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Q: How can you rape someone in an airplane* bathroom?

2 years 16 weeks ago in  Transport & Travel - China

 
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There are not enough details in the linked Yahoo article to really understand what happened in that airline toilet cabin.  The woman alleges there was a sexual assault.  The man reportedly offered $5,000 to resolve the matter.  It is unlikely a truly innocent party would make an offer like that if there wasn't some factual basis for the assault allegation.  So it's quite likely something happened in that toilet cabin.

 

Depending on the specific laws in any given legal jurisdiction, "rape" generally happens when there is any manner of even the slightest penetration, whether by a finger, an object, or (as typically imagined) by a penis.  Without criminal charges being filed, or more details being offered by the parties, we can't assume much about what really happened.  The absence of details suggests there may have not been a noisy struggle or screams for help, but that doesn't negate that an assault took place.  Victims of assualts don't all respond or react in the same manner.  Also, there may have been a sexual assault without actual penetration, and using the word "rape" may have been misuse of the word or sloppy reporting.

 

The larger, more noteworthy themes are not what happened in this particular case, but what is becoming the new normal for social behavior, especially for sexually-tinged interactions between men and women, and what should airlines be doing to protect the safety of their passengers.

 

Many air travelers have made intimate use of airline toilet cabins for sexual pleasure.  Do an Internet search for Mile High Club if you have any doubts about this.  You will probably find an answer to your basic question about how something like this incident can occur on airlines.

 

Publicly joking about sexual assault doesn't fit with modern social norms or an enlightened, non-misogynist way of thinking.

 

How is this particular question and topic relevant to life in China?

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She probably only had modest breast size  ... I mean, there is not that much room ...

 

What is your (OP) opinion? 

Do you feel crowded as soon as you ... enter the plane's can?

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There are not enough details in the linked Yahoo article to really understand what happened in that airline toilet cabin.  The woman alleges there was a sexual assault.  The man reportedly offered $5,000 to resolve the matter.  It is unlikely a truly innocent party would make an offer like that if there wasn't some factual basis for the assault allegation.  So it's quite likely something happened in that toilet cabin.

 

Depending on the specific laws in any given legal jurisdiction, "rape" generally happens when there is any manner of even the slightest penetration, whether by a finger, an object, or (as typically imagined) by a penis.  Without criminal charges being filed, or more details being offered by the parties, we can't assume much about what really happened.  The absence of details suggests there may have not been a noisy struggle or screams for help, but that doesn't negate that an assault took place.  Victims of assualts don't all respond or react in the same manner.  Also, there may have been a sexual assault without actual penetration, and using the word "rape" may have been misuse of the word or sloppy reporting.

 

The larger, more noteworthy themes are not what happened in this particular case, but what is becoming the new normal for social behavior, especially for sexually-tinged interactions between men and women, and what should airlines be doing to protect the safety of their passengers.

 

Many air travelers have made intimate use of airline toilet cabins for sexual pleasure.  Do an Internet search for Mile High Club if you have any doubts about this.  You will probably find an answer to your basic question about how something like this incident can occur on airlines.

 

Publicly joking about sexual assault doesn't fit with modern social norms or an enlightened, non-misogynist way of thinking.

 

How is this particular question and topic relevant to life in China?

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Let me make this clear, imagine trying to force someone into the bathroom and then close the door behind. Wouldn't she scream out to the many passengers and staff on board? She could just put a hand out and prevent the door from closing. 

Having consensual sex in a confined space is very different from forcefully raping someone in a confined space. 

And here's the thing that really leads me to question the accusation, why focus on blaming the airline? Why not be pushing for justice against the attacker. 

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she is fibbing!  ain't got room to turn around in one of those absurd toilets.

 

My Bucket List #1 -  Full-Fledged Member of The Mile-High Club !

 

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Ted, you're right.  The airline offered the money, not the alleged offender.  But even though the airline characterized the offer as payment to get rid of a nuisance case, the offer tends to give legitimacy to the woman's claim of being assaulted.  An airline is potentially liable for harms like a bar owner might be for serving someone that is visibly over-intoxicated with alcohol.

 

Again, we don't know enough facts about what did or didn't happen to draw any serious conclusions about the assault.  We don't know the extent of the assault, whether there is any issue over prior consent, the size or location of the airline toilet cabin, whether the door was fully closed, and the physical characteristics of the man and woman involved.  There is too much we don't know from that Yahoo article to draw any significant conclusions about the actual facts of that incident.  Posting a question about the incident at Yahoo instead of here may yield better results.

 

The airline most likely knows the identity of the accused man.  It doesn't have an obligation to reveal the identity of its passengers to other passengers without further legal proceedings.  In all likelihood the woman will pursue claims against the man when his identity is ascertained.  But for now, the woman can also pursue claims against the airline for allegedly contributing to the injuries she sustained, provided that the woman can show the airline acted negligently or violated some legal rule.  Going after the man is not nearly as newsworthy as going after the airline, which is why we're even discussing this now.

 

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