said KC, a 35-year old man who joined the demonstration with his son, who is in Primary Six.

We cannot pretend and act as if everything is normal just because the pro-democracy camp has scored a victory in the district council elections.” -SCMP

Protesters have maintained five demands - the first one of which has been satisfied after Hong Kong leadership withdrew a controversial extradition bill that sparked the protests. The other demands have not been satisfied; an independent inquiry into police’s use of force, retracting the riot label for the events of June 12, amnesty for arrested protesters and implementation of universal suffrage (via SCMP).

At the Tsim Sha Tsui march, tensions soon flared when crowds deviated from the approved 1.2km route and flooded the streets.

Police raised the blue flag warning protesters they were taking part in an illegal assembly by doing so.

Rounds of tear gas and other projectiles, including pepper balls, were fired at the packed crowd, whose number included the elderly and young people. The crowd control measures were targeted at both ends of Salisbury Road shortly before 5pm. -SCMP

Meanwhile, hundreds of protesters marched to the US consulate waving American flags to show 'gratitude' for US support, after President Trump signed a Human Rights bill into law designed to show solidarity with the pro-democracy movement.

"The Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019 reaffirms and amends the U.S.-Hong Kong Policy Act of 1992, detailing U.S. policy toward Hong Kong and ordering an assessment of the political developments there, among other things," according to the WSJ

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A: Going to HK would be the best bet I reckon, especially if you were loo
A:Going to HK would be the best bet I reckon, especially if you were looking for a church wedding. Chinese weddings are pretty grim IMO - you go to a barren govt dept with souless officials and navigate red tape so some guy can give you a red stamp and a marriage book. You get expensive pictures taken of you both posing in places you'd never go to in everyday life that is somehow supposed to represent your wedding, then a while later it's off to a restaurant where a game show host kind of guy makes sure it's as tacky as possible while the guests eat as fast as they can so they can leave as soon as they finish eating and gave you money. Hell, I'd go to Thailand or the Philippines and get married in Paradise.   -- Stiggs