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Q: How do you see Alibaba's growth?

First an interesting article on the subject http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1589639/alibaba-taps-chinese-dias...

Okay so Alibaba is getting ready for an IPO and shows global ambition going as far as taking over Amazon and eBay.

Personally, I don't think Alibaba's business model has anything to do with any of the latest. Technically, Alibaba is doing an unprecented thing which is cutting every single middle men between Chinese factories and the end client. Every middle men but one: itself. Honestly, in the age of Internet, one such player was bound to emerge, and it might have a future not over Amazon or eBay, but beside them, but only if it manages to get rid of its Chinese characteristics and the automatic case of distrust it can generate (sometimes wrongly). I'm not sure betting on the Chinese diaspora abroad will ever be a sufficient momentum for truly going global. This sounds like a lazy alternative to building a brand, but I might be wrong.

How do you see that?

5 years 30 weeks ago in  Business & Jobs - China

 
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I think they could make it big. I don't see why what they are doing now wouldn't work worldwide. But can they find product that people in the developed world would buy ? 

Not saying it is all crap, there is plenty of useful stuff to be found, but a lot of the products just doesn't cut it with western consumers, and maybe those who sit on a strong brand would not want to cut out the middle men (as it is often themselves) 

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  I'm not sure if using ethnical/nationalistic connections is the best way to gain customers confidence who are not of Chinese descent.

 

  Also, I might be naive, but I assume that national safety agencies outside of China might be more scrupulous about safety regulations and standards. I'm curious to see how it will go.

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I would rather see to grow a bit Alibaba father, Mr. Ma. he is too small, need some meat angel

 

 As for the company, I can not predict it. everything is going up and down during times, so it may grow some time, and than be overtaken by someone else ...

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Manipulation and insider trading.  Did you already forget the Yahoo swindle? I think NASDAQ should ban them on ethical grounds.

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Does it bother anyone else that this company is named after one of the most notorious thieves of all time?

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It is a good place that you can buy everything and it is good price too.

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5 years 28 weeks ago

Help foreigners to buy stuff from taobao,JD ,TMALL .my online store (sell out of China ) http://www.aliexpress.com/store/429399

 
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When I first saw Alibaba and Jack Ma, my first response was that I'm happier being middle class and not having a head and face like that...

 

Over-rated shite. I couldn't care less. Typical Chinese crony-klepto rubbish.

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'ALIBABA.CON' research from IRD, which doesn't blame Chinese that much.

If Co. wants to became an IPO on US Stocks Exchange, it must pass a 'million' regulations with SEC approval as conclusion.

At first, one shouldn't place too much monnies in BABA, and if you invest in it, it should be traded constantly IMO.

It's very difficult to determine, how BABA stock will perform in next 2Y.
IPO BABA is in similar position as FaceBook was in few years after IPO opening.

http://investmentresearchdynamics.com/alibaba-con/

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ALIBABA.CON

Against my better sensibilities, I finally took a peek at the Alibaba registration statement for its IPO. I can’t believe this thing was floated in the U.S. market. It’s now the poster child example of how corrupt and controlled by the bankers our entire system is. Any professional money managers/fund managers who bought this stock for anything more than a quick flip should be strung up from an oak tree by the neck for breach of fiduciary duty.

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The IPO raised $21.8 billion dollars and paid the bankers involved $300 million. This capital raise is essentially a blind pool which can used for anything. The prospectus says, “proceeds to be used for general corporate purposes.” Hmmm…just how well do the new owners of this stock know the founder and Executive Chairman? The “Risks” section was an astonishing 43 1/2 pages. The entire prospectus not including exhibits was 435 pages. There’s no way in hell any financial analyst anywhere has read it in its entirety. I doubt any one lawyer or accountant has either.

In the context that Chinese corporate accounting is notoriously corrupt, BABA had $8.4 billion in revenues in its Fiscal Year 2014, which ended on March 31. It reported $3.7 billion of net income. The stock market values BABA at 24x revenues and 61x net income. The company also has $8 billion in long term debt, something which has not been openly mentioned. It has no assets other than rapidly depreciating computer software and $6 billion of “intangibles.” Because of the way in which BABA is legally structured, the shareholders do not have any legal ownership claims on the subsidiaries that generate revenue.

It is completely inconceivable that the SEC would have approved this stock for issue in the U.S. market 20 years ago. That the SEC put it’s meaningless “It’s okay to sell this stock to retarded U.S. investors” stamp tells us the degree to which our financial and legal system has become engulfed by the corruption and criminality of Wall Street banks.

BABA is the kind stock market nuclear waste that boiler room penny stock operators like Stratton Oakmont would stuff down the throats of helpless senior citizens and greed-crazed morons. It’s not the kind of garbage that, historically, any large Wall Street investment bank would have touched with a ten-foot pole. Although I can understand JP Morgan and Citi having no qualms about to selling BABA to anyone who picks up the phone call from their broker at those two firms, the fact that Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse were willing to sell this sewage to the public (historically these 3 firms left the boiler room rot to the sleazy penny stock firms in Long Island, South Florida, Denver and Salt Lake City and focused on real crime) tells us just how unethical and corrupted Wall Street has become.

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Alibaba's business scale is definitely expanding.

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